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Berikath
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Posted - 2011.01.13 20:12:00 -
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 Originally by: HolyNerfBatman
Originally by: Bodessia
Originally by: HolyNerfBatman
Putting up buy orders and zeroing out the wallet so the when the buy order goes to get filled, it disappears is a bug. They are using this to scam people. Using bugs to gain an unfair advantage over other players is in fact, considered an exploit.
Please explain to me how anyone is supposed to know if a buy order is a legitimate buy order or an exploit buy order? Please explain how you can tell?
The only way to know is to do what you did. aNow you know it was fake.
And what about the next buy order? There is simply no way of knowing if the buy order is an exploit one or not unless you spend time moving stuff there, and try to sell it.
I am fine with a legitimate scam like a contract with Carbon instead of a Charon and linking it as a Charon. Simply because it is possible to look and see. By using this bug on buy orders, there is simply no way to know one way or another. If they guy wants to have no money when someone goes to fill his order, so be it, but it still should let me do the sale. He should have to pay towards the order when he gets the money to get the items. Not have the order bug and disappear.
It costs them a minimum of 4.25 mil to put up each order (and possibly as much as 18 mil). If you really are ****ed about it, just check every day or two for the order to be relisted and sell to it. They'll lose their ISK.
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Salome Musashi
Caldari
Aura of Darkness
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.16 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cerneus
Good thing is you have enough lockbreaker bombs for the next decade.
This. Positive attitude FTW!!!
This is not a new scam, CCP has known about it for years. It's my primary source of income now. Hugs and kisses for rich, greedy, gullible people in Jita! XOXOXO
P.S. Don't use T2 Rigs or Lockbreaker bombs.
P.P.S. There are counters to this scam, but also counters to the counters.
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Feilamya
Pain Elemental
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Posted - 2011.01.16 11:13:00 -
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Trading already is a no-brains activity. No need to criple it further because of some incompetent idiots who don't know the market prices.
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The Shylock
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:09:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Serra Polaris
Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Originally by: Serra Polaris
I'd be surprised if Margin Trading was designed with the idea of setting up fake buy orders in mind.
You know, I bet CCP didn't make Destroyers with cheap Exhumer suicide ganks in mind. We should probably take them out of the game too.
That wasn't my overall point. The point is only CCP can say whether something is "working as intended". If they have then please post your source. If CCP thinks it's working as intended then fine.
I think you missed his overall point... This game is not World of Warcraft, it's EVE online. It doesn't matter what CCP intends, it's a sandbox and the sand is yours to do with as you please. As long as you do not violate the EULA or break the mechanics of the game, everything else is intended by the very definition of the game you're playing.
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5nake pliskan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:23:00 -
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why is this in C&P?
other than for the luls
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Flyberius
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:46:00 -
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I fell foul of this little trick in Jita.
Personally, rather than **** myself, I learned from it.
What the OP should do is play the exact same trick on some other noob.
Seriously, he shud consider the money lost as payment for a lesson in scamming. The proper way.
Infact I am gna try this when I get home.
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Zephris
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Posted - 2011.01.18 03:38:00 -
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Simply never sell immediately.
Problem solved.
If someone put up a sell and a buy order for the same item, you can place a sell order below his by .1 isk.
now his entire asset is tied up in a scam of his own making.
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Serra Polaris
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Posted - 2011.01.18 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: The Shylock
Originally by: Serra Polaris
Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Originally by: Serra Polaris
I'd be surprised if Margin Trading was designed with the idea of setting up fake buy orders in mind.
You know, I bet CCP didn't make Destroyers with cheap Exhumer suicide ganks in mind. We should probably take them out of the game too.
That wasn't my overall point. The point is only CCP can say whether something is "working as intended". If they have then please post your source. If CCP thinks it's working as intended then fine.
I think you missed his overall point... This game is not World of Warcraft, it's EVE online. It doesn't matter what CCP intends, it's a sandbox and the sand is yours to do with as you please. As long as you do not violate the EULA or break the mechanics of the game, everything else is intended by the very definition of the game you're playing.
Ok well let be more clear about what I meant...it's up to CCP to decide whether or not they want something to be in their game, even if it's possible within the game's mechanics (like the Lofty scam).
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2011.01.31 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Serra Polaris
Ok well let be more clear about what I meant...it's up to CCP to decide whether or not they want something to be in their game, even if it's possible within the game's mechanics (like the Lofty scam).
Maybe you didn't notice, but it was already pointed out repeatedly that CCP has made it clear that it is their decision that it should work like that. Asking people to quote GMs is silly, because forum administrators will remove said quotations from the forums on principle.
Originally by: Rytlock Thackaray
I doubt it's as hellish as you'd like people to think. Just a quick, efficient routine to run out and grab the balance and compare that to the persons order data if orders are present. There are other ways as well... if someone posts a buy order then that amount of ISK becomes frozen in their account while the order is active, for example. This wouldn't keep people from cancelling at the last second, but it would keep people from being afk while bogus orders are up.
You didn't get my point, which is that these kinds of quick, efficient routines are called Database Queries, many thousands of which are made every second. Adding in significantly more just to reduce the functionality of certain aspects of the game and save a few carebear tears does not sound like CCP at all.
And freezing the additional isk in the person's account is absurd, completely defeating the whole point of the skill in a needlessly complicated way.
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