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Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:41:00 - [31] I wouldn't use the word "racist" because that suggests a malice that I know is not there, but I really do think that CCP has been racially insensitive in its handling of the new character appearance options. I can certainly forgive a company based in Iceland of making mistakes around the issue, but I find it a lot harder to feel good about the response to feedback players from different backgrounds have given them. Certainly they've read about the extreme issues other northern european countries are dealing with with their large Turkish minorities, yet they've sort of euthanized the problem by making all sorts of european faces available but eliminating the Turks, or Iranians, or Sikhs, or A*anis or pacific Islanders. They've given a "token" nod to Africans yet even there they've fallen into the very racist notion of only using "house slave" skin color options (where mulattos' were given more favored treatment jobs because of their lighter skin (often but not always deriving from the ** of their mothers and grandmothers by slave owners)) The lower classes of south American and central American and Hispanic AmericanÆs are almost entirely absent as options (despite some close approximations that could be had with hair styles and skin color options) There is a racial line where you can play something close to Asians, but they are very fair skinned assians... much more so now after the patch. If you are of Asian decent from say the Philippines, or Samoa, or Indonesia you're too dark for CCP I think CCP(again being domiciled in homogeneous Iceland) is also unaware of the sorts of attitudes Japanese will have about Filipinos ... and even fair skinned fillipinos will have of the darker Filipinos from the provinces. Should I really care? I don't know. But being told that I shouldn't care is offensive. In the end I know I do care and its a subtle but persistent thing people from parts of the world encounter. I was barely able to get close to my families ethnics heritage before with my Jin Mei character before but he's way too light now and his facial features are much more Chinese. We darker players are proud of how we look and being faced with given choices of playing characters closer to ourselves feels right to some of us. There has been a long history of making a stand for this sort of thing in the United states.. making sure that little girls have barbie dolls (even if they do have rediculous bodies) with different skin colors, being sure that people in highly responsible positions like doctors or surgeons in TV shows are sometimes portrayed by African, Mexican, Asians etc. Making some omissions in a first run is understandable, but not responding to customer input is not understandable on the sensitive issue of race. No one wants to paint it as baldly as I am here . I'd have thought it would have been picked up on by reading more subtle comments and making corresponding changes. Adding options with corser hair, lower hair-lines, darker complexion to many of the designs you already have should not be difficult at all . Allowing players to switch their characters bloodlines or races to accommodate this issue if you prefer to address it in away where only one faction will accommodate more third world peoples appearances seems like a must to me too. Basically , CCP has all sorts of ways of addressing things while maintaining your creative license and budgets.... failing to take those steps makes a real statement about their racial concerns. Again, as I started, I am certain that CCP has good intentions (and has put real effort and money into third world relief) . I'm am sure this is a matter of understanding not intention yet the wax in the ears is problematic.
Djakku CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:42:00 - [32] I want to be Intaki, just because Gallente Gallente are so boring now... my fabulous hair style, gone, blue overals gone... This is not a signature.
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:43:00 - [33] I think we should be able to change our bloodline.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Eternal Error I think we should be able to change our bloodline. Me too! Voite here on the Assembly Hall!!
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:53:00 - [35] I support this idea, even a race change wouldn¦t be too bad as we (mostly) picked our characters for the looks and now the options are all mixed up again .. I want to be a Civire!
Merovee Amarr Gorthaur Legion	Posted - 2011.01.18 21:03:00 - [36] I wasn't happy about losing my toon face,but now I see the results and I like it. We now look like real people now and not like cartoons. The fringe can suck on lemons, time to grow up kiddies! Of Mordor
Sonya Smith	Posted - 2011.01.19 09:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Merovee I wasn't happy about losing my toon face,but now I see the results and I like it. We now look like real people now and not like cartoons. The fringe can suck on lemons, time to grow up kiddies! How... adult.
Maria Yi	Posted - 2011.01.19 09:27:00 - [38] Originally by: Black Leather Originally by: Mijano I want my character to resemble my looks in real life... So Make a new character. I did. Looks just like me :) Same here, it's a spitting image!
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.01.19 09:35:00 - [39] I think you should be able to change your sex and name (provided there is a history). you will probably be able to do so very soon through the beauty of μPLEX NO on microtransactions!
Vaishmael	Posted - 2011.01.19 09:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Emporer Jensen Krull Yes I do. Now I'm stuck with a chin dimple because I'm deteis and I hate it I would kill for a dimple chin, I have old man.. Everything.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.19 09:44:00 - [41] Don't see a reason why they could not have let you choose a bloodline. It would have given people more options and bloodlines do not effect anything these days.
