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My Postman	Posted - 2011.01.12 13:56:00 - [1] Dear Community, I¦ve been using the wonderful Ishtar for Exploration, Wormholing and PVP there (ofc i lost one), but now, getting a bit bored of my Domi i want to run L3¦s (for testing it) and on L4¦s (for hopefully not losing it). Eft-Warrioring, i came on with something like that: Low: 3 x Mission specific hardener Medium Armor Repairer II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Med: Sebo II - Targeting Range Sebo II - Scan Resolution 10 MN Afterburner II 2 x Cap Recharger II High: Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I 2 x Light Neutron Blaster II Drone Link Augmentor Rig: Med Trimark Armor Pump I Med Sentry Damage Augmentor I 5 x Warden II 5 x Garde II 5 x Hammers II 5 x Hobs II My stats: HAC 4, Drone Interfacing 4 (shame on me) Sentry Drone Interfacing 5. I have WU 5 and AWU 4. Drone Rigging 4. Now my problems. For the sake of god i can¦t fit any med guns on it because of CPU, not even an Omnidirectional Tracking Link instead of a Sebo. So my question: What am i doing wrong? When switching to all L5 (Eft) it gives me lousy 10 cpu more, which might be because of the drawback of drone rigging. Is this setup a complete failfit? I know there are setups for shield ishtars out there but eve-search and my google-fu did¦nt work. Any help welcome, if this thing is failfit feel free to flame and troll away, never to old to learn. Thanks for reading.
Cartheron Crust Spais Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.01.12 14:18:00 - [2] Ishtar sucks for cpu. Appropriate faction hardeners will help a bit they need 20 cpu less each than the equivalent t2. Same stats as t2 (well can overheat for longer but whatever, you doing missions in it). They aren't expensive either, sometimes as low as 8 mil, commonly between 10 and 16 mil.
Mike712	Posted - 2011.01.12 16:50:00 - [3] Try this instead: [Ishtar, Lv4 Ishtar] Federation Navy Armor Explosive Hardener Federation Navy Armor Explosive Hardener Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II 10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Omni link boosts range with garde IIs to 36km. Tanks 367 DPS vs angels(weakest tank) which is plenty since you have a tiny sig and will be orbiting you're sentries at 500m/s+ Cap stable.
Linda Flamewalker	Posted - 2011.01.12 18:10:00 - [4] [Ishtar, ishty] Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener Ammatar Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Cap Recharger II Large Capacitor Battery II Domination 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I Salvager I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Curator II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 I dont worry about the tiny damage from guns and just go full drone damage. The tank handles lvl 4 without any problem. Fully cap stable since i am lazy.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.01.12 18:16:00 - [5] Consider passive shield, that's what most people who run lvl4s with Ishtars use. You simply won't have enough tank to do the harder lvl4s in active, even with speedtanking and leaving sentries behind.
Mike712	Posted - 2011.01.12 18:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Goose99 Consider passive shield, that's what most people who run lvl4s with Ishtars use. You simply won't have enough tank to do the harder lvl4s in active, even with speedtanking and leaving sentries behind. Only time I can think of where an active armor tanked ishtar may struggle is angel/drone missions with heavy webbing. My setup tanks an insane ammount vs other factions, in those cases speed tank is not even needed.
Linda Flamewalker	Posted - 2011.01.12 18:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Goose99 Consider passive shield, that's what most people who run lvl4s with Ishtars use. You simply won't have enough tank to do the harder lvl4s in active, even with speedtanking and leaving sentries behind. Not really, i dont struggle at all. Even one or two webs isnt that harsh to deal with considering how fast the drones just nuke those into oblivion. My t3 has less tank then my ishtar and it laughs at most webbers. I been quadruple webbed and the shields just very slowly took damage.
