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Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:29:00 - [1] I propose that CCP at earliest convenience gives us a fix ammount of opportunities, within a given time period (say, 3 times within the first month of creating the first new portrait) to redo our character. Following the General Discussion threads, people have reported problems with, and being dissatisified with their new looks. I know it is a cosmetic issue, and I am aware that it could mean some server strain, but please CCP, it would give ease of mind to many, many players. Thanks in advance.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:32:00 - [2] agreed
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:40:00 - [3] supporting my own proposal, naturally.
Johannes Buckbeak Minmatar Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:42:00 - [4] Well I support this too. Better still, I want my old face back.
Iilium	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:47:00 - [5] I support this fully as well. A lot of players (myself included) will be bound to make trial and error mistakes and I believe we deserve a second opportunity to correct any errors we've made during the character creation process.
Joshua Deakin	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:48:00 - [6] Absolutely. It way WAY too easy to make a halfwit with your first try. But it's as easy to do the same the second time if you can't continue where you left. I've been doing almost a hundred different characters during the beta and more than a few times the next day I go over the screenshots I see a lot of room for improvement. It's like asking Da Vinci to paint Mona Lisa in one hour...
SkyMeetGround	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:12:00 - [7] Edited by: SkyMeetGround on 18/01/2011 18:12:54 Agreed, my character looked fine initially from the view in the portrait creator, but certain details became more pronounced in the smaller version and now I'm not happy with the final product.
Alexis Du'Volle	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:28:00 - [8] Suggest reading around before you jump on the bandwagon http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1450614
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Alexis Du'Volle Suggest reading around before you jump on the bandwagon http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1450614 Saw it long after. Having to file a petition only puts more strain on the GMs though, hence the proposal to make it a part of the game.
Alexis Du'Volle	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Alexis Du'Volle Suggest reading around before you jump on the bandwagon http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1450614 Saw it long after. Having to file a petition only puts more strain on the GMs though, hence the proposal to make it a part of the game. Because CCP are totally able to make a patch that allows this, take the server down and release it at peak.
Jaik7	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:46:00 - [11] add this and give us tatoos
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Alexis Du'Volle Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Alexis Du'Volle Suggest reading around before you jump on the bandwagon http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1450614 Saw it long after. Having to file a petition only puts more strain on the GMs though, hence the proposal to make it a part of the game. Because CCP are totally able to make a patch that allows this, take the server down and release it at peak. It should not require any drastic change to the server side at all, at least nothing that requires more than a simple (even option) patch, and regular DT deployment.
Rodger Young	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Alexis Du'Volle Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Alexis Du'Volle Suggest reading around before you jump on the bandwagon http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1450614 Saw it long after. Having to file a petition only puts more strain on the GMs though, hence the proposal to make it a part of the game. Because CCP are totally able to make a patch that allows this, take the server down and release it at peak. It shouldn't be that hard to implement this during downtime. Takes a lot of strain of customer support if they did this
Commandante Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:14:00 - [14] Edited by: Commandante Caldari on 18/01/2011 19:20:15 /signed CCP should add a feature to the editor that once you defined the main look and shape of your character you can reload it - e.g. every 30 days - and change the posing, eventually clothes, hair style based on your original hair and other features to change your fashion style or secondary stuff not affecting the main anatomy ... plus capture a new portrait. This would give CCP the freedom to add more assets to the editor over the time and we are able to use it. The new editor took so much time to create, so why waste it for one time only and not using it again with limitations? For Incarna it just makes sense anyway. Actually I see a major problem that all the new chars look great and real. But that's not enough. Compared to the old toons they look too much like ordinary human beeings than "EVE Alien". CHECK THIS AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:15:00 - [15] It has been suggested plenty of times in the last months. We need the possibility to redo our portrait and the possibility to save a work in progress.
Tatius Jorgstern	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Tatius Jorgstern on 18/01/2011 19:37:35 I was initially under impression that each of the four snapshots will be randomly used at each log-on. The way the final stage of the character creator is set up is a little ambiguous and lacks clear instructions. As someone has already mentioned, putting this process through the petition system will put alot more strain on the GMs. All your fiery kernite are belong to us!
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:35:00 - [17] Agreed. It is was ridiculously unclear whether we would be allowed to have a redo.
sthymj Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.18 21:45:00 - [18] +1
Dark Tenshi Gallente Aeria Gloris Inc	Posted - 2011.01.18 21:56:00 - [19] /signed --- Best regards, Alexander "Angelius" Filippov, Technological Deep
Dlardrageth ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.18 21:58:00 - [20] Bah, how about making CCP re-do their char creator instead straight away? Not like this one is the shining pinnacle of current technology...