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.19 09:49:00 - [42] Originally by: Forum Guy Don't see a reason why they could not have let you choose a bloodline. It would have given people more options and bloodlines do not effect anything these days. Yep, I want to be an Amarr or if I could pick another race, I'd want to be a Civire, they look by far the best.
Jenny Cameron Caldari Ordo Eventus	Posted - 2011.01.19 09:52:00 - [43] We should get a free bloodline -or even race- change. Vote here! Fact is that most of us picked a race/bloodline for its looks. Now the options have changed and the ideal character you want to make may be of a totally different race/bloodline. As skills or attributes don't matter anymore we should be free to re-make our characters from scratch, not be stuck with the limited new options the new editor gave us. ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread -
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.01.19 10:07:00 - [44] I think this character creator is industry ground breaking stuff, never mind the physics, they've managed to create the first character generator where the male characters are more interesting than the female. Change my bloodline? I want to change my gender.
Garde Kathun	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk I think this character creator is industry ground breaking stuff, never mind the physics, they've managed to create the first character generator where the male characters are more interesting than the female. Change my bloodline? I want to change my gender. Totally agree with you. I have been looking through forums a lot today and saw many interesting male avatars which immediatelly sends you a message about them. E.g. honourable battleship commander, weak-will pirate scum, etc. While females... well they look quite bland.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:08:00 - [46] Originally by: Garde Kathun While females... well they look quite bland. I beg your pardon?
Garde Kathun	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Anne Arqui I beg your pardon? Come to think about it, maybe it's because males are of different ages, and all females look like 20 students/office assistants.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk I think this character creator is industry ground breaking stuff, never mind the physics, they've managed to create the first character generator where the male characters are more interesting than the female. Change my bloodline? I want to change my gender. True most men characters in games are pretty dull. Probably because they were designed by men.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:05:00 - [49] Originally by: Anne Arqui Originally by: Garde Kathun While females... well they look quite bland. I beg your pardon? I think what he's saying is... it's exceptionally difficult to make a female character that does not look like it was squeezed out of the same Disney tube as all the others. You failed, I failed. I've seen less than 5 that had anything uniquely different about them. However, the variety in the male characters is staggering, like they have their life story written on their face, some of them are incredible.
Yiffi	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:15:00 - [50] Originally by: Diomedes Calypso I wouldn't use the word "racist" because that suggests a malice that I know is not there, but I really do think that CCP has been racially insensitive in its handling of the new character appearance options. You are a complete and utter moron.
Ilsendel	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Diomedes Calypso I wouldn't use the word "racist" because that suggests a malice that I know is not there, but I really do think that CCP has been racially insensitive in its handling of the new character appearance options. [more words] Basically , CCP has all sorts of ways of addressing things while maintaining your creative license and budgets.... failing to take those steps makes a real statement about their racial concerns. Again, as I started, I am certain that CCP has good intentions (and has put real effort and money into third world relief) . I'm am sure this is a matter of understanding not intention yet the wax in the ears is problematic. Omg. This is awesome lol. CCP is racist or racially insensitive because they didn't include options for every single possible ethnicity. Do you realize how expensive and time consuming that would be? The patch was over 3 gigs when installed......take a wild guess how big it would be when you add in every possible racial type or combo? If they DON'T add every possible type/combo, then someone is gonna be mad/upset. Add to that the apparent fact that they now must also work to ensure that their handful of players with autism will be upset without special considerations being made for them and their disabilities. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Let's drop the racial and handicapped crap. I agree that they should allow you to change bloodline, not because of racial or handicapped stuff, but because it was plainly evident that many people chose their bloodline back when that mattered. All it matters these days is for looks. Some people won't like the new look of their bloodline, and so the change should be allowed. You were locked into that choice BEFORE they changed the character looks, and now that the change has been made, they should allow you to change your bloodline. To the OP, if not having your character looking exactly perfect eats away at your mind that bad, how is it that you deal with playing in a game world where all of your most careful laid plans are ruined by someone else coming along with the express intent of ruining them? That's not an insult, I am truly curious on that.
Othran Ad Infernum	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:28:00 - [52] Edited by: Othran on 19/01/2011 13:28:38 Its very very amusing watching people from certain timezones becoming horrified when they realise what a Brutor is. Is it cos I is black? I'm not IRL but I don't have a problem with my main being black. Don't like the way you look then you have alts. The original "regional" grouping was (and I know it was but good luck finding dev comments 12 years old) : Amarr - Americas; Gallente - European/Caucasian/North Africa etc; Caldari - Asia; Minmatar - Africa.
