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TOKCuKO3
Terminus Technology
The Gorgon Spawn
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:14:00 -
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This can sounds cinical, but listen:
What most of us paying subscribtion for?
Quests and setting - Nope. Complicated and balanced game mechanics - maybe, but not forget the fact it changes non-stop completely. (And this is awesome)
So, the main thing we pay for - is to interact with a very special community, created by the hard-to-learn mechanics and fact of subscription itself. We think that we have a best game community ever, and have a serious proof of it - the social anket results, for example.
And, what kind of people do playing online console FPS?
I don`t say that they are worse. They are other. And we will feel incomfortable with them, i guarantee.
We can interact with hard-sim gamers, lots of us are they anyway. We can be tolerate with RTS gamers - a workable, intelligent people. Even with ex-wow players, maybe (its hard, according to my expirience, but possible).
But FPS players?
So, that`s why i think is interacrion with infantry is a BAD IDEA. It can kill the game. It will kill the game, if interaction will be full-scale, unignorable for pilots, and DUST project take some serious auditory. A give to New Eden significan slice of life, and this bothering me.
It is impossible make the EVE a casual game. Casuals will never play it anyway, and that is exact reason why we do.
Sorry, but someone must say that. |
meltorfas
Platinium Rats
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.17 05:11:00 -
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i believe given enough time for the dust community to mature (give it a year and a the grand majority of these whiny repugnant 12yo douche bags will move on to the next shiner penny) the two games can co exist in one universe. a serious Dust Merc and an EVE Capsuleer should differ exclusively by the format of the game they are currently playing. Those of us who play EVE and have been playing the Dust Beta are people that want dust to not only succeed but flourish and become part of something greater and a large significant part of New Eden.
CCP, i am sure wants this as well. my only fears are that the console is too limited a platform in terms of performance and once this game comes to PC said limitations will carry over. |
TOKCuKO3
Terminus Technology
The Gorgon Spawn
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Posted - 2012.08.17 12:29:00 -
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Will pray the things happen exactly as you say. |
Xander Det89
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:02:00 -
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So... stereotype much? |
Dagda 420
Standing United
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:50:00 -
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Lol what reality do you live in... hmm, I want to use the term kid here because it sounds like a child wrote this. Nothing of what you said made any since what so ever. It sounds like an ignorant comment conceived in the twisted mind of a very closeted elitist douche bag who uses the word intelligent in the same statement he misspells in several times while exercising no grammar skills. You also seem to be a bit hurt about FPS players, did someone make you rage quit Battle Field or some other FPS? Or are you just butt hurt because players of the FPS genre you suck at so much are now a part of the EvE universe in a very limited capacity?
I will over look these fallacies in the mean time and just chalk it up to mild retardation.
1) If EvE players want to go play Dust great we can use them! I doubt all of them will be very good at it considering a lot of them are hardcore RPG players. It takes skill and intelligence of a different kind you can't just run around like a chicken with its head cut off pre firing the **** out of everything.
2) If someone playing Dust decides to go and try EvE great! We could use them, however I really doubt many of them will stick around once they see the learning curve of EvE and how much time it really takes.
3) You obviously don't see that the complexity, time requirement, and learning curve of EvE generally cuts down on a lot of morons.. DON"T GET ME WRONG!!! Plenty slip through the cracks, Jita is a prime example! Not to mention your post! lmao
4) Don't be such a bigoted douche bag elitist jackass, come down off your high horse there.. Maybe get out of the house more than once a week, try meeting people who live in the real world.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.17 17:19:00 -
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console players are much more mature then PC players, as evidenced by the rampant "its not on PC so it must suck *cry cry cry*"
console players don't care about PC, PC players are always bitching about consoles because they know consoles are the gaming platforms now. |
Auar
Con and Sons
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Posted - 2012.08.17 18:35:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:console players are much more mature then PC players, as evidenced by the rampant "its not on PC so it must suck *cry cry cry*"
console players don't care about PC, PC players are always bitching about consoles because they know consoles are the gaming platforms now.
When did they port WoW to the consoles? Just sayin...
Auar
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Dagda 420
Standing United
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:00:00 -
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Auar wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:console players are much more mature then PC players, as evidenced by the rampant "its not on PC so it must suck *cry cry cry*"
console players don't care about PC, PC players are always bitching about consoles because they know consoles are the gaming platforms now. When did they port WoW to the consoles? Just sayin... Auar
RPGs are not popular with console players.. Dust from what it sounded like at one point was going to try and bridge that gap; however I don't see it with Dust. Granted they are making some cool innovations.
I don't hate consoles I just don't much care about the games on consoles and the controllers, the games I do like on consoles are mostly available for PC. But with the PS3 I can plug a mouse and keyboard into the PS3 and problem solved. So I agree with you the idiotic crying about consoles sucking is hater talk for being mad at the more popular platform.
