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Dorian Wylde	Posted - 2011.01.09 13:56:00 - [31] Sorry to say, but there will likely never be a PC port. It would be too unfair to the console players. A controller no matter how good the technology, no matter how good the player, simply cannot match the accuracy and precision of a mouse.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.09 14:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Orpheus Terminus I'm laughing at CCP while I wait on Planetside 2 then I shake my head and laugh some more. The main issue with PS2/PSNext can be boiled down to three letters, though, and those three letters spell much agony, sorrow and doomà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
knickersoffalot	Posted - 2011.01.09 15:41:00 - [33] Edited by: knickersoffalot on 09/01/2011 15:44:07 Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: knickersoffalot Sad to say but.. It's not WoW or SW:TOR. It is going to have a hard time. Fact. fixed that there for you What does WoW and SW:TOR have to do with dust being a FPS competing with already established FPS titles? did they change WoW to a fps since i tried a trial a **ed it off? -EDIT- News just in, it's going to be console based when did they release wow on the consoles? As an avid console player aswell as pc's console gamers dont generaly give a ** about wow! My point was it HAS to compete with THE MOST succesful console based fps'ers to date.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.01.09 15:57:00 - [34] Originally by: knickersoffalot My point was it HAS to compete with THE MOST succesful console based fps'ers to date. No, it doesn't. CCP said they are going to use the same marketing model as eve with a slow steady buildup of the playerbase so all they really need to do is make sure there are enough players to form a core group to help new players get involved. As long as sov is influanced in a meaningful way that core will be eve players who also happen to have a console which by all accounts is a fairly hefty portion of the playerbase. Also Dust will be updated with new maps and features on a regular basis for free unlike the clone of duty series that tosses in a couple of new maps and some tweaks then charges you full retail for the pleasure of playing it. So as long as CCP get the fps part of the game done right the rest will take care of itself especially as word of mouth and positive reviews come in.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.09 15:59:00 - [35] Originally by: knickersoffalot What does WoW and SW:TOR have to do with dust being a FPS competing with already established FPS titles? [à] My point was it HAS to compete with THE MOST succesful console based fps'ers to date. And his point is that EVE did the same when it came out and is still doing ità ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
knickersoffalot	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:16:00 - [36] Edited by: knickersoffalot on 09/01/2011 16:18:06 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: knickersoffalot What does WoW and SW:TOR have to do with dust being a FPS competing with already established FPS titles? [à] My point was it HAS to compete with THE MOST succesful console based fps'ers to date. And his point is that EVE did the same when it came out and is still doing ità A pc gaming Business model is comparable to a console gaming business model how? Quote: No, it doesn't. CCP said they are going to use the same marketing model as eve with a slow steady buildup of the playerbase so all they really need to do is make sure there are enough players to form a core group to help new players get involved. As long as sov is influanced in a meaningful way that core will be eve players who also happen to have a console which by all accounts is a fairly hefty portion of the playerbase. Also Dust will be updated with new maps and features on a regular basis for free unlike the clone of duty series that tosses in a couple of new maps and some tweaks then charges you full retail for the pleasure of playing it. So as long as CCP get the fps part of the game done right the rest will take care of itself especially as word of mouth and positive reviews come in. So selling a couple of hundred thousand copies is good? Quote: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 sold an 1.23 million units, UK alone. Quote: Halo Reach - the exclusive XBox 360 title released in September - sold more than 300,000 copies on its launch day, Quote: Call of Duty: Black Ops hauled in $360 million worldwide in its first 24 hours of release, reports Activision Blizzard. So i say again a couple of hundred thousand copies total will be good how? -edit- Dont get me wrong i am not trying to kick CCP but saying it does not have to compete with the other console titles is bloody ludicrous.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:27:00 - [37] Originally by: knickersoffalot So selling a couple of hundred thousand copies is good? ......... Dont get me wrong i am not trying to kick CCP but saying it does not have to compete with the other console titles is bloody ludicrous. As to the first part if they sold a couple of hundred thousand copies and retained just 30% of the players I bet ccp marketing would do backflips of joy. Remember kids that this is going to be a microtransaction based game so ccp makes money off it everytime someone want to get the upper hand. As to the second part CCP doesn't compete with other mmo makers like blizzard because their mmo's are so different in concept and execution even though they are technically the same game of skilling up to pwn. So again, no, dust does not have to compete with cod to succeed.
