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Surgicalshot
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:00:00 -
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So just started watching the show on netflix ( awsome show btw ) i was wondering what could the gallactica be compared to? would it be around the size of a battleship or carrier or what? also what ship most resembles it?
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Boma Airaken
White Song
Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:03:00 -
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Missiles, autocannons, and drones.
Typhoon.
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Sp4rt4nII70
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:04:00 -
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Probably a carrier. (Although Battlestar is a class in the series I think)
As for what ship looks like it... None I'm afraid.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:07:00 -
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Take two Hels and glue them to the sides of a Ragnarok.
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Culmen
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
Syndicate.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 22/01/2011 05:09:42
Galactica is battleship sized.
It's 1438.64m long
That about the same length as the Maelstrom, but not as high.
Then again, most of the Mael's height comes from the wingy bits.
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Tiberius Amzadee
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:19:00 -
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The wingy bits? They do have a proper name you know.
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io0olilo0oi
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:21:00 -
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It's an arbitrator
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Kronic Offender
Minmatar
Antithesis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:23:00 -
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Most closely resembles a mammoth.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Kronic Offender
Most closely resembles a mammoth.
Bigger than a mammoth. Size, shape and outline of a Mach. Obviously functionality is different, trying to find a counterpart of it in eve is like comparing apples to oranges.
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Exarch Rakanis
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:29:00 -
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A but like a Mach?
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Pearre Dash
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Kronic Offender
Most closely resembles a mammoth.
Bigger than a mammoth. Size, shape and outline of a Mach. Obviously functionality is different, trying to find a counterpart of it in eve is like comparing apples to oranges.
No, it's a Typhoon.
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Sp4rt4nII70
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:38:00 -
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You are right, it probably resembles a Mach.
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Zamvan Dal
Gallente
TWiZTED CHAOZ
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zamvan Dal on 22/01/2011 05:42:22
Always thought the Retty and Hulk looked like BSG ships.
Or a mammoth. BSG is the same length as a mammoth so...
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Renee Adoree
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:42:00 -
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saying its a mach is silly its not a faction ship
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Vabjekf
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:47:00 -
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Its one of those silly hybrid battleship+carriers that only silly navies have bothered with because they are bad ideas.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.01.22 05:51:00 -
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Here, for you nerds.
http://www.eve-files.com/media/0603/compilation.jpg
It only has the 1978 Galactica. The new one is fatter and longer, at 1445 instead of 1265 meters.
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Cydori
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cydori on 22/01/2011 06:04:52
None. The Battlestar Galactica is, at least in concept, the type of capital ship a space empire might actually build. It has tremendous point defenses, a long-range strike capability (nuclear missiles), formidable long-range sensors, the ability to make long-rang jumps independent of outside aid, and by design is nearly immune to ECM. Of course, its main hitting power comes in the form of two full wings of fighter-bombers supported by scout and command ships. In short, it's something like a really advanced version of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier on steroids.
In stark contrast, all of EVE's ships gimped right from the start in an effort to keep various classes viable and "fair," whatever fair is supposed to be. The end result is that EVE is very nearly relegated to being a complex game of rock-paper-scissors.
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Czeris
Bad Kitty Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:52:00 -
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Kick Battlestars.
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Tar Ecthelion
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cydori
Edited by: Cydori on 22/01/2011 06:09:49
None. The Battlestar Galactica is, at least in concept, the type of capital ship a space empire might actually build. It has tremendous point defenses, a long-range strike capability (nuclear missiles), formidable tank, long-range sensors, the ability to make long-rang jumps independent of outside aid, and by design is nearly immune to ECM. Of course, its main hitting power comes in the form of two full wings of fighter-bombers supported by an organic compliment of scout and command ships. In short, it's something like a really advanced version of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier on steroids.
In stark contrast, all of EVE's ships are gimped right from the start in an effort to keep various classes viable and "fair," whatever fair is supposed to be. The end result is that EVE is very nearly relegated to being a complex game of rock-paper-scissors. The central idea is to encourage multiplayer teamwork by specializing each ship type and class, however, in reality it practically forces blobbing rather than intelligent tactics.
