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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.01.14 18:35:00 -
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It's the *older* order which is filled first, not the one that expires first, right?
IE, I have an order which expires in 3 months, which was place an hour ago.
A competitor then creates an order with the exact same price as mine, but is set to expire in 1 month, but his order is brand new.
Because my order is older, my order gets filled first, even though his order will expire first.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.14 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 14/01/2011 19:53:25
As far as I know, if nothing changed recently (doubt it has), yes, the "older" one gets processed first. I always use 3-month orders, they seldom reach 60 days, and I've had price-ties going to me relatively recently in the past with the other orders being 30-day or 7-day ones.
P.S. A quick login to SiSi (dammit another non-incremental update) should solve the question. I'll keep you posted.
EDIT: sidenote -- Not sure if you noticed, but ISK amounts, while listed with 2 decimals everywhere (ingame, logs, etc) actually have FOUR decimals, the last two hidden. The only place where you can actually see those last two of four decimals is in the character XML wallet amount. One wildly speculative hypothesis that is completely untested (never bothered to try and check) is that the system automatically alters (rounds?) the last two hidden decimals so that even if the listed prices are the same up to ISK cents, the real values of the orders that match price exactly might actually be 0.0001 ISK apart.
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Bilbo II
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Syndicate.
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Posted - 2011.01.14 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Bilbo II on 14/01/2011 19:45:45 Nope, unless it has changed the first order to EXPIRE get the sales on all price ties.
Edit: I would go with the above opinion over mine as it has been a while since I was an active trader.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 14/01/2011 21:19:37
SiSi testing:
First placed an order of 1000 units at 3 months duration (oldest, latest expiry). Second placed an order of 100 units at 1 month duration about two minutes later at the exact same price. Third order of 10 units at 1 week duration another two minutes later at same price. Last order of 1 unit at 1 day duration yet another minute or so later (newest, earliest expiry).
SiSi orders screenshot
Even if it doesn't matter which one you select, selected the 100-unit order to purchase from, just in case somebody has doubts. Purchased ONE single unit. Resulting orders : 999, 100, 10, 1
Still selected the 100 unit order. Attempted to purchase 1000 units from the 100 unit order. Only 100 units got purchased, but from the initial 1000 batch. Resulting orders : 899, 100, 10, 1
Placed instant buy order at the listed price for 900 units. Resulting orders : 99, 10, 1
Placed 1-day buy order for 105 units. Resulting orders : 4, 1
Placed 1-day buy order for 1 unit. Resulting orders : 3, 1
Pretty clear that order placement date/time matters, not order expiry date or anything else.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: PinkFish on 14/01/2011 21:45:14 I've never investigated it, but I believe the sequence of orders is determined by the way the price is set. When you use the market export button you can see that the first price is, say, 101.6600, the second order is then 101.6599. This would suggest that eve supports .0001ing as well as .01
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Rykker Bow
Gallente New Eden Advanced Experiments
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:50:00 -
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I can confirm Akita T's info. When orders are the same price, the one that has been on the market the longest gets filled.
If your item is on top then another trader places and order at the same price then your item is no longer on top but will get filled first.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: PinkFish I've never investigated it, but I believe the sequence of orders is determined by the way the price is set. When you use the market export button you can see that the first price is, say, 101.6600, the second order is then 101.6599. This would suggest that eve supports .0001ing as well as .01
Hmm, they do show up there too ? Never noticed. That confirms my untested suspicions I mentioned before, then _
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Torain
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Posted - 2011.01.15 00:16:00 -
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That's some interesting info about the extra decimal places.
For the past few years I've had a corporate wallet that I've tried emptying. The wallet lists that it has 0.01 ISK. When I try and purchase something or transfer the money, it tells me I have insufficient funds. I've added extra funds and tried to purchase or transfer in larger amounts, but always insufficient funds.
I guess Eve is rounding up in this case, but still storing the fact that I have less than 0.01 ISK in that wallet. I assume the same thing can happen with the main character wallet, so it would be possible to try and purchase something worth the exact amount of money in your account, but find out you don't really have enough.
Has anyone else tried to empty a wallet only to find that they can't get rid of the last 0.01 ISK?
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.15 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Torain
Has anyone else tried to empty a wallet only to find that they can't get rid of the last 0.01 ISK?
I have several corp wallet divisions with 0.01 ISK because there isn't enough ISK to transfer the last 0.01 ISK.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.15 00:49:00 -
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I also had at one time 20,000,000,000.00 ISK listed in my in-game wallet and on EVE-Mon, but due to different method of rounding (I can only assume), on eveboard it was listed as 19,999,999,999.99 _
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2011.01.15 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: PinkFish I've never investigated it, but I believe the sequence of orders is determined by the way the price is set. When you use the market export button you can see that the first price is, say, 101.6600, the second order is then 101.6599. This would suggest that eve supports .0001ing as well as .01
My vague recollection is that this was player-tested a while ago (maybe two years? I will see what I can dig up) and at that time (i) players could key in two extra digits (to four decimals), but the server did not appear to accept those two least significant digits, (ii) those least significant digits were not tied to order age, and (iii) order age was the only tie-breaking mechanism for same-priced Market orders (sameness being measured only to two decimal places).
One phenomenon that shows up at times is that two same-priced orders might be listed in the Market window is such a way that it appears that the newer order is "on top". However, the transaction was always matched to the older order, regardless of which was listed first.
Originally by: Torain Has anyone else tried to empty a wallet only to find that they can't get rid of the last 0.01 ISK?
I have, too. á á
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