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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.16 19:50:00 -
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I have a PS3 and obviously a PC.
If I was a die hard FPS shooter and I tried EVE and had never heard of it. I'd laugh and quit. Because FPS die hards and addicts are not wired to enjoy game like EVE, to them, it is boring. They are not looking for immersion. They are looking for kills kills kills in a fast paced combat environment. I think that, yes, more people will have heard of EVE after that. BUT surely TV commercial advertising on the appropriate channels would have been more effective and less costly than creating a video game at an attempt to achieve the same effect.
I play Battlefield 3. Occasionally. There are people who play that game like a crackhead. Those players will not like EVE. Those players will not like DUST because of the micro-transaction environment (in the case of BF3, i don't mind paying for those expansions, but those are not micro to me). DUST is an experiment that will either do great and fail miserably. Go play BETA and come back here and tell me that you have a promising vision of it's future. Yes I know, it's beta. But I'm going to go with my gut on this one. CCP is good at making EVE and they should stick to it and expanding the content offered instead of making a console game, that they don't seem to be very good at.
Dust should have been an expansion to EVE. It should have been what added to the development plans for WIS and all the other out-of-pod experiences that could have come with it. If I can get out of my pod and walk around my captains quarters, are you seriously trying to tell me that my clone cannot learn how to pick up a pistol? Use a knife? Wear combat gear? Why is it that their technology can handle an FPS environment on a console but not an FPS environment in EVE on PC? They are still sharing some of the same technologies and resources are they not?
This was an ego move for CCP. Not a smart one. We have seen what their ego does to EVE. If I want a good FPS, I play BF3 because that's the kind of FPS that I like. And if you are not trying to compete with the top of the line FPS games out there, then you are hoping to score those stragglers who those games couldn't appease. There is a market there, sure, but a small one. I think that there is a larger market for a fully encompassing PC-SciFI MMORGP/FPS that could have been awesome. If SOE hadn't failed so bad with SWG when they tried it, maybe they would have a different opinion on the matter. SOE failed because, well it's SOE and that company is horrible.
If still anyone wants to argue this issue. Just ask yourself. Why did CCP share with us a vision of the girl pulling out a pistol on the guy in the station after he ordered the planetary strike? It left us with a "vision" of what maybe they would do with WIS. So CCP put this out there as their vision and are NOT delivering on it. Not very impressed with DUST. And LOL at the graphics.....really....poorly played CCP. IMO. |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
139
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Posted - 2012.08.16 19:51:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:EVE would only fail on PS3 if it had its own server. Which it wouldn't. It would serve to bring more players into Tranquility.
But I guess MMOs simply don't belong on console. Much like how dumb, consolized FPS doesn't belong on PC.
If it wasn't for PC FPS wouldn't exist. |

Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
572
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:05:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote: How?
By not releasing it on PS3. The game is fully capable of running on PS3. With mouse and keyboard support and all. Most peoplw don't have a mouse and keyboard hooked up to the PS3, nor will sony publish a game that requires it.
And I've yet to meet a PS3 owner that doesn't have a PC. Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A |

Xiang Jing
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:14:00 -
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The OP in the thread is discussing the time it will take between "linking up" Dust and Eve and expresses concern about it taking a few months. I believe CCP has addressed this recently. Later on in the thread a "PC beta" is mentioned by a different poster, but there is no source or anything, and it appears to be simple confusion more than anything. |

Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:57:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:I'd prefer they didn't release it on PC for thematic reasons.
I kind of like the whole separation and two distinct gaming worlds interacting with each other. The relationship between PC and PS3.
If they add this it's going to be almost completely populated by EVE alts who need to do something while they're AFK mining.
I often play on the PS3 while AFK mining, but usually something like fallout that I can pause while I re-target my lasers. |

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.08.16 23:20:00 -
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Rats wrote:Sorry what MMO plays on a console ? think they all failed, where as the PC is home to all things gaming.
Final Fantasy XI, and Everquest come to mind readily. But don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for Eve to be on consoles, I don't think IT would work there. But I will say I was gaming LLOOONNNGGG before I ever got a PC, so...yeah.
arcca jeth wrote:If it wasn't for PC FPS wouldn't exist.
I don't buy that for a second. That's like saying that if there had been no Lord of the Rings, then D&D wouldn't exist. Saying that discounts a slew of authors, Robert Howard and Lovecraft come to mind with little prompting, and the work they did. In other words, if it's going to exist, then nothing will stop that.
A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |

Sitreba Oonchevkii
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
11
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Posted - 2012.08.17 01:19:00 -
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its simple really, ccp doesn't want to cannibalize their own marketplace by putting a f2p game on the same platform as their $15 a month game Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood. |

Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D
867
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Posted - 2012.08.17 01:37:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: .............It's MS wasnt interested..........
Actual Fact Alert!
DUST514 not being released on XBOX360 has nothing to do with Microsoft not being interested. At all. The reason CCP went purely with Sony is because of the massive restrictions that Microsoft places on any company wishing to release games on it's console.
The first being that Microsoft refused to let CCP host the game on their own servers. They stipulated that DUST must run on Microsoft owned servers. Secondly there is the issue of updates. Microsoft charges each and every independent producer of games an exorbitant amount of money to release updates and/or patches for their games, and they limit those producers to a fixed number of updates and/or patches per financial year. That has been a policy at Microsoft for a number of years. The Third and final nail in the coffin was Aurum. For obvious reasons CCP want all the revenue from the sale of Aurum in DUST514 to flow straight in to their own coffers. Microsoft had other ideas and were instead insistent that players of DUST would only be able to purchase Microsoft points OR purchase their Aurum from Microsoft, who would then of course take their own cut.
Now when you take all of the above in to consideration; Lack of control over gaming servers and the accompanying network infrastructure, restrictions to updates and content patches and a reduced potential income from any Micro-transactions in the game, it is not hard to see why CCP decided NOT to go with Microsoft as a business partner. Instead, they went with Sony. Sony basically said to CCP "You do whatever you want and we'll support you, all we ask is that players sign in through PSN". Hardly a massive demand when you think about it.
And finally, as if all the above wasn't enough reason to quit griping about Sony and PS3, when CCP told Microsoft that the point of DUST514 was for it to be integrated in to EVE, Microsoft reportedly said "Only if EVE also runs on our servers, otherwise there will be no connection".
I don't know about anyone else, but the idea of Microsoft trying to run EVE pretty much makes my stomach turn. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.08.17 02:30:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I don't know about anyone else, but the idea of Microsoft trying to run EVE pretty much makes my stomach turn.
oh, yeah, im feeling the churn... where's my pepto?
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.08.17 03:05:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: .............It's MS wasnt interested..........
Actual Fact Alert! DUST514 not being released on XBOX360 has nothing to do with Microsoft not being interested. At all. The reason CCP went purely with Sony is because of the massive restrictions that Microsoft places on any company wishing to release games on it's console. The first being that Microsoft refused to let CCP host the game on their own servers. They stipulated that DUST must run on Microsoft owned servers. Secondly there is the issue of updates. Microsoft charges each and every independent producer of games an exorbitant amount of money to release updates and/or patches for their games, and they limit those producers to a fixed number of updates and/or patches per financial year. That has been a policy at Microsoft for a number of years. The Third and final nail in the coffin was Aurum. For obvious reasons CCP want all the revenue from the sale of Aurum in DUST514 to flow straight in to their own coffers. Microsoft had other ideas and were instead insistent that players of DUST would only be able to purchase Microsoft points OR purchase their Aurum from Microsoft, who would then of course take their own cut. Now when you take all of the above in to consideration; Lack of control over gaming servers and the accompanying network infrastructure, restrictions to updates and content patches and a reduced potential income from any Micro-transactions in the game, it is not hard to see why CCP decided NOT to go with Microsoft as a business partner. Instead, they went with Sony. Sony basically said to CCP "You do whatever you want and we'll support you, all we ask is that players sign in through PSN". Hardly a massive demand when you think about it. And finally, as if all the above wasn't enough reason to quit griping about Sony and PS3, when CCP told Microsoft that the point of DUST514 was for it to be integrated in to EVE, Microsoft reportedly said "Only if EVE also runs on our servers, otherwise there will be no connection". I don't know about anyone else, but the idea of Microsoft trying to run EVE pretty much makes my stomach turn. A bunch of word that ultimately constitutes "not interested".
MS wasn't interested in allowing CCP to host on their own servers. MS wasn't interested in making it affordable. MS wasn't interested in letting CCP have control of their MT currency.
MS simply wasn't interested in being a worthwhile partner.
I didn't need to post a wall of text to make one simple point. MS wasnt interested. |

Finde learth
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.08.17 12:06:00 -
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The url link is the result about ccp's partner discuss the link between Serenity and Dust514 with china ccp.
At China,very few people have PS3. So the link between Serenity and Dust514 must be PC to PC.
http://i.imgur.com/qF4J3.png This state PC Closed beta will start at 2013. http://i.imgur.com/Tb3gU.png This state Dust514 PC version have been made,but will not "make public".(Now we all knew it) |

Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
50
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Posted - 2012.08.17 14:49:00 -
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I played dust during the beta last weekend or was it the weekend before last i dont remember but i was alittle disappointed in it . I understand it was beta but TBH I played for an hour or so and said this is lame and went back to eve. I will most likey give it another try once its out of beta to see if it has imporved but if it hasnt then I wont likely play it unless it does come out for the PC.
Just my 2 cents. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
869
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:28:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: A bunch of word that ultimately constitutes "not interested".
MS wasn't interested in allowing CCP to host on their own servers. MS wasn't interested in making it affordable. MS wasn't interested in letting CCP have control of their MT currency.
MS simply wasn't interested in being a worthwhile partner.
I didn't need to post a wall of text to make one simple point. MS wasnt interested.
1/10 for your troll attempt. Thankfully your post is so clearly disingenuous that there is little to no risk of you being taken seriously. My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
141
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:38:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Rats wrote:Sorry what MMO plays on a console ? think they all failed, where as the PC is home to all things gaming. Final Fantasy XI, and Everquest come to mind readily. But don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for Eve to be on consoles, I don't think IT would work there. But I will say I was gaming LLOOONNNGGG before I ever got a PC, so...yeah. arcca jeth wrote:If it wasn't for PC FPS wouldn't exist. I don't buy that for a second. That's like saying that if there had been no Lord of the Rings, then D&D wouldn't exist. Saying that discounts a slew of authors, Robert Howard and Lovecraft come to mind with little prompting, and the work they did. In other words, if it's going to exist, then nothing will stop that.
can you name any major first person shooter that was on console before PC? Not sure where you are going with your D&D analogy because D&D was a board game, then a PC game before it was ever on console. When I refer to a First Person Shooter, the 1st major offline games I can remember were being Wolfenstein and Doom, which orginally, came out for PC before any console was ever capable of doing so. You may not but it for a second but I'll buy that for HISTORY |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:01:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Rats wrote:Sorry what MMO plays on a console ? think they all failed, where as the PC is home to all things gaming. Final Fantasy XI, and Everquest come to mind readily. But don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for Eve to be on consoles, I don't think IT would work there. But I will say I was gaming LLOOONNNGGG before I ever got a PC, so...yeah. arcca jeth wrote:If it wasn't for PC FPS wouldn't exist. I don't buy that for a second. That's like saying that if there had been no Lord of the Rings, then D&D wouldn't exist. Saying that discounts a slew of authors, Robert Howard and Lovecraft come to mind with little prompting, and the work they did. In other words, if it's going to exist, then nothing will stop that. can you name any major first person shooter that was on console before PC? Not sure where you are going with your D&D analogy because D&D was a board game, then a PC game before it was ever on console. When I refer to a First Person Shooter, the 1st major offline games I can remember were being Wolfenstein and Doom, which orginally, came out for PC before any console was ever capable of doing so. You may not but it for a second but I'll buy that for HISTORY Or for that matter name a shooter that could have been made without the existence of the microchip (which only developed because people wanted smaller (than a house) computers). |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9206
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:10:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:can you name any major first person shooter that was on console before PC? But that wasn't the argument.
The argument was that, without PCs, FPSes wouldn't exist, as if the genre would have been unimaginable without PCs. Just because they came out there first doesn't mean that this was the only way the genre could have been invented, and claiming that it would have been impossible to invent it on consoles is patently absurd.
There were plenty of FPS-precursors long before the genre was codified through Wolf3D and Doom GÇö the entire lightgun arcade segment was already there and the big leap on PC was one of having more processing power available to not just use static backdrop environments, not one of coming up with the the basic concept of an FPS. This first-person shooter was out on consoles eight years before Wolf3D, for instanceGǪ
So as Jimmy was saying, if it's going to exist, then nothing will stop that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
954
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:25:00 -
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If Dust were on pc I would play it. I enjoy fps and the fact that its linked with EVE makes it more intriguing. Don't get me wrong I love playstation (**** xbox) but I don't really play console games much and don't really want to buy a ps3 just for dust. |

Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
564
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:59:00 -
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Never cared for PC games myself.
Single-player console Eve FTW! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
959
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:01:00 -
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I agree, EVE would be much more emergent if it were single player and on console. Like the wii. |

Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:04:00 -
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You should present your findings to NickyYo, He may get pleased with this. |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
141
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:arcca jeth wrote:can you name any major first person shooter that was on console before PC? But that wasn't the argument. The argument was that, without PCs, FPSes wouldn't exist, as if the genre would have been unimaginable without PCs. Just because they came out there first doesn't mean that this was the only way the genre could have been invented, and claiming that it would have been impossible to invent it on consoles is patently absurd. There were plenty of FPS-precursors long before the genre was codified through Wolf3D and Doom GÇö the entire lightgun arcade segment was already there and the big leap on PC was one of having more processing power available to not just use static backdrop environments, not one of coming up with the the basic concept of an FPS. This first-person shooter was out on consoles eight years before Wolf3D, for instanceGǪ So as Jimmy was saying, if it's going to exist, then nothing will stop that.
I think the both of you knew what I meant.
I want DUST to do well, but most FPS games are just better on the PC.
I have BF3 for both PC and PS3. PS3 because the controls are more fun and for me, easier to use. But I really enjoy the PC version for map size, match sizes and graphics quality.
I bought a PS3 style controller for the PC version but just cannot seem to get it to work right (which is a major frustration with PC games sometimes), hardware issues, driver issues and such. I play my PS3 version more often because I have friends who play that version. |
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