Marcus Gideon Gallente Federal Defense Operations	Posted - 2011.01.13 03:08:00 - [8] I loved my Ishtar for L4s. It could go anywhere I would have taken my dual LAR Domi. The only time I ever had a problem, was a very heavily webbing mission, when I tried to draw the entire room at once. Otherwise, the active armor Ishtar is just as durable as the Domi. The passive shield Ishtar is reportedly capable of solo L5s. And as stated, the Ishtar does most of its DPS with drones. My highs were all salvage gear for cleaning up the wrecks.
My Postman	Posted - 2011.01.13 11:04:00 - [9] Thanks all for your valid answers. I eft¦ed Mikes and Lindas setup both look good. Sadly the Autocannon setup won¦t go as i have no projectile skills. Which does¦nt matter too much as drones will be the primary weaponry. But you both pushed me in the right direction with the Large Capacitor Battery. Anyway, has someone a passive shield fit handy, and will share it? I fiddled around in eft but ran out of cpu even earlier than the active armor tanking fit. Thanks again in advance, and for reading.
VIP Ares Minmatar BALKAN EXPRESS B A L E X	Posted - 2011.01.13 11:12:00 - [10] This is pretty good one from Battleclinic. [Ishtar, Faction Passive Shield Ishtar] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum C-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Salvager I Empty Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/20553-Faction-Passive-Shield-Ishtar.html#ixzz1Aue41J3v
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2011.01.13 11:14:00 - [11] I was going to post that setup but Baldilocks beat me to it :( Anyway, replace the T1 rigs with T2 if you can afford it, and maybe the T2 LSEs with faction ones (cheap), as they use less CPU (IIRC - I probably don't though lol ) --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.01.13 12:57:00 - [12] Personally, I go... L4 - Domi Plexing - Ishtar The Domi's extra slots and fitting mean I can just set there with sentries/rails and plink my way through the mission. I found Ishtar more suited to low sec plexing.
Linda Flamewalker	Posted - 2011.01.13 15:05:00 - [13] Originally by: VIP Ares This is pretty good one from Battleclinic. [Ishtar, Faction Passive Shield Ishtar] Nice fit but my beef with the shield ishtar is that all you got is tank, you cant fit any omnidirectionals or drone damage rigs. So your dps will be a lot lower (yes those tracking links make a huge difference). The tank is quite impressive though i will agree on that :)
Bibosikus Gallente Universal Moose Federation	Posted - 2011.01.13 23:33:00 - [14] Edited by: Bibosikus on 13/01/2011 23:35:50 Ishtar is drone boat, period. Plus its bonus to drone control range makes it a sentry boat, so use those aspects to the fullest. I assume you're running missions against Serps or Guristas primarily, which is where the 'tar's native resists are best put to use: [Ishtar, Level 4 Serps/Guristas] Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Adaptive Nano Plating II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Alumel-Wired I Sensor Augmentation, Scan Resolution 10MN Afterburner II Drone Link Augmentor I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x 5 I've run level 4's in this for two years. Swap hardeners and sentries for angel missions like Buzz Kill, and swap scan res for target range where needed.. Cap is stable with AB, 3 minutes with SAR. YYou can tank it further but frankly there's no need; it's the drones that usually get the aggro especially from those dumb Mercs.. Regardless, you have 450-540dps ranging from 100km (Wardens) down to 20km (Gardes). Burn out to range, drop and orbit.. That's all there is to it :)
My Postman	Posted - 2011.01.14 15:12:00 - [15] Wow, the last two fittings posted by VIP Ares and Bibosikus different quite a bit. While the shield fit from Ares shows impressive 128.000 EHP against Guristas (1413 dps!). I can even fit 3 200mm Railgun II before CPU runs out. 486 DPS with Gardes. Cap stable without 2 guns running! Bibosikus fitting shows 51.000 EHP (Guristas) but only 250 dps. Impressive 538 DPS with Gardes. But it caps out (for me) in 3min 44 sec (Afterburner running). Did you run this in a L4? Looking at the various fits posted by you gents, i have the slight feeling i will need more than 1 Ishtar, when changing between Armor and Shield, if i don¦t want to destroy the rigs all the time. Thanks again to everybody, if someone has different ideas for fitting please post.
