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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2011.01.14 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound The parents are to blame. Parents may not be made liable for the actions of their children beyond a certain age of their children, but that does not mean that the parents are innocent. If parents let their children play violent computer games and do not see to it that their children get out now and then to take part in other activities then it is not the fault of the games or their children.
Parents should be held liable for the actions of their children not only relative to the children's age, but also depending on other factors. I.e. if the children are still going to school, if they are living at their parent's home, and if they are having a job.
Banning the games is a quick solution, but it does not address the cause of the problem. Here politics make the gaming industry the scapegoat and lets the majority of the voters - the parents - live in bliss. Until it happens again. Before then will politics never do what is right, but only what is good for politicians.
Parents are not always to blame and I know this for a fact because my own parents where decent parents and hard working law abiding people that tried their best to bring me up the right way. I had other ideas and from early teens I was more than a problem child I was a total toe rag that thought school sucked and didn't bother going and thought drugs and booze where much more fun and doing all kinds of anti social and criminal behaviour.
Short of sending me into care my parents could do nothing to stop me I refused to listen to them or anyone else and whatever they tried whether it was punishment or trying to teach me what I was doing would cause even greater problems years down the line didn't matter I still did what I wanted to do, it wasn't until years later and my early 20s that I finally came around and stop my self destructive behaviour.
It always irks me when people blame parents because its not always the case.
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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2011.01.14 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran It always irks me when people blame parents because its not always the case.
From the sound of it did your parents let you take all the blame. They never thought it was their fault, but instead made sure that you knew who is to blame. Do you think that this is what parents should be doing?
I think that the parents are to blame.
They where actually tearing their hair our with me, the only option they had was to disown me because literally nothing they or anybody else did changed a thing. I find it interesting how you can make judgments about a situation you know next to nothing about, you don't know me or my parents or what I put them through yet you claim to understand it all.
You can either believe my post and take it at face value or you can pretend to know about things you have no experience with, its up to you.
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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2011.01.14 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran You can either believe my post and take it at face value or you can pretend to know about things you have no experience with, its up to you.
No, I do believe you and I also do have the experience. My parents were not perfect either and made mistakes, too. It does not mean that I, you or the parents have to take all the blame.
There is a huge difference between making mistakes and being completely responsible for the future behaviour of their children, ultimately parents are only one influence on a child's upbringing and things like the upbringing environment and siblings, teachers and the social culture during childhood.
Some parents are obviously to culpable but sometimes other people and circumstances are the cause and may not always be something the parents can influence or even be aware of, somethings can be so subtle that there is no way anybody could be reasonably be expected to recognise.
In some cases it may just be the way the child is and not down to any external influence and sometimes it is the parents fault I saw plenty of that to, friends I had where neglected and left to their own devices others ended up unable to have functional relationships because their parents set such a bad example with the relationship with the other partner but I still believe that its not always the fault of the parents.
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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2011.01.14 19:09:00 -
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So how exactly do the gun laws have no appreciable effect in the UK? I can go about my life with very little chance of being shot by an ex or by an enraged schoolkid and I don't have to worry about being shot walking down the street in a crossfire between a shop keeper and the crack head trying to rob him who have no experience or firearms training, I will likely never be shot by a cop who has pooped his pants after being attacked and fired off a whole clip but didn't actually hit the criminal he was shooting at.
People who support the gun madness in the US always claim that our laws make no difference when the reality is they do, most people in the UK will never even see a real firearm in person let alone be shot by one. Being able to go out and buy a gun would in no way enrich my life or give me any protection and I would rather take my chances at fending off an attacker that's waving a knife or baseball bat than a gun any day of the week.
The real issue in the US isn't the hardened criminals either the problem comes from the nutters or angry coworkers or jealous husbands or demented teenagers shooting up a school and that's the real cost of the gun madness, I mean c'mon the US didn't even get through the first month of the new year without a young child being killed in a mass shooting in a public place.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.01.14 20:39:00 -
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The UK managed to get through January without a mass shooting, even the whole previous year we only had one massacre and that guy owned his firearms lawfully.
I agree its to late to fix it in the US the damage is done you could never get even a fraction of the guns off the streets I just don't understand how you can defend and people always claim they can miraculously turn into Jason Statham and pwn anybody who attacked them with a gun with their own gun even though they have no combat training and pretty much every documentary I have seen shows that when people start shooting in self defense it either achieves nothing or ends up in a bystander getting hit, trained soldiers can have difficulty reacting quickly and effectively to a surprise combat situation until they gain a lot of experience but Steve from accounting thinks he can defend himself this way.
Even if you happen to be a bona fide green beret that served for 20 years and trust yourself to react would you have enough faith in a store worker that is scared out of his wits by an armed robber to be able to hit the robber and not accidentally shoot you or your family member as you fill up your car with petrol?
The same goes with the police, they are just as likely to hit their colleagues or members of the public than the criminal.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:00:00 -
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Training is only part of it, you can spend months or years being trained and practicing how to handle a firearm but it cannot prepare you for actually having to use it in anger.
I would rather not place my life in the hands of a random stranger and would rather see them hand over the money and call the police.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.01.14 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 14/01/2011 23:30:13 Raw statistics mean nothing unless you have some context like the social and economic conditions of the different regions as those are a much bigger factor in the causes of crime and the types of crime committed than simply the availability of weapons.
Originally by: Vabjekf And here are some interesting statistics, speaking of schools.
In the US, a 2007 survey showed that 7% of teachers report having been threatened by students.
In the UK, a 2007 a survey found that 16% of teachers HAD BEEN ASSAULTED within the last 2 years.
Maybe UK schools are so violent there are no notable violent incidents that contrast business as usual
Yep imagine how much better it would be if they had guns to
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.01.15 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ische Qou America needs more guns
If that congresswoman had carried a gun and some bodyguards, that perp might never have gotten a single shot off.
Link a single creditable reference that shows a situation where a member of the public stopped or prevented a mass shooting by using a firearm themselves.
I wonder if there has ever been a single incident like that.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.01.15 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Originally by: Ische Qou America needs more guns
If that congresswoman had carried a gun and some bodyguards, that perp might never have gotten a single shot off.
Link a single creditable reference that shows a situation where a member of the public stopped or prevented a mass shooting by using a firearm themselves.
I wonder if there has ever been a single incident like that.
Linkage
I never doubted robberies have been stopped but I want to see if armed passers by have ever stopped or prevented a mass shooting.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus Finland has much stricter firearm regulations, and very low crime and corruption rates. Yet....
Here... Jokela, 2007. Eight dead.
And here too..Kauhajoki, 2008. 10 dead.
I guess that means those Finns are just sick, sick puppies at heart, right? (Well, they are - I'm dating one....but I don't think snobs in the UK can point the finger and chant "US bad, EU good", when this kind of stuff occurs in Europe as well.)
Germany has seen several schools turned into a shooting gallery, most European countries have but no one is trying to say they only happen in the US because they don't but the US certainly seems to have more than its fair share.
As for British "snobs" the people from the UK posting here are defending our gun laws as much as they are laughing at the gun madness in the US because they either cannot see or refuse to see what it costs them, several posters here claim that the laws in the UK are not effective when they clearly are.
It is no coincidence that three of the worst mass shootings in recent British history where carried out by people who held a firearms certificate.
Originally by: Failccpfails OP is a normal moron...
You know this aint the only shooting that has happened in the last month right... they happen like everyday... this is only in the news because of the number of people... who gives a ****...
What I think 2 people die every second on the planet... omg 6 more big deal.
Tell that to the family of that little girl and the family of the other people where shot.
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