knickersoffalot	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:32:00 - [38] This is what happened to a recent shooter with a micro transaction business model. Linkage
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:40:00 - [39] Originally by: knickersoffalot A pc gaming Business model is comparable to a console gaming business model how? Computer game is computer game. More to the point, no, you don't need an established IP to make money. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
KWyz	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:56:00 - [40] "Hey mate, you still playing that silly spaceship game?" "Yeah man, you know me, always the internet spaceship laz0rs guy." "Never been much of a spaceship fan.Or mmo person for that matter.If you can't aim your crosshair at it and kill it, it's just not worth it." "Hey you know what? they have this new stuff coming up, where you get to shoot people on the planets in EVE.Check out the trailer." "Oh really? let me see..." Que in "Jaws" theme. Aside from the ***ottry above, I believe that's how CCP thinks about Dust 514. Flawless tactic, really. Pretty RL-gamebreaking if you can pay for the subscription with a plex. Or even worse...if you can get enough isk to buy a plex by shooting in Dust. As you can see gents, the world might come to an end with this game.

Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:59:00 - [41] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/01/2011 17:00:52 Originally by: knickersoffalot snip So selling a couple of hundred thousand copies is good? Quote: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 sold an 1.23 million units, UK alone. Quote: Halo Reach - the exclusive XBox 360 title released in September - sold more than 300,000 copies on its launch day, Quote: Call of Duty: Black Ops hauled in $360 million worldwide in its first 24 hours of release, reports Activision Blizzard. So i say again a couple of hundred thousand copies total will be good how? -edit- Dont get me wrong i am not trying to kick CCP but saying it does not have to compete with the other console titles is bloody ludicrous. CCP is a small business with around 300 employees and a customer base of around 330.000 active accounts (QEN 3/2010). Compared with WoW or SW:TOR or the whole cake of the MMO market that is a very small piece. Now look at CCP and how they do. From what I can see they're doing great with this kind of market share. If CCP would grow any faster the company would probably shred itself to pieces, as the structure to manage this kind of thing doesn't grow over night.. My assumption thus is simple: if Dust manages a similar piece of active subscriber accounts from the Console-FPS-Market cake, then CCP did good and will be fine. It doesn't need to achieve the numbers of CoD or Halo to be successful for CCP. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.01.09 17:01:00 - [42] Originally by: KWyz "Hey mate, you still playing that silly spaceship game?" "Yeah man, you know me, always the internet spaceship laz0rs guy." "Never been much of a spaceship fan.Or mmo person for that matter.If you can't aim your crosshair at it and kill it, it's just not worth it." "Hey you know what? they have this new stuff coming up, where you get to shoot people on the planets in EVE.Check out the trailer." "Oh really? let me see..." Que in "Jaws" theme. Aside from the *ottry above, I believe that's how CCP thinks about Dust 514. Flawless tactic, really. Pretty RL-gamebreaking if you can pay for the subscription with a plex. Or even worse...if you can get enough isk to buy a plex by shooting in Dust. As you can see gents, the world might come to an end with this game. IIRC, the plan is for Dust to be free to play. You have to buy the game, and then there's a cash shop for game stuff equivalent to BPCs. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always** to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
KWyz	Posted - 2011.01.09 17:13:00 - [43] Right, apologies for the lack of info. This just adds to the possibilities.
Orpheus Terminus	Posted - 2011.01.09 17:18:00 - [44] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Orpheus Terminus I'm laughing at CCP while I wait on Planetside 2 then I shake my head and laugh some more. The main issue with PS2/PSNext can be boiled down to three letters, though, and those three letters spell much agony, sorrow and doomà SOE ?
