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Weena Mercator
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Posted - 2011.01.19 17:52:00 -
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Seems to me, "fixing" Sleeper neuts has just sealed the fate of the other T3s. Now the only worthwhile fit is a passive Tengu/Loki.
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eek amouse
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: eek amouse on 19/01/2011 18:03:40
my thoughts are that T3s are already 100mil more now than what i paid for mine and i don't like it. :[ |
Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:46:00 -
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I think the price rise is due to the ton of people with SP to spend on T3 skills recently, plus fears about the neuting having a knock on effect on nanoribbon prices and t3 manufacture. Also, Passive shields can't be the only future for solo c3s, there's probably plenty of T3s and CS that can still tank fine if you can cope with not running all your tank when you don't need to, those fits were probably overkill and overpimped because of it. |
PsyKzz
Minmatar
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:59:00 -
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Im sure the dual rep smalls where pretty good.
PsyK
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:48:00 -
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Theres 6 classes of wormholes with 6 effects.
Which ones were you refering to?
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Cipher Jones
Theres 6 classes of wormholes with 6 effects.
Which ones were you refering to?
All of them. Sleepers now drain your capacitor "as was intended."
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Emperor Salazar
Caldari
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:41:00 -
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You can easily fit a cap injected tengu for C3 and be fine.
In all honesty, wormholes weren't really meant to be solo'd. C4 and above should be done with buddies. Even C3 should require a partner for the uninitiated.
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Nanferr
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:45:00 -
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well anyone not using a tengu t3 between t3's to pve was full of fail anyways. Just adapt already, instead of taking the shortcut of using sub-par t3's
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:15:00 -
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Legion likes to **** all over your ability to deal with frigates, mr tengu. And not need or waste ammo.  |
Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:24:00 -
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Just get a carrier. Apparently neuting isn't working on them
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Zelkova Serra
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:29:00 -
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Wouldn't a nighthawk work as well? Just as far as passive tanks go, that is. |
Nanferr
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:34:00 -
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Quote:
Legion likes to **** all over your ability to deal with frigates, mr tengu.
Stuff with no cap, wont shoot :)
Wbo cares if you are good versus frigs anyways. CN Missiles insta pop's frigs anyways.
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Bibosikus
Gallente
Universal Moose Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Bibosikus on 20/01/2011 12:22:20
I tested on SIS for two days prior to Tuesday's release and I've since run a dozen C2& C3 anomalies and a C3 radar solo in an an active-tanked Legion.
Neuting in C1-C3 is easily dealt with, solo, by a 55-60% cap stable active tank. Tengu and Legion have no problem. C4 is harder since soloing anoms in there (in Tengu) up till now have required a bit of dps tank as well, so 6 bay slots and no cap regen sub. Overall though, neuting isn't anywhere near as bad as the scaremongers implied. I ran a C4 Frontier Barracks in a T2-fitted Tengu without a problem, even with 3 Upholder BS neuting me in the 2nd wave. It took 50 minutes to complete though :S
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Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
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Posted - 2011.01.21 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Drakarin on 21/01/2011 09:53:54
Originally by: Emperor Salazar
You can easily fit a cap injected tengu for C3 and be fine.
In all honesty, wormholes weren't really meant to be solo'd. C4 and above should be done with buddies. Even C3 should require a partner for the uninitiated.
A hyper-advanced Tech 3 equivalent PvE solopwnmobile (as it should be) ship made from the same technology as the sleepers in question should EASILY be able to do any C3 solo.
I agree, C4 and up is clearly designed for groups. But I see no reason why they had to go and mess up the lower classes which were the haven for soloers.
Some people enjoy playing alone, CCP. It also doesn't help that two people running a C3 is horrible isk per hour. I can easily make more running missions. The same problem falls for Level 5s. If you absolutely must have your ridiculous universe where no one ever solo's and we're all a big happy well-oiled machine, at least make it so the high end content yields better results than level 4 missions. Especially considering the risk of a wormhole, where even bubbles can be dropped. (Yeah the Tengu can fit a interdiction nullifier but you have to sacrifice a low slot for it).
This patch was nothing more than a nerf to solo PvE. As if soloing needed yet another nerf, without even involving PvP. Sigh.
Originally by: Bibosikus
Edited by: Bibosikus on 20/01/2011 12:22:20
I tested on SIS for two days prior to Tuesday's release and I've since run a dozen C2& C3 anomalies and a C3 radar solo in an an active-tanked Legion.
Neuting in C1-C3 is easily dealt with, solo, by a 55-60% cap stable active tank. Tengu and Legion have no problem. C4 is harder since soloing anoms in there (in Tengu) up till now have required a bit of dps tank as well, so 6 bay slots and no cap regen sub. Overall though, neuting isn't anywhere near as bad as the scaremongers implied. I ran a C4 Frontier Barracks in a T2-fitted Tengu without a problem, even with 3 Upholder BS neuting me in the 2nd wave. It took 50 minutes to complete though :S
I can easily fit a Tengu that will deal with any neuting and damage that is coming in now. But I'd have to sacrifice a CNBCU or two to do it, which means it will take much longer to run the same site. My income will remain close to the same, because the price of the loot and salvage will rise. However the risk is increased. You get either the same isk per hour as you did before or slightly less, and yet the risk has increased two fold. Also, because of this, some sites simply cannot be soloed anymore. Two upholder battleships repping each other cannot be done in a Tengu if you have to sacrifice so much damage.