Marcus Gideon Gallente Federal Defense Operations	Posted - 2011.01.14 15:31:00 - [16] http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/20553-Faction-Passive-Shield-Ishtar.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/22299-Faction-Armor-Ishtar.html Cobbled these together a while ago... not sure if they're really as bad off as they're rated, or if BC is just full of haters. =)
Bibosikus Gallente Universal Moose Federation	Posted - 2011.01.14 23:50:00 - [17] VIP's shield fit Ishtar is superb for afk missioning since afaik there isnt a single Level 4 Srep/Gurista mission that can break its tank. So all you need to do it get and manage aggro and release drones (usually Hammers or Ogres) and make tea. I've use that sort of fit myself in 8/10 Gurista plexes, and it's awesomesauce. But it won't clear a pocket particularly quickly. Plus you're boating about at 200-ish m/sec. The fit I showed you (and I don't pretend it's mine exclusively) gives you all the tank and cap you need but it's not for afk. It's primarily a sniper & dash-about fit, which I use simply because I like hands-on. "Cap stability with everything running" is not necessary for missions if you're micro-managing. I can hand on heart say I've not once had to warp out because my cap was failing; usually I just pick up the sentries andburn a bit further out. Either fit will do you - if you can afford it, build them both. There are missions more suited for either.
Cyhawk	Posted - 2011.01.15 01:18:00 - [18] There isn't much for Ishtars to fit for L4s.. I've been using this fit for years, only time I have trouble is when I get neuted and not pay attention, the lack of the buffer to warp out has lost me a couple of them over the years... (where a Domi would of survived) Its cap stable with AB off, so it makes moving around easier than a domi. Overall, I find they're the same. And yes, thats a Civ gun, its for drawing aggro without ammo, ease of fitting, and you'll never kill anything with guns on an ishtar. Note: Domi fit is pretty much the same, just sans the AB, and more of said mods. [Ishtar, [PvE] L4s, simple, effective] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Drone Link Augmentor I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Marcus Gideon Gallente Federal Defense Operations	Posted - 2011.01.15 02:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Cyhawk There isn't much for Ishtars to fit for L4s.. I've been using this fit for years, only time I have trouble is when I get neuted and not pay attention, the lack of the buffer to warp out has lost me a couple of them over the years... (where a Domi would of survived) Its cap stable with AB off, so it makes moving around easier than a domi. Overall, I find they're the same. And yes, thats a Civ gun, its for drawing aggro without ammo, ease of fitting, and you'll never kill anything with guns on an ishtar. Note: Domi fit is pretty much the same, just sans the AB, and more of said mods. [Ishtar, [PvE] L4s, simple, effective] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Drone Link Augmentor I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Swap out one of your Rechargers for a large Battery. On just about anything BC and smaller, it helps. - One Button Extractors Explosions! ORE Field Offices
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2011.01.15 02:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Cyhawk Its cap stable with AB off, so it makes moving around easier than a domi. On. Cap stable with the AB on. Originally by: Cyhawk Overall, I find they're the same. Meh. I don't. The Ishtar is great under limited circumstances (that mainly involve exploration). The Dominix definitely has the edge as far as damage and damage projection go though -- and that makes it a (generally) better L4 boat. Oh, and an Ishtar without omnis OR SDAs? Please never, every do this. As stated above, it's a sentry boat. Respect it and treat it as such.
Elloo Simple Things	Posted - 2011.03.03 11:24:00 - [21] I'm finding a bit of mileage in the following fit. Highs: Whatever. Mids: 10MN MWD II 'Thurifer' Large Capacitor Battery 3 x Cap Recharger II's Lows: 3 Active Hardener II's 2 Med Armor Rep II's. Rigs: 2 CCC II's. It's cap stable with 2 MAR's and MWD running permanently. Just sayin'.
Veebring Greetings	Posted - 2011.03.03 12:20:00 - [22] Resistance Plating. It has no computational demands and makes your Ish happy

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