Hauling Hal	Posted - 2011.01.09 17:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Orpheus Terminus SOE ? Nooooooooooooooo, he said the word that must not be said.
Diwnisus	Posted - 2011.01.09 19:37:00 - [46] Edited by: Diwnisus on 09/01/2011 19:40:38 Edited by: Diwnisus on 09/01/2011 19:40:13 Edited by: Diwnisus on 09/01/2011 19:39:49 Originally by: Dorian Wylde Sorry to say, but there will likely never be a PC port. It would be too unfair to the console players. A controller no matter how good the technology, no matter how good the player, simply cannot match the accuracy and precision of a mouse. there will be when the game completely tanks on consoles. Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/01/2011 17:00:52 Originally by: knickersoffalot snip So selling a couple of hundred thousand copies is good? Quote: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 sold an 1.23 million units, UK alone. Quote: Halo Reach - the exclusive XBox 360 title released in September - sold more than 300,000 copies on its launch day, Quote: Call of Duty: Black Ops hauled in $360 million worldwide in its first 24 hours of release, reports Activision Blizzard. So i say again a couple of hundred thousand copies total will be good how? -edit- Dont get me wrong i am not trying to kick CCP but saying it does not have to compete with the other console titles is bloody ludicrous. CCP is a small business with around 300 employees and a customer base of around 330.000 active accounts (QEN 3/2010). Compared with WoW or SW:TOR or the whole cake of the MMO market that is a very small piece. Now look at CCP and how they do. From what I can see they're doing great with this kind of market share. If CCP would grow any faster the company would probably shred itself to pieces, as the structure to manage this kind of thing doesn't grow over night.. My assumption thus is simple: if Dust manages a similar piece of active subscriber accounts from the Console-FPS-Market cake, then CCP did good and will be fine. It doesn't need to achieve the numbers of CoD or Halo to be successful for CCP. you forget the fact that console gamers never stick to one game but move on to the next best thing. I dont know what is CCP smoking making a console game. They will get slapped back to reality.
knickersoffalot	Posted - 2011.01.09 19:45:00 - [47] Quote: you forget the fact that console gamers never stick to one game but move on to the next best thing. I dont know wthat is CCP smoking making a console game. They will get slapped back to reality. I never i just couldnt be bothered arguing with the fanboi's that it takes more then a slack handfull of players to make a game work. As a console gamer myself i know how shortlived titles can be. You just cant drum that into a pig headed fanboi i'm afraid!
Terazul Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.09 19:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/01/2011 06:40:26 ITT: prejudice and talking-out-of-the-rear in action PS: if CCP manages to hook up 100-300k of the whole FPS-Console crowd (counted in millions) then they will have succeeded PPS: they did achieve this for the MMO-PC crowd QFT (again). Funny stuff!
Diwnisus	Posted - 2011.01.09 20:00:00 - [49] Originally by: knickersoffalot Edited by: knickersoffalot on 09/01/2011 19:49:21 Quote: you forget the fact that console gamers never stick to one game but move on to the next best thing. I dont know wthat is CCP smoking making a console game. They will get slapped back to reality. I never i just couldnt be bothered arguing with the fanboi's that it takes more then a slack handfull of players to make a game work. As a console gamer myself i know how shortlived titles can be. You just cant drum that into a pig headed fanboi i'm afraid! -edit- On a side note it will be interseting to see what they do with the PS3 servers.. Someone has to pay for the upkeep! 360's are covered as they HAVE to pay to playonline. that payment though doesnt cover dedicated servers which are non existent on xbox live. whats more interesting to me is what CCP will do when ms and sony announce their next consoles.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.09 20:03:00 - [50] Originally by: knickersoffalot snip You just cant drum that into a pig headed fanboi i'm afraid! snip Nice personal assault there. Is that how you point out flaws in other peoples arguments? support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.09 20:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Diwnisus you forget the fact that console gamers never stick to one game but move on to the next best thing. So, much like PC gamers then. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kezbet Massively Mob Massively Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.09 20:47:00 - [52] DUST will be a huge failure if it even gets released. The only question is whether or not it will drag Eve down with it.
