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Guitonkagya	Posted - 2011.01.12 18:54:00 - [1] I read somewhere in a post here 'Scanning' I think.... That an un-inhabited c2 WH can sell for 100 Mill? Is this correct? and where would one go about selling this? How does the deal go ahead without either party being ripped off or podded etc? Would the buyer want all the Grav, Radar, Ladar sites already scanned down ready to go and harvest? or would you leave it upto the buyer to do that? Im just wondering how one goes about selling these locations? I've found my fair share of Tasty Grav sites (arkonor, Croktite etc) even in 1.0 systems...Would these locations sell? and like i asked, how does the deal get done? contract? verbal agreement(trust etc)... Im just curious...any advice appreeciated. Guit.
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.01.12 19:39:00 - [2] Originally by: Guitonkagya I read somewhere in a post here 'Scanning' I think.... That an un-inhabited c2 WH can sell for 100 Mill? Is this correct? and where would one go about selling this? How does the deal go ahead without either party being ripped off or podded etc? Would the buyer want all the Grav, Radar, Ladar sites already scanned down ready to go and harvest? or would you leave it upto the buyer to do that? Im just wondering how one goes about selling these locations? I've found my fair share of Tasty Grav sites (arkonor, Croktite etc) even in 1.0 systems...Would these locations sell? and like i asked, how does the deal get done? contract? verbal agreement(trust etc)... Im just curious...any advice appreeciated. Guit. I'd buy these for 100m each if they actually existed What I think you meant to say is that you found WH connections in 1.0 systems? Wormholes really aren't limited to sec status outside of the HS/LS/NS definitions, so you can find C1s and C2s as easily in 1.0 as 0.5.
Sole Searcher	Posted - 2011.01.12 19:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Sole Searcher on 12/01/2011 19:56:08
Guitonkagya	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:00:00 - [4] Edited by: Guitonkagya on 12/01/2011 20:01:04 Originally by: Loraine Gess Originally by: Guitonkagya I read somewhere in a post here 'Scanning' I think.... That an un-inhabited c2 WH can sell for 100 Mill? Is this correct? and where would one go about selling this? How does the deal go ahead without either party being ripped off or podded etc? Would the buyer want all the Grav, Radar, Ladar sites already scanned down ready to go and harvest? or would you leave it upto the buyer to do that? Im just wondering how one goes about selling these locations? I've found my fair share of Tasty Grav sites (arkonor, Croktite etc) even in 1.0 systems...Would these locations sell? and like i asked, how does the deal get done? contract? verbal agreement(trust etc)... Im just curious...any advice appreeciated. Guit. I'd buy these for 100m each if they actually existed What I think you meant to say is that you found WH connections in 1.0 systems? Wormholes really aren't limited to sec status outside of the HS/LS/NS definitions, so you can find C1s and C2s as easily in 1.0 as 0.5. Im confused now...So what are people actually paying for? Yes i do mean the Wh connections. Does A WH connection, say for example in Rens, lead to the same W-space as all the previos WH connections in the Rens system? is that how people can set-up home in W-space and still return to the same system? once they've scanned down the WH connection in the W-space they live in? Phew this can be a bit of a mind bender lol And what are people paying for? the WH connection?
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:06:00 - [5] What people are generally paying for is the system. All the transactions I've seen involve parking yourself in the wormhole and putting up a thread in the sell order forum detailing the WH and its statics and effects. Dotlan and staticmapper.com links will help you to that extent, but you need to STAY INSIDE and keep the static scanned down so that you can give them the system it connects to when the buyer wants to buy it. Connections from K-space can degrade quickly, and sell orders are generally not snapped up quickly... Take this with a grain of salt, though. I've never sold a WH. Almost moved a friend into a C5, but that's it.
Guitonkagya	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Loraine Gess What people are generally paying for is the system. All the transactions I've seen involve parking yourself in the wormhole and putting up a thread in the sell order forum detailing the WH and its statics and effects. Dotlan and staticmapper.com links will help you to that extent, but you need to STAY INSIDE and keep the static scanned down so that you can give them the system it connects to when the buyer wants to buy it. Connections from K-space can degrade quickly, and sell orders are generally not snapped up quickly... Take this with a grain of salt, though. I've never sold a WH. Almost moved a friend into a C5, but that's it. So they are paying for the system within the WH? I need to get this clear in my head lol right... So if i find a WH connection in (lets say for example) Rens, have all the previous and yet to be WH connections in the Rens system lead to the same W-space system? or do the yet to exist WH entrances lead to another Random W-space? And what about if you live in W-space? obviously you are scanning down the WH exit every time you want to leave the system, i understand that the WH connection in the w-space that you live in will lead back to the original h,l,n sec system? so does it go the same for the empire space system. So if im in Rens and i scan down a WH connection....I enter, note the system number eg: unknown x-123. I mess about in the W-space for a while. I leave. The WH collapes. A few days later I return to Rens system and scan down another WH connection....Will this new WH connection lead me back to x-123? or will it lead me to a different system? Sorry for the long winded and confusing way i ask but, im not sure i fully 'get' the whole WH thing yet...