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:00:00 - [21] Supported.... the fact there's a time lag to have the system "Catch up" would be fair enough of a trade off. I don't see why they can't allow you to "Edit" your profile at-will. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
THERisingPHOENIX	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:43:00 - [22] Edited by: THERisingPHOENIX on 18/01/2011 23:43:44 Even though my avatar is perfect for me, I will agree. Like I said in other threads: "CCP should have clearly indicated that the 4 photos were to compare not to switch around ingame. Plus should add a "Are u sure warning box" before hitting the save button. =)" This will solve alot of problem and reduce avatar related petitions, I know they are gonna be very busy with the petition system this week. xD
Spirulina Laxissima TotalControl Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:01:00 - [23] I got as close to my original as I could, but for some reason the vherokior are now mongolians?! (nothing against mongolians, nice hardy people) Supported. (+.,_,.#¦¦`+.,_,.#¦¦`*+.,_,.#¦) ): Incarna be dammed!
Mina Hiragi School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:21:00 - [24] Agree. Sketchy on-screen help, plus the four photo things don't give a super accurate idea of how you're actually going to look on forums/chat windows/etc.
Nooodlzs The Hull Miners Union Random-Violence	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Nooodlzs on 19/01/2011 00:36:33
Daan Sai Polytrope	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:38:00 - [26] --------------------------------- Internet Submarines is Serious Business ---------------------------------
Alamar Caledane	Posted - 2011.01.19 02:41:00 - [27] Agreed and signed
Lagruna Zegata	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:10:00 - [28] Edited by: Lagruna Zegata on 19/01/2011 03:10:34 Agreed. It's difficult to tell exactly how you will appear in-game based on those 4 snapshots in the last creation screen. Some details I didn't desire became a bit more pronounced that otherwise didn't show on creation. Also, it's easy for a brand new pilot to make a new avatar by simply re-rolling a new pilot because no time has been spent training the pilot. It's an entirely different story when a vet has spent years training to 30-50 million SP's or more and is suddenly forced to make a high-stakes, prominent decision that lasts for eternity. ~LZ
Mike Azariah	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:34:00 - [29] while I am happy with my end result I agree some folks need some more chances to do the right face up . . . supported m
Ranka Mei	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:04:00 - [30] I wholeheartedly agree with this! Indeed, the documentation for the character creator has been severely lacking. I didn't even know you could do things with the editor until it was too late! Honestly, I'm usually not one to try and get free stuff; but in this case, I feel it's more than reasonable we get at least 1 free redo chance. Please, CCP, have a heart! :) Also, the page which will generate your actual portrait comes severely short on information (as overall, btw). Didn't realize you could zoom out there with the mouse-wheel (in a way that would affect the actual portrait). Or that you could tilt your head, and rotate 3D and such (the controls for which are purely a matter of guessing). A few guys experimenting a bit on youtube != official CCP documentation! I understand that time-constraints probably played a part in not getting the documentation done. Which is all the more sad, actually, as EVE's new character creator is, hands down, the very best in the industry! Honestly, I've never seen anything quite like it. I would call it quite a break-thru even. Mass Effect's equivalent, for example, is vastly, vastly inferior. Having said the above, and realizing the incredible importance our 3D character can play (immersion and role-play wise) with the upcoming Incarna, I can only reiterate my request that CCP please allow people a grace period to 'get it right,' figuring out stuff for themselves where the documentation has been lacking. --
Hepren D'narr MuroBBS United	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:12:00 - [31] What she said. ^
Deandra Walran	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Oh...my...god...nothing makes you people happy does it? ****ing deal with it already... This quote is appropriate here as well. I support this thread, too.
Grunp Trek	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:48:00 - [33] Agreed. I'm still waiting on a petition response from 12 hours ago so I can only imagine how long it will take til I can redo my avatar properly (after thinking I was able to redo it as many times as I liked during the grace period).
MNagy	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:27:00 - [34] Now I hope you can understand why I want to have 1 name change as well. Im stuck with this name for life - and didnt know it was gonna follow me for life. Same arguement for all who veto'd that idea. Misery likes company
Shiner Bock	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:27:00 - [35] I agree with the grace period, but it matters not to me if I am stripped of my tattoo's. Are we going to rewrite my Minmatar history. I feel naked and cheeted. If it was a desions between sunglasses or tattoo's, let me recycle these silly glasses. I know I am not he only Minmatar that feels this way.
