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Madcat Adams Amarr Romulan Technologies Limited	Posted - 2011.01.19 19:00:00 - [1] Throwing together an expendable Battlecruiser. Expecting to work in small fleets with both friends and pick up groups. So my desighn is intended to be flexiable. Please comment, with suggestions or critiques. Hi: 7x Focused Medium Pulse Laser IIs, 1x Gang Assist module (Evasive Manuvers) Mid: 10mn Afterburner II, Tracking Computer II, 2x CR IIs Low: MAR II, DCU II, 2 EANMs, 1600mm Rolled Tungestin Plate, Heatsink II Rigs: CCC, Auxillary Nano Pump, Energy Collision Accelerator Had to use a 3% implanet to get everything to fit. And usually wouldn't go with focused medium pluses, but was having a real pain fitting the gang assit module with both weapons and tank. Downgrading not only let me fix the 1600mm plate over a 800, but freed a rig for the damadge bonus.
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.20 04:12:00 - [2] Edited by: Target Painter on 20/01/2011 04:11:57 I've not yet run a site where local tanking was possible. Too much neuting, too much damage. Ditch the MAR and put on an explosive hardener and let logis be your tank.
Adophnil Amarr Dark Reality Unified Dead Man's Hand.	Posted - 2011.01.20 06:44:00 - [3] Additionally ditch the bad rigs, trimark up, and consider 2nd heatsink rather than explosive plug if you have good logi.
Tusen Takk BlackHole Surfers	Posted - 2011.01.20 16:34:00 - [4] Edited by: Tusen Takk on 20/01/2011 16:36:56 Edited by: Tusen Takk on 20/01/2011 16:35:43 Sansha pewpew with EM and Therm, so you really dont need an explosive hardener at all [Harbinger, BelysningGud] Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Stasis Webifier I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 [empty med slot] [empty high slot] Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead I x5 add an mwd if you want, gets about 650dps with conflag
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.20 16:41:00 - [5] Edited by: Sader Rykane on 20/01/2011 16:43:25 Originally by: Tusen Takk Edited by: Tusen Takk on 20/01/2011 16:36:56 Edited by: Tusen Takk on 20/01/2011 16:35:43 Sansha pewpew with EM and Therm, so you really dont need an explosive hardener at all [Harbinger, BelysningGud] Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Stasis Webifier I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 [empty med slot] [empty high slot] Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead I x5 add an mwd if you want, gets about 650dps with conflag Sansha Rats and Incursion rats are completely different. They shoot ALL damage types, the same way sleepers do. EDIT Nvm, you're trolling you suggested using Conflag ammo. You got me man, you're pretty slick. EDIT #2 Oh my God I actually just looked at your fit...
Tusen Takk BlackHole Surfers	Posted - 2011.01.20 16:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Sader Rykane Edited by: Sader Rykane on 20/01/2011 16:42:10 Originally by: Tusen Takk Edited by: Tusen Takk on 20/01/2011 16:36:56 Edited by: Tusen Takk on 20/01/2011 16:35:43 Sansha pewpew with EM and Therm, so you really dont need an explosive hardener at all [Harbinger, BelysningGud] Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Stasis Webifier I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 [empty med slot] [empty high slot] Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead I x5 add an mwd if you want, gets about 650dps with conflag Sansha Rats and Incursion rats are completely different. They shoot ALL damage types, the same way sleepers do. EDIT Nvm, you're trolling you suggested using Conflag ammo. You got me man, you're pretty slick. B) if the incursions are going to be like sleepers but not as awesome of loot drop then i have no idea why anyone would want to do them **** that
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.20 16:45:00 - [7] Sleepers drop tags, how is that awesome?
Tusen Takk BlackHole Surfers	Posted - 2011.01.20 16:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Sader Rykane Sleepers drop tags, how is that awesome? salvage i meant you can make around a bil per site after salvaging in a C3 and doing it solo OR you can gang up with everyone in the region, pewpew some sanshas, and get nothing out of it since someone will steal the mommy bp
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.20 16:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Tusen Takk Originally by: Sader Rykane Sleepers drop tags, how is that awesome? salvage i meant you can make around a bil per site after salvaging in a C3 and doing it solo OR you can gang up with everyone in the region, pewpew some sanshas, and get nothing out of it since someone will steal the mommy bp 1 billion per sleeper site? Nothing for incursions? Seriously, give me some of that hash your smoking because its clearly some really good **. I mean **, it makes conflag good ammo, sleepers drop actual loot, passive armor tanking PvE a GREAT idea, incursions not give anything (NO CONCORD LP AND ISK AMIRITE?) and sansha incursion rats ONLY shoot EM/THERM , and Class 3 wormhole drop ONE BILLION ISK each site!
Tusen Takk BlackHole Surfers	Posted - 2011.01.20 16:57:00 - [10] obviously you take me far too seriously regarding the fit, and as for the bill per site, Jita isnt the only place in the world good day sir :)

Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.20 17:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Tusen Takk obviously you take me far too seriously regarding the fit, and as for the bill per site, Jita isnt the only place in the world good day sir :) Show me this land of magical unicorns that can take class 3 sleeper sites that are usually worth only 35-75 mil per site and make them worth 1 billion isk PER site, and where trying to passive tank armor for PvE becomes the #1 way to play. Alright let me get serious for a moment: You're an idiot, stop posting. Your fits are bad, you have no idea what you're talking about and you would be doing us all a favor if you never posted again.