My big deal about it was if they can interact EvE with a FPS on a PS3 why can't they simply make a PC version and link it not only to EvE but the PS3 also just for the cry babies... More money right?
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:54:00 -
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TOKCuKO3 wrote:This can sounds cinical, but listen:
herp derp sweeping gernalisations herp derp
So I started my online gaming experience as a FPS Halo player. I'd like to think I'm not some spittle spraying, drooling, beer chugging moron that you imply all FPS players are.
Two interesting FPSs in terms of what they did were CoD and BF 2142. Cod allowed players to jump into the action but have persistent levels for gear etc and while not brand new it certainly captured peoples imagination. 2142 allowed a team and strategic level of gameplay (in theory) that no other shooter offered imo.
DUST offers two types of experiences:
1) Jump on, shooting some guys, level up, create your own kits (The "CoD experience")
and
2) Create your own corp, be a commander and organise your team, play strategically, min-max your loadouts. (The "BF 2142 experience")
Everyone who does 1 you probably wont even deal with. Yeah they may be on "corp chat" or whatever but they aren't going to buy a keyboard to use to chat to you and they certainly wont type everything out. They may use eve voice chat but who on earth actually uses that in eve?
The second type of player will be much deeper into the rabbit hole, thinking about organising offensives, getting paid by EVE players etc. These players are likely to get much more involved with the EVE community and I'd say will probably be pretty smart (or morons, no-one has the monopoly).
You want a good idea of the type of interaction I suggest watching Starship Troopers.
The marines are all "working class" generally under educated but hard as nails and willing to get their hands dirty. Straight forward but will throw themselves at the enemy if you order them to.
The navy all seem better educated and from better backgrounds, as well as being smarter, but ultimately you can't just win space wars from orbit.
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Danny Hanther
The Sigma Society
Nobilium Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:35:00 -
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TOKCuKO3 wrote:This can sounds cinical, but listen:
And, what kind of people do playing online console FPS?
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An extremely large and varied group of people who behave in all matter of ways. People will always ofcourse single out one particular portion of a group and say that they are it. Wether or not they even come close to portraying the majority. |
Zero Audier
The Business People
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.08.26 14:32:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:TOKCuKO3 wrote:This can sounds cinical, but listen:
herp derp sweeping gernalisations herp derp
Two interesting FPSs in terms of what they did were CoD and BF 2142. Cod allowed players to jump into the action but have persistent levels for gear etc and while not brand new it certainly captured peoples imagination. 2142 allowed a team and strategic level of gameplay (in theory) that no other shooter offered imo.
Someone else that remembers the master piece that was BF 2142? ^5 bro. Back to the point, give it some time, cod kiddes won't be playing it for long because they don't get to run around 1 shot no scoping anyone. The more mature players will most likely love the amount of teamwork and communicaton that it will have. |
Conniver Canwin
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 01:40:00 -
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Dagda 420 wrote:Auar wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:console players are much more mature then PC players, as evidenced by the rampant "its not on PC so it must suck *cry cry cry*"
console players don't care about PC, PC players are always bitching about consoles because they know consoles are the gaming platforms now. When did they port WoW to the consoles? Just sayin... Auar RPGs are not popular with console players.. Dust from what it sounded like at one point was going to try and bridge that gap; however I don't see it with Dust. Granted they are making some cool innovations. I don't hate consoles I just don't much care about the games on consoles and the controllers, the games I do like on consoles are mostly available for PC. But with the PS3 I can plug a mouse and keyboard into the PS3 and problem solved. So I agree with Herping yourDerp, the idiotic crying about consoles sucking is hater talk for being mad at the more popular platform. My big deal about it was if they can interact EvE with a FPS on a PS3 why can't they simply make a PC version and link it not only to EvE but the PS3 also just for the cry babies... More money right?
Rpgs have been very popular on consoles.
A recent examples: Skryim
An older examples: Final Fantasy 7
A game like WoW could never be ported to consoles since there are very restrictive bandwith limitations on them. Such was the case with DICE announced that bf3 would only support 32 players on console, and 64 on pc.
Many people complain about consoles because they do suck. The hardware on consoles are very old, when you consider old hardware for pc is about ~ 1 year. THe worst thing about consoles is the impact on game development. There are games still being developed on DX 9 for instance, so 10 year old consoles can run them. Then there is the issue with $ony and Microcash paying devs for exclusives, which shows itself wtih dust 514.
Also, multi-platform FPS gaming was experimented with awhile back. THe pc users stomped all over the console users due to the advantages a mouse+keyboard bring. IT's very unlikely to see a multi-platform fps mostly due to this.
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Anubis Sparrow
Fiscal Fisting Inc.
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:36:00 -
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Some of what you say is true, but other parts I am going to disagree with.
I am new to Eve, only started playing while I was out here on a military deployment. My friends told me about it so I thought I would give it a go. So far I have loved the expierence of it all.
