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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.01.13 17:27:00 -
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Back in June 2010 CCP met with our player representatives and acknowledged that many things would need to be worked on in the spaceship game but because of incarna they would have to wait 18 months. I appreciate the honesty even though I was not thrilled with that answer. But I would ask that after incarna is finished that ccp put it down and work on the spaceship part of the game.
I have good reason to suspect that the spaceship game will continue to be ignored even after incarna. When incarna comes out it will draw new crowds to the game. And those new crowds will be here in assembly hall asking ccp to dedicate *more* time to walking in stations.
They will want more tattoos and piercings and bigger wardrobes and more hair styles, more make up, pets, sports cars etc. Just look at everything Barbie has and it will be requested. (even some things she doesnÆt have like jiggly jugs have been requested) These folks donÆt exist in large numbers in game now because eve doesnÆt offer the dress up game they are after. But incarna will draw them in.
Even now before incarna is even out we have people who want to make their character 6 inches taller/shorter or have jiggly jugs. We also have proposals for a whole combat system in incarna. The clamor for these sorts of proposals will only grow once incarna is out and that crowd starts filling the forums. The items brought up by csm 5 in June will continue to languish.
Accordingly as a player, who waited patiently, I would propose that after incarna is out CCP please resist the temptation to put off spaceships even longer to ôiterateö on incarna until the items in the June summit that, to the current playersÆ chagrin, were tabled for 18 months are actually done.
And before anyone says we canÆt make proposals about when ccp works on what etc. let me say your wrong. I just did. And I would like ccp to work on the space ship game that everyone acknowledges deserves time. I know that to get incarna out this has been delayed. But I would hope they wonÆt continue to push those issues aside after its out. If you agree with me please support this proposal.
It doesnÆtÆ take a genius to see the problems outlined in june, are likely to be pushed aside even longer than 18 months. Not only will the space Barbie crowd grow very large after incarna, but many who like to play the spaceship side of the game will see they are irrelevant and leave. Hence I am putting this proposal up now. Thanks for reading.
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Ranka Mei
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Posted - 2011.01.13 19:07:00 -
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Supported. +1
With the advent of PI, I already got too much of a 'SIMS' feel (I was this close to seeing myself building a theme park on a planet).
New character editor is fine. Maybe have 3D corp meetings in station along with it? Also fine. But yes, let's keep it spaceship oriented.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.01.13 19:15:00 -
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Personally, I'm getting pretty sick and tired of the whining.
The walking portion is going to be as much a part of the game as the spaceship portion. "Definitive sci-fi simulator" can only work if they cover all areas, not just one or the other.
Not supported.
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Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.01.13 19:40:00 -
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I don't mind if they work on Incarna after it comes out, but I would prefer that they give it equal time to any other aspect of the game that needs work (FW, PI, low-sec, corp roles, ad infinitum). Incarna will be a part of the game, but CCP should keep in mind that it's just that, a small part of a greater whole.
As for the Incarna debacle that seems to be forming, I'm gonna remain patient and see what they do with it. I'd like them to include some things like corp stores and all, but for now, I take a wait and see attitude towards the new mechanics.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.01.14 15:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Teranul
Personally, I'm getting pretty sick and tired of the whining.
The walking portion is going to be as much a part of the game as the spaceship portion. "Definitive sci-fi simulator" can only work if they cover all areas, not just one or the other.
Not supported.
You do understand that there is really no "game" to walking in stations. I agree it adds to immersion but thatÆs about it. They will basically slap fangs on these characters and call them vampires for WOD. If you want gameplay with these characters play WOD.
I have no complaints about that. That is good. That is smart, and I want ccp to do well. I am not going to complain that a company is making good use of resources.
Second I am not whining. I am just asking that after incarna is out, that they move back to the gameplay in eve. We still have almost a year to go before that happens and I will wait patiently. But IÆm just looking for *some* point in time where they will start to work on what current players would like in eve.
Consider this. A substantial number of people who have played this game for over 1.5 years play it because of small scale pvp. Did you know ccp still does not have a game mechanism that reliably delivers small scale pvp?