Jita mcheck	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:39:00 - [36] Aye hair did not show up for me in the chreator so was hard to see what she would look like. hesitant to do my main atm for similar reason as i don't know what the portrait may look like. Need a line here
PhoenixDawn Forge Regional Security United Corporations Of Modern Eve	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:48:00 - [37] Wholly agreed. All of the options from the original character generator should have been available in the new one, at the very least, so that people have the option of replicating their initial characters if they so chose. Also... eye colors are washed out and terribly bland, likewise hair hues. Overall, it's pretty, but I'm far, far from satisfied with it. The old avatars should be kept in game until all of the options are returned and no 'forced change' implemented until such time.
Aeo IV Oneironautics Research Institute	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:51:00 - [38] supporting
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:55:00 - [39] Hair issue here as well.
princess abbie Aesir Empire	Posted - 2011.01.19 06:19:00 - [40] supporting this thread -------------------------------------------- Looking for someone to make me a proper sig
Sho neeta	Posted - 2011.01.19 07:12:00 - [41] yep
Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.01.19 07:21:00 - [42] Supported. This has been redicious. These aren't characters that can be sc****d when a mistake is made. These are years old characters! I'm actually angry about this. Get off your arse CCP. ------------------------
Rip Minner ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries	Posted - 2011.01.19 07:50:00 - [43] Support Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here.
Cassus Temon	Posted - 2011.01.19 08:28:00 - [44] Supported. Not for multiple opportunities, however; I believe everybody should be given the chance to recreate their character's once after 2 weeks. No more, and no less. I looked in local today, and found myself in agreement; with most of what you said, exception for that. It looks like a lot of player's just threw it together; while some took the time to think about it. I went for the latter myself; but, benefitted from practice on SISI as well. A lot of players didn't take the time or opportunity; to pop on SISI, and try the new Character Creator out. Some of what I saw, was of course awesome.
Roime	Posted - 2011.01.19 10:53:00 - [45] Considering the replies in the feedback threads, looks like a redo option should be offered. Instructions were not clear, and many people are very unhappy - supported
Jagga Spikes Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:01:00 - [46] supported. CC is way too powerful tool for most players. give us time to get it right. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Turrican Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:31:00 - [47] Agreed
Levi Alexander	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:45:00 - [48] Supported. I also strongly vote for a (one time only) change in race/bloodline, due to the big difference between the old and new choices.
Tarminuis	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:06:00 - [49] I agree with this.
Stegas Tyrano GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:23:00 - [50] I look bad.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:30:00 - [51] Edited by: Ranka Mei on 19/01/2011 13:31:37 Look at how my hair got messed up! To the left is my hair as seen when I log in; to the right is what apparently became my portrait. :( See the gross clipping errors? (part of her jacket protrudes thru her hair). I do not like that discrepancy. CCP, can't you rerender the forum portrait? (sans the clipping errors, onegai shimasu). Plus, the 4 thumbnails were way too small (and, as it turns out, not really WYSIWYG). Also, I like role-playing my char (MMORPG = Mostly Men Online Role Playing Girls). Seriously, though, I never really got to do RPG stuff in EVE; primarily, of course, because EVE hardly offered much in that way. With Incarna coming this may change, though. Allow me to let you in on a little public secret about role-playing folks: we are ueber-OCD when it comes to details, like... messed up hair, and/or other clipping errors. :) They need to go. Now, the EVE character creator is astoundingly beautiful. But it's obviously an unfinished product. It severely lacks in documentation, for one; and the snapshots lack in precision and detail (why, if you're not careful you'll make snapshot with your char's eyes closed); and it's larded with small bugs. The solution would have been easy: to postpone this patch. And people with a smidgen of foresight have been begging CCP for a delay. But their marketing department no doubt pushed it thru (from the people who gave you facebook voting). Problems you ingnore have a funny way of coming back to haunt you. QED. I can therefore only re-iterate my request that CCP take some responsibility for the character creation muck-ups that have occured; and that they gracefully allow people some time to 'get it right.' --
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:41:00 - [52] Supporting for obvious reasons :D ----------
Frey Stormcrow	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:00:00 - [53] +1
Tano Shii	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:04:00 - [54] Supported. +1
Beor0d Krupp-Stahl Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.01.21 21:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Tano Shii Supported. +1 _______________________ Support me and buy a GTC

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