Tusen Takk BlackHole Surfers	Posted - 2011.01.20 17:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Tusen Takk obviously you take me far too seriously regarding the fit, and as for the bill per site, Jita isnt the only place in the world good day sir :) Show me this land of magical unicorns that can take class 3 sleeper sites that are usually worth only 35-75 mil per site and make them worth 1 billion isk PER site, and where trying to passive tank armor for PvE becomes the #1 way to play. Alright let me get serious for a moment: You're an idiot, stop posting. Your fits are bad, you have no idea what you're talking about and you would be doing us all a favor if you never posted again. OR im just really really good at ****ing you off now stop derailing the thread you trollbait eater
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.20 17:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Tusen Takk Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Tusen Takk obviously you take me far too seriously regarding the fit, and as for the bill per site, Jita isnt the only place in the world good day sir :) Show me this land of magical unicorns that can take class 3 sleeper sites that are usually worth only 35-75 mil per site and make them worth 1 billion isk PER site, and where trying to passive tank armor for PvE becomes the #1 way to play. Alright let me get serious for a moment: You're an idiot, stop posting. Your fits are bad, you have no idea what you're talking about and you would be doing us all a favor if you never posted again. OR im just really really good at **ing you off now stop derailing the thread you trollbait eater **ing me off? Hardly, but you do a fantastic job of making yourself look completely clueless about this game.
Tusen Takk BlackHole Surfers	Posted - 2011.01.20 17:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Tusen Takk Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Tusen Takk obviously you take me far too seriously regarding the fit, and as for the bill per site, Jita isnt the only place in the world good day sir :) Show me this land of magical unicorns that can take class 3 sleeper sites that are usually worth only 35-75 mil per site and make them worth 1 billion isk PER site, and where trying to passive tank armor for PvE becomes the #1 way to play. Alright let me get serious for a moment: You're an idiot, stop posting. Your fits are bad, you have no idea what you're talking about and you would be doing us all a favor if you never posted again. OR im just really really good at **ing you off now stop derailing the thread you trollbait eater **ing me off? Hardly, but you do a fantastic job of making yourself look completely clueless about this game. :)
n00n3r Caldari Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.20 21:05:00 - [15] Edited by: n00n3r on 20/01/2011 21:06:34 Originally by: Madcat Adams Edited by: Madcat Adams on 20/01/2011 05:25:21 Throwing together an expendable Battlecruiser. Expecting to work in small fleets with both friends and pick up groups. So my desighn is intended to be flexiable. Please comment, with suggestions or critiques. Hi: 7x Focused Medium Pulse Laser IIs, 1x Gang Assist module (Evasive Manuvers) Mid: 10mn Afterburner II, Tracking Computer II, 2x CR IIs Low: MAR II, DCU II, 2 EANM IIs, 1600mm Rolled Tungestin Plate, Heatsink II Rigs: CCC, Auxillary Nano Pump, Energy Collision Accelerator Had to use a 3% implanet to get everything to fit. And usually wouldn't go with focused medium pluses, but was having a real pain fitting the gang assit module with both weapons and tank. Downgrading not only let me fix the 1600mm plate over a 800, but freed a rig for the damadge bonus. As the first couple posters have stated, local tanking is a bad idea, your fleet should be running remote rep. A logistics will help, but you will still need remote rep for when the Logi gets aggro. speed tanking generally doesn't work in Incursion sites.. the reason for this is the remote rep coupled with the fact that the rats will web someone in the fleet causing everyone to slow down in order to keep everyone in RR range. So you can toss that afterburner if u wish. You are however on the right track with you tracking speed mods. Incursion rats are notoriously hard to hit. Also, confirming that Incursion rats do OMNI Damage. Ciao n00n
Madcat Adams Amarr Romulan Technologies Limited	Posted - 2011.01.20 21:39:00 - [16] Originally by: n00n3r Edited by: n00n3r on 20/01/2011 21:06:34 As the first couple posters have stated, local tanking is a bad idea, your fleet should be running remote rep. A logistics will help, but you will still need remote rep for when the Logi gets aggro. speed tanking generally doesn't work in Incursion sites.. the reason for this is the remote rep coupled with the fact that the rats will web someone in the fleet causing everyone to slow down in order to keep everyone in RR range. So you can toss that afterburner if u wish. You are however on the right track with you tracking speed mods. Incursion rats are notoriously hard to hit. Also, confirming that Incursion rats do OMNI Damage. Ciao n00n Should I ditch the gang mod for a remote repper then?
n00n3r Caldari Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.20 21:42:00 - [17] Edited by: n00n3r on 20/01/2011 21:42:51 having someone in fleet with gang mods is very nice. Having a dedicated command ship is better of course. but gang mods are not a "must have", good remote rep however, is. If you are not sure that the fleet has enough rep already, go with the remote rep.
Madcat Adams Amarr Romulan Technologies Limited	Posted - 2011.01.25 06:43:00 - [18] I've modified my desighn based on the advise given in the thread. It's still not exactly my ideal desighn. But it seems to be starting to come together, and well.. time seems to be up. So this will be flying tommorow after any last moment tweeks. Hi: 6x Heavy Pulse IIs 1x Medium RR II 1x Small Nos II Med: 1x Stasis web II 3x CR IIs Low: 1x DC II 2x EAMN IIs 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungestin 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x HS II Rigs: 1x Ancilliary current router 2x trimark armour pumps The nos fills a empty slot. Bigger would be nice, but pg is running tight as is. Too tight for anything else I could find to put in high, with any use.
n00n3r Caldari Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.25 07:11:00 - [19] it's not bad. Does that ship have an explosive hole in the armor resists? if so I would drop one of the weapon mods and fill it. A bigger buffer would serve you well also, if you can.
Madcat Adams Amarr Romulan Technologies Limited	Posted - 2011.01.25 10:23:00 - [20] Not a hole precisely. Explposive is within 2% of Kinetic. Their both lower than the others by a margin however. Another EAMN II looks like it would be good, almost 25% more ehp. Let me run some tests, see which is worth more to keep. The weapon mod, or the DC II.



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