knickersoffalot	Posted - 2011.01.09 20:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Diwnisus you forget the fact that console gamers never stick to one game but move on to the next best thing. So, much like PC gamers then. Not realy. I cant think of a console game i have played for 3+ years
roastduck Gallente MerTeK	Posted - 2011.01.09 21:00:00 - [54] Originally by: knickersoffalot Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Diwnisus you forget the fact that console gamers never stick to one game but move on to the next best thing. So, much like PC gamers then. Not realy. I cant think of a console game i have played for 3+ years I can. Halo: Combat Evolved
Dante Marcellus Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.01.09 21:02:00 - [55] While it is my first instinct to sit here and troll people, defend something that hasn't even come out yet and point out all of the reasons as to why people are wrong -- I can't. Some great points have been brought up: 1. What will CCP do when the next console comes out? 2. Will console players have the attention span and/or drive to keep playing DUST 514? 3. How will the random average smacktard Joe react to a cash shop in this shiny new FPS he/she purchased? And one of my own questions - will interacting with these people be worth my while? lol While I am an optimistic person and I applaud CCP for doing something like this, I also see a lot of ways this could tank horribly. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.09 21:16:00 - [56] Originally by: knickersoffalot Not realy. I cant think of a console game i have played for 3+ years How many console games have been designed to last for 3+ years? Compare that to how many PC games you've played for a total of 4 hoursà It's the developers and their offerings ù not the players. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.09 21:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Dante Marcellus 1. What will CCP do when the next console comes out? Port the game to the new console? CCP probably never thought of that. I'm sure they are totally unaware. Why is that even a problem, doom&gloom says the game wont have any customers 2-3 months after launch. Originally by: Dante Marcellus 2. Will console players have the attention span and/or drive to keep playing DUST 514? Well, I'm sure the majority wont. Let me ask you another question.. Do PC-MMO-Players like PvP games where you can full-loot? Originally by: Dante Marcellus 3. How will the random average smacktard Joe react to a cash shop in this shiny new FPS he/she purchased? Really no idea. Somebody will have to run a trial to find out I guess support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Comrade Tsukae	Posted - 2011.01.09 22:33:00 - [58] I really do think Dust is an awesome idea, but some of the points made here are valid. It is unlikely it will hold the attention of the console community more than a few months unless it somehow manages to become the next best FPS. Then it might hold their attention a year or two at most.
Kuso Tabeteshine	Posted - 2011.01.09 23:32:00 - [59] Dust will be nothing more than a bad ripoff of Planetside, which was a bad ripoff of Tribes 2. People who think it's revolutionary in some way have no clue.
Samuel Caldara	Posted - 2011.01.10 00:38:00 - [60] If CCP can actually combine good FPS qualities with something different I can almost guarantee the game will do well. I don't know about everyone else but i'm starting to get a little bored of the modern warfare killing guerrilla fighters and stuff with weapons we are all very familiar with. If CCP can give something new, something that changes the playing field, it will probably do well. Things I (I can't speak for anyone else) feel it should have. Aircraft: Give us the ability to fly with a high ceiling on the map, transport troops etc Large Battles: Come on, you can pack 2000 into a system (with lag admittably) give us 120 on a map or something like that. Make it FEEL like a huge battle! Vehicles: Tanks, Fast Attack Vehicles. From the trailer I think you have that down. Make the maps BIG: If you have the ability to pack a large amount of people into a map, make it massive. Don't give us little villages give us massive cities, sprawling coutryside, or maze like fortifications. Make it feel like we are fighting over something important. Give Weapons kick and power: Unless there is a specific reason to eliminate some recoil make the guns kick hard when we shoot them. Also, don't go the black ops route of having to us an entire clip to kill a guy in regular death match. It shouldn't be two bullets but make it realistic. Give us this and you'll probably have a winner. I've never actually done PI but reading some of the other comments I get the feeling that worlds have little value individually and are probably not worth fighting over. Perhaps if you control the entire world (with no other alliances/corporations having extractors on that planet) you can find more rare materials?



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