Never a truer word said
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Rez Valintine
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:15:00 -
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looks like a drake to me.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:26:00 -
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+1 for Typhoon.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:46:00 -
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I'd say Rokh meets Dominix. Missiles, Railguns and Drones. Yes, the cannons of the Galactica are Railguns.
Or a Hel with Railgun and Missile slots :P
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Simeon Tor
Picon Fleet
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Simeon Tor on 22/01/2011 12:02:18
The new Galactica was based on modern day aircraft carriers so the closest representation of it's class EVE would be a carrier, an armor tanking carrier at that.
Though the closest ship in EVE in terms of abilities I'd have to say would be the Typhoon as was already stated.
Inb4themove.
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Max Roan
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:08:00 -
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No one thinks machariel? I named mine "the bucket" since I think it looks very galactica-ish from certain angles.
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Callandra Tyrol
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Max Roan
No one thinks machariel? I named mine "the bucket" since I think it looks very galactica-ish from certain angles.
Yeah you're right. And size is almost same as Mercury class battleship (Pegasus)
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 22/01/2011 12:28:50
I don't think it's comparable, Vipers =! drones.
There's no ship in EVE that can launch dozens of drones, let alone player-piloted ships.
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Flybiere
Gallente
Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Flybiere on 22/01/2011 12:29:29
Has there been a Star Wars vs Star Trek vs EvE thread yet?
If not, star wars would most definately win hands down.
Star Trek vs EvE could be interesting.
Stardestroyer.net is full of nerds flaming each other over these topics.
Edit: Spelling FTW.
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken
Missiles, autocannons, and drones.
Typhoon.
/thread
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Surgicalshot
Caldari
The Ancient Gravediggers
War and Pestilence
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Posted - 2011.01.22 21:48:00 -
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ya it's probly like a battleship/carrier crossover lol
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2011.01.22 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Flybiere
Edited by: Flybiere on 22/01/2011 12:29:29
Has there been a Star Wars vs Star Trek vs EvE thread yet?
If not, star wars would most definately win hands down.
Star Trek vs EvE could be interesting.
Stardestroyer.net is full of nerds flaming each other over these topics.
Edit: Spelling FTW.
star wars ships are ridiculously powerful if you just look at the stats they are given. eve ships would be like throwing guppies into a pirahna tank in comparison. trek ships would be entirely outclassed except for one nasty trick. they can engage targets while in warp which means they can pick off anything they want with no return fire coming back at them at all. an interdictor cruiser "might" be able to create a zone where warp isn't possible but even if that works the zone is too small to actually protect anything. tactically trek ships should be nearly impossible to beat. strategically i'd bet on the star wars empire winning because it can attack all fed worlds and bases at the same time with huge forces. hard to win when you lose your pop'n base and logistics in one fell swoop.
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Kari Niemi
oh god how did this get in here
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Posted - 2011.01.23 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kari Niemi on 23/01/2011 01:16:41
Machariels everywhere!
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Miss Krunk
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Krunk on 23/01/2011 02:30:00
Edited by: Miss Krunk on 23/01/2011 02:26:49
Originally by: Boma Airaken
Missiles, autocannons, and drones.
Typhoon.
/thread
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Originally by: Ehranavaar
Originally by: Flybiere
Edited by: Flybiere on 22/01/2011 12:29:29
Has there been a Star Wars vs Star Trek vs EvE thread yet?
If not, star wars would most definately win hands down.
Star Trek vs EvE could be interesting.
Stardestroyer.net is full of nerds flaming each other over these topics.
Edit: Spelling FTW.
star wars ships are ridiculously powerful if you just look at the stats they are given. eve ships would be like throwing guppies into a pirahna tank in comparison. trek ships would be entirely outclassed except for one nasty trick. they can engage targets while in warp which means they can pick off anything they want with no return fire coming back at them at all. an interdictor cruiser "might" be able to create a zone where warp isn't possible but even if that works the zone is too small to actually protect anything. tactically trek ships should be nearly impossible to beat. strategically i'd bet on the star wars empire winning because it can attack all fed worlds and bases at the same time with huge forces. hard to win when you lose your pop'n base and logistics in one fell swoop.