FW plexing came very close. FW plexing was a real solid attempt to make a small scale pvp mechanism. It works better than just about anything out there but still it clearly needs fixing. Players have been clamoring for a fix to this for years.
Wormholes was another ôalmost thereö attempt but not as good as fw with respect to small scale pvp. (Wormholes were obviously much more than just an attempt to create opportunities for small scale pvp)
Low sec in general is a good place for small scale pvp and people have been clamoring for ccp to do something with this.
But instead of giving us a fix for fw or anything that will give us more small scale pvp, what do they do? They send tons beefed up npcs into random systems????
Look I hope incursions are great and lots of people get enjoyment from shooting those rats and grabbing those bpcs. ItÆs just that this is not something players asked for.
Tons of players who have stuck with this game for a long time say they love it for the small scale pvp. Thread after thread asks CCP to facilitate this in different ways. After about 2 years of requests CCP says it will take 18 months before they look at it.
Understandably there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the players. But now I am just saying ok ôuncle.ö You wonÆt listen to our requests for 18 months but can we at least have it be a priority then? Or is ccp going to forever ignore the gem in this game that keeps people playing for years?
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Miasmic Truth
Minmatar
In Pennae of Mors
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Posted - 2011.01.14 17:44:00 -
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ItÆs hard to say any of the view listed are wrong in anyway, however it is true that CCP is working a complete scifi simulation experience where you can do whatever it is you imagine. To achieve that goal all aspects of the game need to be represented and be developed.
However I also agree that the current draw of the game, what makes EVE, EVE need to be preserved and receive its fair share of attention and that the spaceship part of the game should never but pushed all the way to the back burner.
I personally love the idea of all that we could do in stations. Everything mentioned that players would like to see in walking in stations. However I feel that is should never be a total priority. For example, T3 is dying for more advancement in modules and or new ships like the frigates that were once rumored to be coming, and as mentioned Faction Warfare which I here no end of disjointing remarks from those who participate in it.
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Joss56
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.14 18:52:00 -
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Supported
And francly, if Walk on Stations and gank in stations etc is the next step of the game, i see no reason for me to continue to play the game. I play it for space ships nothing else.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.15 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Personally, I'm getting pretty sick and tired of the whining.
The walking portion is going to be as much a part of the game as the spaceship portion. "Definitive sci-fi simulator" can only work if they cover all areas, not just one or the other.
Not supported.
It's just people voicing opinions, bro; relax. :)
And fyi, no, they cannot work on two major areas at the same time; at least not without doubling their dev team, that is. And, realistically, they're not gonna do the latter, of course. We've already seen this with Dust 514, where certain EVE 'to-do' projects were shelved in order to devote resources to the former. So, likewise, any major efforts towards cool in-station gift shops and all, while I'd love to see things like that become a reality one day, will inevitably come at the expense of working on the space aspect of things. So, asking CCP for a wee restraint in that area doesn't seem unreasonable.
Also, Incarna has the potential to be if not game-breaking, then certainly game-changing, in that doing primarily in-station 3D stuff would essentially make EVE a fundamentally different game from what it is now. Again, not saying CCP will go that far, of course; but asking them to please not go overboard with it, and to not forget the old space element of EVE, to me appears more than a reasonable request.
Still supported.
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Terazul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.15 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: jackaloped
You do understand that there is really no "game" to walking in stations.
Except there is. This one line pretty much guarantees my opposition as you clearly lack any sort of respect for this aspect of the game they are developing - at least, not enough respect to see videos on the subject released all the way back in 2008 which do, in fact, show that it is more than simply walking around playing dress-up.
This entire thread is predicated on the assumption that CCP cannot possibly have different parts of the team working on different parts of the game at once.
Newsflash! They've been doing that this whole freakin' time. Since the time they started the project (what was it, 2007?), they've released Trinity, Empyrean Age, Quantum Rise, Apocrypha, Dominion, Tyrannis, and coming up on Incursion. They didn't stick Incarna on the back-burner while they did all this; they had people working on the space game, people working on the station parts, and people working on both all these years.
What you REALLY want is for them to not ignore old features and iterate on them after they're released, which has nothing at all to do with their focus (or lack thereof) on Incarna.
