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Spaceman Stu	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Spaceman Stu on 19/01/2011 03:06:31 ok so her is my current fit plan True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laserá True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laserá True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laserá True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laserá Auto Targeter IIá Small Tractor Beam I [MEDIUM] Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, optimal range Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, tracking speed Pith X-Type X-large shield boosterá Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier True Sansha Heavy Cap Booster, cap charge 800 Caldari navy invuln field Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field [LOW] True Sansha Heat Sinká True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink domination tracking enhancer cap lasts 2 min 51 sec with all stable with guns only stable with tank only it gets just over 1k DPS w/o drones this is my first fit so be easy I was wondering what I should have the tracking computer scripts on any suggestions would be very appreciated also please don't just say "your fit sucks, use mine." I want help with MY fit... thanks!
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:12:00 - [2] Overtanked and too expensive. My nightmare is all tech 2 fit except the heatsinks. I can afford the expensive mods, but I don't need them. Hell, even the rigs on mine aren't what I would put on it, but it came rigged...and I don't see a reason to rip out the rigs because it works fine as is. Hell, I've gone with fits that only tank -maybe- 200-250 dps and that works fine as long as you're ganking the npcs and lowering the dps.
Spaceman Stu	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:58:00 - [3] thanks for the reply and I explained the expensive modules above. but are there any other suggestions you have? or for that matter anyone? I just want to know if it is a good fit for lvl 4s. thanks
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Spaceman Stu thanks for the reply and I explained the expensive modules above. but are there any other suggestions you have? or for that matter anyone? I just want to know if it is a good fit for lvl 4s. thanks it is pretty much the cookie cutter pve nightmare fit. I'd just swap the boost amp for another hardener.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2011.01.19 07:53:00 - [5] What sort of tracking scripts you need to use depend on the tactical situation, think of it as a variable TE. Generally, you'd want to use MF as much as possible, so use 1-2 Optimal scripts if target falls outside MF optimal (anything over +5km optimal). Swap to all Tracking scripts when they're under 30km. If you're tanking Sansha/Blood with that setup, replace the SBA with a 3rd hardener. The resist hole is too large to benefit from SBA, you'll end up burning much more cap. Where are the rigs? Typically CCCs or mix of T2 Elutriation + CCCs. Full cap boosted boats generally also fit CDCS over CCCs. One last note, your guns are not stable without a cap boost for anything over 10mins sustained fire (without even touching your shields) - assuming you've got only CCC rigs fitted. The endurance is extended to over 15mins with the T2 Elutrition + CCC mix. If you blitz, it's a lesser concern but if you run the full course, there are easily several missions where it will put a strain on your cap booster charges.
Spaceman Stu	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:05:00 - [6] ok i have 3ccc rigs but is there better rigs to use? also what should i switch the SBA out for i appreciate the above suggestions.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:12:00 - [7] I fly my Nightmare with T2 Mega Pulses, maybe you should try them too. They have a more limited range to 45-60km with Scorch L, whats ok, for that they are much easier to fit allowing you a heavy neutralizer + tank mods and they require not that much cap. My one is completely x-type/officer and T2 CCC fitted and I'm doing sansha anomalies with it. 6/10 is working solo too without issues.
Spaceman Stu	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:40:00 - [8] i dont want to use mega pulses if i did i would get a paladin. so should i put another tracking comp in or an ab or another hardener?
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:58:00 - [9] this question can answer only you. If your tank works, a tracking comp is not that bad idea... or cap recharger maybe?
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2011.01.19 16:20:00 - [10] Change the tracking comps for a point and web / the enhancer for a dcu / and the tachs for pulses and you have a nightmare
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.01.19 16:47:00 - [11] What no DC?
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.01.19 17:30:00 - [12] Your fit will be a gank magnet, and as said, it's probably overtanked. If you're worried about cap use, switch to faction tachs. You lose about 2.5% DPS in return for reducing cap use by 25%. In terms of the actual number of shots required to kill the rats, the difference is negligible. I used a faction AB, faction tachs and a T2 tank on my 'mare, and I didn't use a cap booster either. In fact I think one of the hardeners was a named one for a long while because I couldn't be bothered to change it. The Nightmare literally murders the rats so fast they barely get a chance to damage you in 90% of missions. In the end I put a Pith B-type XL on it because I just felt the ship deserved it, and they're pretty cheap for what is effectively a T2 booster with a free boost amp built in. As well as being convenient for those missions where you have to trudge 50Km to the gate, the domi AB is also a useful tracking mod... If you want to spend some ISK on your Nightmare, get a rack of +5% hardwirings; +5% RoF (slot 7), +5% energy turret damage (slot 10), +5% tracking (slot 9), along with +5% cap recharge (slot 6) and capacitor (slot 8). The RoF and tracking implants especially will bring your real damage up more than is at first obvious. The fit I had when I sold it was this (plus the above implants), and it was capable of doing any mission with ease. I'm not even saying that it's the totally optimal fit, only that there is no mission you will not be able to do in it. [Nightmare, Mission] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Domination 100MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Sell the X-type stuff and use the ISK to buy hardwirings and cheap faction stuff. Keep the change and use it towards whatever goal you're missioning to fund. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Hephaesteus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.01.19 18:08:00 - [13] Malcanis's Fit is very similar to mine except for the mids and rigs. 1x Gist B-type XL shield booster 1x Invulnerability field T2 1x Thermal hardener T2 1x EM hardener T2 1x Shield Boost Amp or an AB 1x Sensor Booster T2. I keep both scripts in cargo hold although I usually use the tracking script. 1x Cap Booster, 800's 3x CCC These let me run the guns and the hardeners while the caps are for the shield booster only. Never get close to running out of them because this ship kills the rats really quick.
Spaceman Stu	Posted - 2011.01.19 20:34:00 - [14] new setup highs 4x tachyon II auto targeter salvager mediums 3x shadow serpents tracking com(2 optimal range 1track speed) pith x type xlarge booster pith x ballistic deflection Calgary navy invuln cap booster lows 4x true sansha heatsinks DCU II
Estella Vance	Posted - 2011.01.19 20:44:00 - [15] Nightmare

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