The point is simple. This is a blatant nerf, for no reason other to slap soloers in the face. I'm truly astonished no one else seems bothered by this.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Salazar
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A hyper-advanced Tech 3 equivalent PvE solopwnmobile (as it should be) ship made from the same technology as the sleepers in question should EASILY be able to do any C3 solo.
Why should it be easily soloable? You're up against a compliment of high performance frigates, cruisers and battleships in a lone cruiser...
However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs.
second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:52:00 -
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Maybe you guys should actually do a bit more research on the neuting capabilities of the Sleepers. 
Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it?
Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
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Posted - 2011.01.21 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Originally by: Emperor Salazar
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A hyper-advanced Tech 3 equivalent PvE solopwnmobile (as it should be) ship made from the same technology as the sleepers in question should EASILY be able to do any C3 solo.
Why should it be easily soloable? You're up against a compliment of high performance frigates, cruisers and battleships in a lone cruiser...
Because the ship is made from the same technology as those sleepers, but piloted by a demi-god pod pilot. That's the lore reason.
Gameplay wise, PvE is the haven of the soloer. Now CCP wants to take that away from us too. The hell do we have left?
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.21 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Maybe you guys should actually do a bit more research on the neuting capabilities of the Sleepers.
Awesome, thanks for providing the link.
In short: it seems that if you're a big boy and don't suck at life, the addition of sleeper neuting shouldn't affect your ability to solo significantly.
ששששש
Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object
When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
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Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
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Posted - 2011.01.21 18:47:00 -
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It just makes it more annoying, and decreases your dps so it takes longer and prevents you from doing the harder sites because of dual repping upholder battleships. All of this, with no increase to isk per hour. Slap in the fast to soloers. At least have the balls to admit it.
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Joethelions
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.01.21 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Drakarin
All of this, with no increase to isk per hour.
Are you really this stupid?
Honestly, don't they require economics during your secondary education wherever you are from?
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Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:15:00 -
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I still have no problems doing C3's in my Tech 1 Active tanked Harbringer.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Murev Vorchilde
Caldari
End Game.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Joethelions
Originally by: Drakarin
All of this, with no increase to isk per hour.
Are you really this stupid?
Honestly, don't they require economics during your secondary education wherever you are from?
Does any country?
now that would be cool
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How Id Fix
Secret world of pensioners |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Joethelions
Originally by: Drakarin
All of this, with no increase to isk per hour.
Are you really this stupid?
Honestly, don't they require economics during your secondary education wherever you are from?
Next up: the mystery of why miners are so poor when there's so much ore about and it's so easy to mine.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Drakarin on 23/01/2011 02:22:31
Edited by: Drakarin on 23/01/2011 02:21:29
Edited by: Drakarin on 23/01/2011 02:20:37
Originally by: Joethelions
Originally by: Drakarin
All of this, with no increase to isk per hour.
Are you really this stupid?
Honestly, don't they require economics during your secondary education wherever you are from?
Price of loot and salvage goes up because it's harder to acquire and there's less of it, but the time to acquire it goes up as well because to passive tank a tengu you must sacrifice dps. It will balance itself out in the end, so the isk per hour should be virtually the same. It may be slightly more, or slightly less. The only real difference is the risk is increased because you're forced to stay in the most dangerous uncharted space for even longer. I'd suggest you take economics 101 before trying to insult me.
Again, this is a nerf to solo play. If it should stay or not, that's debatable, just don't deny it.
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Kerowyn's
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Posted - 2011.01.23 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kerowyn''s on 23/01/2011 04:38:01
Originally by: Drakarin
Edited by: Drakarin on 23/01/2011 02:22:31
Edited by: Drakarin on 23/01/2011 02:21:29
Edited by: Drakarin on 23/01/2011 02:20:37
Originally by: Joethelions
Originally by: Drakarin
All of this, with no increase to isk per hour.
Are you really this stupid?
Honestly, don't they require economics during your secondary education wherever you are from?
Price of loot and salvage goes up because it's harder to acquire and there's less of it, but the time to acquire it goes up as well because to passive tank a tengu you must sacrifice dps. It will balance itself out in the end, so the isk per hour should be virtually the same. It may be slightly more, or slightly less. The only real difference is the risk is increased because you're forced to stay in the most dangerous uncharted space for even longer. I'd suggest you take economics 101 before trying to insult me.
Again, this is a nerf to solo play. If it should stay or not, that's debatable, just don't deny it.
no its a nerf to old content and ccp want you to play with the new content |
Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
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Posted - 2011.01.23 07:48:00 -
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I suppose that's a possibility too. Although I don't think CCP would operate like that. They don't like soloers, so they obviously curtail every possible avenue one would take if you went alone, and make sure it's as hard as possible for those people.
However new content is new content, if you don't play it right away or aren't interested in it, they won't care much. |
Niveon
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Posted - 2011.01.23 12:25:00 -
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Explain lvl4 missions then. |
Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
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Posted - 2011.01.23 15:34:00 -
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Level 4 missions are just about risk free. I don't care what they do to them to be honest. I'm talking about solo content involving extreme risk being nerfed for soloers without any reason beyond making it harder for harders sake. |
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