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Deandra Walran
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Posted - 2011.01.15 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Supported. +1
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Worgen Fratmon
Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.15 01:04:00 -
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Just say no to jiggly jugs. 
But he's right. This is a space ship game.
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Spirulina Laxissima
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Posted - 2011.01.15 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Joss56
Supported
Me too, but please check the 'Support this topic'-box Joss! 
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.01.16 03:23:00 -
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I'm not trying to be negative about incarna. It is good for the game and I think it will add to my own game play experience. I will freely admit I thought it was odd that we only had a small picture of our character when I started eve.
But itÆs easy to see how ccp could get carried away with it and continue to put other game play issues on hold.
People who think ccp can work on everything at the same time should read the csm minutes from June of 2010 and the dev blog that followed that.
CCP is clearly doing an awesome job with incarna, but it is taking up huge resources and that is really why they said, for example, FW will have to wait about 18 months before we will see more substantial work on it.
This proposal is really just intended to be statement from the players asking ccp to keep their word about when they would get back to spaceships.
If you are fine with them not getting back to spaceships after the 18 months and, you want them to *continue* to dedicate huge amounts of resources to incarna, then donÆt vote for this proposal.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.16 04:22:00 -
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Supported. +3
WoD, DUST, Incarnia.... They all make perfect sense on a marketing department spreadsheet.
In reality they are draining Eve of the innovative creative minds it needs to continue.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.16 04:43:00 -
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Nope sorry they have to focus on World of Darkness after Incarna.
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Nora Skuld
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Posted - 2011.01.16 07:33:00 -
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Of course, I hope they won't forget about the spaceship game... THAT THEY DEVELOPED FOR ABOUT 7 YEARS.
Developers are free to do what they want. If you're not pleased by the product, then find another one.
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.01.16 08:19:00 -
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Not supported, I hope they continue to work on incanra after release.
eve has had just as constant space ship changes and additions over the years as it always had.
When I started playing they only had 20 people in the whole office, and they rolled out capital ships.
Now they got 50 people working on just spaceships, and 50 people working on just incarna.
In fact I'm in support of a smaller group since back in day it felt like more got done. less stepping on toes.
But either way 50 people making changes is more than 20, even if only 50% of current devs working on eve are working on the space part.
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Walmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.16 11:25:00 -
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Supported.
Please let Icarna wither and die in it's still-born bugged to crap form, just like every other recent feature outside of the Apocrypha patch.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.01.16 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: PTang
...When I started playing they only had 20 people in the whole office, and they rolled out capital ships.
Now they got 50 people working on just spaceships, and 50 people working on just incarna. ...
Where are you getting these numbers. The dev blog I read said 70 people on incarna and 22 on in space.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777
Originally by: Nora Skuld
àDevelopers are free to do what they want. If you're not pleased by the product, then find another oneà.
Or I could post my wishes on the forum ccp specifically set up for that purpose.  I suppose you could post your comment in response to every proposal in assembly hall.
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Vantlor
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:00:00 -
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Supported. Would be better if they didnt release Incarna at all though IMO :)
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:26:00 -
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I admire your patiance and understand your stance towards the subject.
Personally i too would like to see them constantly tweak the spaceship part of eve.
Baring in mind that Incarna is actually an expansion planned pretty much since the start of eve where Oveur said at the first fanfest that the issue with walking in stations would be what to do with it, how to incoprorate it into the grand design of eve i am looking forward to see eve expand.
I just hope that these expansions mean that eve grows as a whole and not that it's a shift in focus.
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Freyr Ashen
Black Fury
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:17:00 -
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everyone YAY for gankin in stations. and use sommet similar to the dust engine plz ccp :D
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:51:00 -
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After Incarna is out?
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Jeanluca
TranSolar Prospecting and Private Securities
AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:54:00 -
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Incarna isn't going to destroy the space portion of the game. It's just another thing to do that's all. If you wanna pvp, mine, or whatever do it. I believe CCP has said many time that Incarna won't change the core game play experience. It will be ok everyone.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jeanluca
Incarna isn't going to destroy the space portion of the game. It's just another thing to do that's all
If I want to learn Rogue I can play city of heroes or Wow.
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