I have been playing FPS though since Goldeneye 64 on the Ninentdo 64. I have played every major FPS game since then. I love FPS cause that is a game type that doesn't rely on how long you have been playing, or what you have trained for. That is a game that relies on the players skills. Yes, better equipment always help, but if you can not put that retical on your target while ducking behind cover from enemy fir from another direction, it doesn't matter what you have cause you will die. I love FPS, but I am not going to say that they are all played by intelligent people either, but no game is only played by intelligent people. How many times a day does someone fall for the old "send me isk and I will triple it " scam. I mean really... come on....
Simply put, when you compare two different game types, with very different game mechanics to each other... surprise! There are very drastic differences. Just because they are going to be incorporated into each other, it does not make them any similiar. They will still have very different game mechanics. They will still be played differently by different people. When it comes out, I am going to get DUST 514 and I will play the hell out of it. I will play this still as well. I encourage you to let go of some of your bias and whatever your repressing. Learn to enjoy the possibilities that can come from this and look to the future and what it will provide BECAUSE of this happening. Games will change because of what they are accomplishing with Eve and DUST 514.
"I aim to misbehave" |
Domer Pyle
Northwest Industries International
Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:06:00 -
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Dagda 420 wrote:Lol what reality do you live in... hmm, I want to use the term kid here because it sounds like a child wrote this.
i hope you realize that OP is most likely russian, hence the name. it's supposed to be cyrillic, since both alphabets share some characters. Personally, i think his english is pretty darn good, for a non-native english speaker.
btw, OP, perhaps you could enlighten me as to wtf -ƒ-+-ü-+-¦-¦-¦ is about. i do not understand that cartoon at all. i don't even know what he's supposed to be o_O.
oh, and, on topic, i agree with OP, to some extent. i don't think dust will kill eve, but i believe it certainly will die pretty quickly. |
MidnightWyvern
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:31:00 -
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Auar wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:console players are much more mature then PC players, as evidenced by the rampant "its not on PC so it must suck *cry cry cry*"
console players don't care about PC, PC players are always bitching about consoles because they know consoles are the gaming platforms now. When did they port WoW to the consoles? Just sayin... Auar
I like the rejoinder, except for the WoW part. There's no arguing that it was once a juggernaut among MMOs, but using it as an example of platform superiority now just comes across as kind of empty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eaUaJUhTZfw#t=148s
An excellent example of why pod killmails are the best feature to be implemented in EVE Online since warping at zero. |
Lateris
Posiden Industrial
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Posted - 2012.09.06 21:16:00 -
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My only issue is how slow the controller is for a FPS on a console. And it is quite evident that Dust514 (UT III UDK tools and engine) would do really well on the PC except that the PC community for FPS are used to quicker movement and a quicker targeting selection than the console has to offer. I need to try this with a mouse and keyboard. Is it any faster in beta for the FPS or is it slowed down? Is that why matches are lined up with end devices? |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:26:00 -
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the beauty of console is everyone has the same hardware. so you think its slow, everyone else is the same speed.. also you can change your stick sensitivity and many console gamers can get on par with the mouse/keyboard. Mouse keyboard is easy to use, not better a 4 year old can get kills in PC shooters because all they have to do is click on the enemy. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.08 03:05:00 -
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Dagda 420 wrote:
RPGs are not popular with console players.
[cough]Skyrim[cough] |
TOKCuKO3
Terminus Technology
The Gorgon Spawn
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:23:00 -
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I was on Singularity few days ago. As promised, there is interaction with DUST avaliable. For now, anyway, only the common chat, no bombardment to my infinity sadness, and also no trade.
So:
As i can see from one hour of chatting, the dustmen realized themself a cute enough people, cultural and well, non-trolling.
I never were so happy to understand that i have mistaken. |
Alyala Drasari
Miranda Corporation
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:52:00 -
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I play the XBOX just as much if not more than I play eve. Generally the stereotype of COD and Halo players being whiny, bitchin, 12 year olds is true. I have pulled out more than my fair share of hair trying to hit the mute button. Battlefield 3 though I have not noticed that. But the thing is that there are alot of very mature...okay maybe reasonably mature players of all ages (10+ ....yes I have met a surprisingly mature 10 year old. Though that only happened once and it was probably a once in a lifetime thing.) on the console that are more strategically oriented than going out there and shoot everything up. Those types of players can and have transferred between console and PC. I am living proof that an FPS player can easily move back and forth from Console to PC. Hell I sometimes do both at the same time. Though it tends to stunt my K/D ratio. The thing is.... consoles do suck. They dont have the processing power, connection, or storage space that most gaming computers have. Generally though the consoles fair better in the gaming world because they are relatively cheap in comparison to the computers required to run games equally as good. I am really looking forward to seeing how EVE and dust turns out and that Microsoft gets their act together and allows CCP to test it on the Xbox systems. I think it would be really revolutionary if it pulled together all three gaming communities (XBOX,PS,PC). |
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