Bo Pipe	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Guitonkagya Im confused now...So what are people actually paying for? Yes i do mean the Wh connections. Does A WH connection, say for example in Rens, lead to the same W-space as all the previos WH connections in the Rens system? is that how people can set-up home in W-space and still return to the same system? once they've scanned down the WH connection in the W-space they live in? Phew this can be a bit of a mind bender lol And what are people paying for? the WH connection? When people are interested in "buying" an uninhabited wormhole system, they aren't really interested in the sites that it contains. Rather, they are interested in the "static wormhole" that the system has. Remember, every wormhole system has at least one static wormhole. It is best to explain by example. Let's say that there's a C5 wormhole system that has a C3 static. This means that, within this C5 system, there will always be a wormhole going to a C3 system. Always. Now, the particular C3 system will change every time the static collapses and respawns, but that's exactly what people are looking for. You see, when someone moves into and lives out of a wormhole system, they can't survive on running the sites in that system. Those sites will get quickly farmed out and take weeks to fully respawn, so you'd just have an empty system most of the time. So, a corp that likes to run C3 systems wouldn't necessarily be looking to live in a C3, but they'd want to live in a system that has a C3 static. Make sense? Some systems - instead of having a static to another wormhole will have a static back to k-space (low or hi-sec). These systems might be more attractive to corps focused on using their POSes for industry. So, you can see that the two main things of value in a system is - is it uninhabited? And, what is the system's static type?
khazak mokl Amarr Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:27:00 - [8] Wormholes can be sold for good money. Especially the low end stuff like C1-C3's which are mainly all taken now. Find out the static exit from it by scanning it out every day to see if the designator changes or you can use static mapper or a similar program. You can stay in the WH urself and sell it or use a broker like raid'en. Khaz
Guitonkagya	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Bo Pipe Originally by: Guitonkagya Im confused now...So what are people actually paying for? Yes i do mean the Wh connections. Does A WH connection, say for example in Rens, lead to the same W-space as all the previos WH connections in the Rens system? is that how people can set-up home in W-space and still return to the same system? once they've scanned down the WH connection in the W-space they live in? Phew this can be a bit of a mind bender lol And what are people paying for? the WH connection? When people are interested in "buying" an uninhabited wormhole system, they aren't really interested in the sites that it contains. Rather, they are interested in the "static wormhole" that the system has. Remember, every wormhole system has at least one static wormhole. It is best to explain by example. Let's say that there's a C5 wormhole system that has a C3 static. This means that, within this C5 system, there will always be a wormhole going to a C3 system. Always. Now, the particular C3 system will change every time the static collapses and respawns, but that's exactly what people are looking for. You see, when someone moves into and lives out of a wormhole system, they can't survive on running the sites in that system. Those sites will get quickly farmed out and take weeks to fully respawn, so you'd just have an empty system most of the time. So, a corp that likes to run C3 systems wouldn't necessarily be looking to live in a C3, but they'd want to live in a system that has a C3 static. Make sense? Some systems - instead of having a static to another wormhole will have a static back to k-space (low or hi-sec). These systems might be more attractive to corps focused on using their POSes for industry. So, you can see that the two main things of value in a system is - is it uninhabited? And, what is the system's static type? Great!! Thankyou :) its all starting to make sense now.... The only thing im still not clear on is...does a WH entrance always lead to the same w-space from empire space ? ie: when a WH entance in Eg:Rens system ALWAYS lead to the same w-space or is it random?
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.01.12 23:25:00 - [10] It's random. Also there might be more than one K-space (Empire) system with a w-hole leading into the same w-system. As for selling the w-system, best to use a neutral 3rd party.
Guitonkagya	Posted - 2011.01.12 23:29:00 - [11] Thankyou. Clears a few things up for me. What lovely bunch of helpful people you are
Nathaniel Brazil	Posted - 2011.01.13 10:40:00 - [12] Any recommendations on third-party brokers?
Nicky's Tomb	Posted - 2011.01.13 15:33:00 - [13] Originally by: khazak mokl Especially the low end stuff like C1-C3's which are mainly all taken now. Was there a finite number of WH systems added and they don't spawn or despawn?
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.01.13 15:40:00 - [14] Edited by: Boltorano on 13/01/2011 15:43:19 Originally by: Nicky's Tomb Originally by: khazak mokl Especially the low end stuff like C1-C3's which are mainly all taken now. Was there a finite number of WH systems added and they don't spawn or despawn? Only the wormholes spawn/despawn, the systems are always there. Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone thinks otherwise. Scroll down to see the list of w-space regions and click on the region name to pull up a list of systems.

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