Garde Kathun	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:54:00 - [53] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Originally by: Anne Arqui Originally by: Garde Kathun While females... well they look quite bland. I beg your pardon? I think what he's saying is... it's exceptionally difficult to make a female character that does not look like it was squeezed out of the same Disney tube as all the others. You failed, I failed. I've seen less than 5 that had anything uniquely different about them. However, the variety in the male characters is staggering, like they have their life story written on their face, some of them are incredible. Exactly!
Zuper Zpy	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:23:00 - [54] Changing bloodline is not really the issue here. What is the issue is that the Character Creator is too limited and we can't get the desired look which we are after without having the options that other races do. The CC function is a one off use and then you play the game, it's then virtually redundant for existing accounts. I predict that nothing will change as the storm subsides and people have to just grin and bear it untill they get used to it. CCP were not going to go to a great deal of trouble for something irrelevant to gameplay.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Zuper Zpy CCP were not going to go to a great deal of trouble for something irrelevant to gameplay. Characters irrelevant to gameplay? What kind of games do you play?
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:28:00 - [56] Originally by: Zuper Zpy Changing bloodline is not really the issue here. What is the issue is that the Character Creator is too limited and we can't get the desired look which we are after without having the options that other races do. Which is looking like other races and bloodlines. Originally by: Zuper Zpy The CC function is a one off use and then you play the game, it's then virtually redundant for existing accounts. I predict that nothing will change as the storm subsides and people have to just grin and bear it untill they get used to it. I won't grin, I will quit EVE over this if there's no change. It's no fun representing something I don't want to be especially while there's so much better options available - but not for me. Just because CCP decided I had to be extremely asian looking just like that. I think it's pretty rude, actually. Originally by: Zuper Zpy CCP were not going to go to a great deal of trouble for something irrelevant to gameplay. Aren't portraits irrelevant to gameplay anyway?
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Anne Arqui I won't grin, I will quit EVE over this if there's no change. It's no fun representing something I don't want to be especially while there's so much better options available - but not for me. Just because CCP decided I had to be extremely asian looking just like that. I think it's pretty rude, actually. You actually look kind of hot in a military sort of way. Originally by: Anne Arqui Aren't portraits irrelevant to gameplay anyway? Not really they remind you that you are more than just a pod.
Zuper Zpy	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Forum Guy Originally by: Zuper Zpy CCP were not going to go to a great deal of trouble for something irrelevant to gameplay. Characters irrelevant to gameplay? What kind of games do you play? No, not characters, Portraits, which is basically what this thread is about, not bloodlines or race. People just don't have the option to chose how they look. My point is that I doubt very much that CCP will do anything about it because they know that we WILL get over it. People will kick up a fuss and threaten to leave but I doubt that anyone who has played eve for years is going to manage without their daily fix. The only thing that would stop me playing would be if I wasn't able to play 4 toons simultaneously.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:42:00 - [59] Edited by: Anne Arqui on 19/01/2011 14:42:12 Originally by: Zuper Zpy People just don't have the option to chose how they look. My point is that I doubt very much that CCP will do anything about it because they know that we WILL get over it. People will kick up a fuss and threaten to leave but I doubt that anyone who has played eve for years is going to manage without their daily fix. Hm well that may be valid for you but I haven't played EVE since the last release, I don't bother to logon and play this way. I just post on the forums to show my discontent - and I'm not the only one, apparently. I just wonder what's CCP's big problem. Nothing would be easier than to make a new one, swap the names and done. Even if it's for PLEX or a fee. They could just post some comment, not pretend the discontent and irritation just doesn't exist for months now (it was already mentioned in the 1st Sisi feedback thread back in october 2010!!). I'm VERY disapppointed!
Zuper Zpy	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:53:00 - [60] Edited by: Zuper Zpy on 19/01/2011 14:55:36 Originally by: Anne Arqui Edited by: Anne Arqui on 19/01/2011 14:42:12 Originally by: Zuper Zpy People just don't have the option to chose how they look. My point is that I doubt very much that CCP will do anything about it because they know that we WILL get over it. People will kick up a fuss and threaten to leave but I doubt that anyone who has played eve for years is going to manage without their daily fix. Hm well that may be valid for you but I haven't played EVE since the last release, I don't bother to logon and play this way. I just post on the forums to show my discontent - and I'm not the only one, apparently. I just wonder what's CCP's big problem. Nothing would be easier than to make a new one, swap the names and done. Even if it's for PLEX or a fee. They could just post some comment, not pretend the discontent and irritation just doesn't exist for months now (it was already mentioned in the 1st Sisi feedback thread back in october 2010!!). I'm VERY disapppointed! Not trying to be smart here, but why would the subject of this topic bother you if you dont play? Or are you being like the leader of the opposition party. Whatever the other side does you will oppose it out of principle ;) BTW I noticed that you did log on to download your new avatar.

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