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Sword Knight
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:34:00 -
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Paladin can take down BS better but Tengues can take out smaller "arguably more dangerous frigs" quicker and has a longer lock time.
Both are expensive, though top rated Tengues CAN often cost a lot more than a fully equipped Paladin.
How would you rate a Tengu... risk vs reward or big guns vs fast firing missile launchers?
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CannonFodder82
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:41:00 -
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IF you have decent drone skills then a marauder is better beat down the bs's and let the drones wipe out the frigs, i myself dont fly a paladin but i do own a tengu and a golem and the golem is better for level 4's by a mile i use t2 med drones and can walk thru any level 4 fast without any danger to my ship
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:42:00 -
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Depends on opponent NPC.
Use Tengu vs Guristas, Serpentis, Angels, etc.
Use Paladin vs Blood Raiders, Rogue Drones and Sansha.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:43:00 -
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I love Marauders, my Vargur is awesome. I used to run L4s in a Loki and a Fleet Issue Tempest. Not as good imo as a Marauder.
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Sword Knight
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:44:00 -
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Well Paladin are generaly flown in Amarr space because of the type of damage they do, if you move to another area you tend to use a different ship type
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Skellington on 10/01/2011 16:47:48
 Originally by: Sword Knight
Well Paladin are generaly flown in Amarr space because of the type of damage they do, if you move to another area you tend to use a different ship type
Not entirely true, I know a lot of people who use Ravens\Tengus in other non-Caldari areas because Missiles can do all damage types, same with Projectiles for the most part.
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CannonFodder82
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Skellington
Edited by: Joe Skellington on 10/01/2011 16:47:48
Originally by: Sword Knight
Well Paladin are generaly flown in Amarr space because of the type of damage they do, if you move to another area you tend to use a different ship type
Not entirely true, I know a lot of people who use Ravens\Tengus in other non-Caldari areas because Missiles can do all damage types, same with Projectiles for the most part.
i fly my tengu and golem in minmatar space where i moved to on day 1 to escape jita
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 10/01/2011 16:57:40
Throw a tracking module on the Paladin to take out cruisers better, and any BS pilot should already be used to using drones to take out frigates.
My thoughts on using cruisers for L4s is you're better off blitzing L3s in terms of isk/hour.
My Warmest Regards.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Skellington
Originally by: Sword Knight
Well Paladin are generaly flown in Amarr space because of the type of damage they do, if you move to another area you tend to use a different ship type
Not entirely true, I know a lot of people who use Ravens\Tengus in other non-Caldari areas because Missiles can do all damage types, same with Projectiles for the most part.
Sword Knight's statement is entirely true: "Paladins are generaly flown in Amarr space because of the type of damage they do, if you move to another area you tend to use a different ship type."
He said nothing about Raven or Tengus, nor did he say anything about projectiles. There is nothing in his statement that indicates that ships other than the Paladin are specialized to any region of space. His statement indicates that the Paladin is generally used in Amarr space, which is entirely true.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Throw a tracking module on the Paladin to take out cruisers better, and any BS pilot should already be used to using drones to take out frigates.
Light Scout Drones is what I use, they are hard to hit if they get aggroed except by frigates and they move fast. They do more damage to Frigates for some reason. That's the only time I use Drones.
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ZeJesus
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:01:00 -
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Build one pwn mobile and use that ship only. E.g., you could build a Tengu with over 100km range and around 830 DPS (some implants needed and L5 skills, but *NO* officer mods are required only faction stuff).
Or, you can build a Machariel with 1300DPS using NO officer mods (still has a very decent DPS at long range as well). Etc.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
He said nothing about Raven or Tengus,
Yes he did, he was asking about using a Tengu over an Amarr ship. The key phrase here is "not entirely true", which leaves open that some ship classes are specific to a region. The reason some are usable in other regions is the ammo damage types being more flexible. You could still use it in another region, but the damage output wouldn't be as good as it could be against some factions. I run missions in Amarr with a Megathron on one of my alts just for the challenge.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Skellington
Originally by: Matalino
He said nothing about Raven or Tengus,
Yes he did, he was asking about using a Tengu over an Amarr ship. The key phrase here is "not entirely true", which leaves open that some ship classes are specific to a region. The reason some are usable in other regions is the ammo damage types being more flexible. You could still use it in another region, but the damage output wouldn't be as good as it could be against some factions. I run missions in Amarr with a Megathron on one of my alts just for the challenge.
He said nothing about Raven or Tengus, in the statement which as claimed to be "not entirely true"
His statement was entirely true. The implied meaning of that statement was to show that he was already aware of the damage type limitations of the Paladin. It would then follow that he wants to know if a Tengu is as effective as a Paladin in Amarr space.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Skellington on 10/01/2011 17:16:45
Originally by: Matalino
Edited by: Matalino on 10/01/2011 17:10:20
He said nothing about Raven or Tengus, in the statement which as claimed to be "not entirely true"
Yes he did.
However I will concede I went on an tangent :)
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:46:00 -
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I have a Tengu fit that can easily solo level 4 missions that is entirely T2 fit with no faction mods at all. If you want the fit contact me in game and I will gladly give it to you. It's fast, kills fast and survives a lot of damage. All dependant on your skills of course. Best part is...its as cheap as it gets for the components.
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Signe Tesk
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Posted - 2011.01.10 21:13:00 -
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Paladin's, plain and simple, are a yoke compared to Tengu's. Their cost are comparable.
Taking down frigs, cruisers and battlecruisers goes a lot faster (two target painters), and about the same for battleships. The missile setup of a Tengu always guarantees maximum DPS, so we can argue that, even if a Paladin exceeds about 762 DPS (that's my current number), it can't always apply it (especially true for smaller ships, and anything that's not in optimal range).
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O'Sirius
Amarr
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.10 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Signe Tesk
Paladin's, plain and simple, are a yoke compared to Tengu's. Their cost are comparable.
Taking down frigs, cruisers and battlecruisers goes a lot faster (two target painters), and about the same for battleships. The missile setup of a Tengu always guarantees maximum DPS, so we can argue that, even if a Paladin exceeds about 762 DPS (that's my current number), it can't always apply it (especially true for smaller ships, and anything that's not in optimal range).
Huh? NPC Cruisers and Battlecruisers pop in 1 volley from a Pally unless they're the HAC variant. At that kill rate they pop before getting under the guns unless the mission in question has them starting too close for guns. A standard Tach Pally fit gets just over 1k dps with max skills and implants.
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Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.10 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: O'Sirius
Originally by: Signe Tesk
Paladin's, plain and simple, are a yoke compared to Tengu's. Their cost are comparable.
Taking down frigs, cruisers and battlecruisers goes a lot faster (two target painters), and about the same for battleships. The missile setup of a Tengu always guarantees maximum DPS, so we can argue that, even if a Paladin exceeds about 762 DPS (that's my current number), it can't always apply it (especially true for smaller ships, and anything that's not in optimal range).
Huh? NPC Cruisers and Battlecruisers pop in 1 volley from a Pally unless they're the HAC variant. At that kill rate they pop before getting under the guns unless the mission in question has them starting too close for guns. A standard Tach Pally fit gets just over 1k dps with max skills and implants.
for the rest, use the 2 obligatory drone squads t2 small and med, and if you got the money buy a damn federation navy webber with those nice 14km webbing range and make use of the 90% webbing strength of the paladin
ship's got good alpha, awesome range, 14km of omgwtfbbq'd whatwasthat lazors and...lazors dude
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