Star Wars ships actually kind of suck when compared to Star Trek ships. SW's ships use lasers and ions as their primary offense, it's been shown many times in the various Trek incarnations that that kind of weaponry bounces right off of their shields. Meanwhile, the Trek universe (not just Federation) boats have things like Phasers, Quantum and Transphasic torpedoes, Ships powered by artificial black holes......not to mention that silly red matter from the movie. Trek ships are not as large as Star Wars or Eve, but their tech outclasses both by far. Jovians vs Trek might be a more fair fight. Maybe.
Now Star Wars vs Eve is interesting. Both use very similar stuff and have ships they go right on up to ridiculously large. I'd have to give the edge to EvE I think. Star Wars was based on George Lucas's idea of science in the 70's and neutered a bit to make the snub fighters shine. In eve, an X-wing or Tie fighter would be smaller and less dangerous and a Hobgoblin and fairly irrelevant in a fleet fight. In the larger ships, Amarr does lasers better than the Empire. I'll take an Amarrian Tachyon over a turbo laser anyday. No to mention the Frenchies shooting antimatter and the various exotic torpedo and projetile warheads of the Caldari and Minnies. Not to mention, the superiority of the Eve cap fleets. Star Wars only had a couple of those Super Star Destroyers, Eve has dozens of Titans and even more MOM's which are roughly the same size and a SSD and probably more powerful. The Death Stars would be more challenging, but if a bunch of space rednecks in fighters and armed freighters could blow it up, I think someone in Eve would find a way to suicide gank it.
Edit : For size references, this was used. Jeff Russell's Starship Dimensions
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Miss Krunk
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Krunk on 23/01/2011 02:29:40
double post.
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Culmen
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
Syndicate.
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Krunk
Star Wars ships actually kind of suck when compared to Star Trek ships. SW's ships use lasers and ions as their primary offense, it's been shown many times in the various Trek incarnations that that kind of weaponry bounces right off of their shields. Meanwhile, the Trek universe (not just Federation) boats have things like Phasers, Quantum and Transphasic torpedoes, Ships powered by artificial black holes......not to mention that silly red matter from the movie. Trek ships are not as large as Star Wars or Eve, but their tech outclasses both by far. Jovians vs Trek might be a more fair fight. Maybe.
Now Star Wars vs Eve is interesting. Both use very similar stuff and have ships they go right on up to ridiculously large. I'd have to give the edge to EvE I think. Star Wars was based on George Lucas's idea of science in the 70's and neutered a bit to make the snub fighters shine. In eve, an X-wing or Tie fighter would be smaller and less dangerous and a Hobgoblin and fairly irrelevant in a fleet fight. In the larger ships, Amarr does lasers better than the Empire. I'll take an Amarrian Tachyon over a turbo laser anyday. No to mention the Frenchies shooting antimatter and the various exotic torpedo and projetile warheads of the Caldari and Minnies. Not to mention, the superiority of the Eve cap fleets. Star Wars only had a couple of those Super Star Destroyers, Eve has dozens of Titans and even more MOM's which are roughly the same size and a SSD and probably more powerful. The Death Stars would be more challenging, but if a bunch of space rednecks in fighters and armed freighters could blow it up, I think someone in Eve would find a way to suicide gank it.
Edit : For size references, this was used. Jeff Russell's Starship Dimensions
Star Wars vs Star Trek is like Lord of the Rings vs Star Trek.
At least Star Trek makes a minuscule attempt to be scientific and plausible.
Star Wars is pulling numbers out of it's ass if even bothers, has no sense of scale or distance and little sense of how anything works.
It doesn't even make sense from an in-universe sense.
For example, why is water so precious on Tatooine when it's been established that landing a star ship is a t rival task, and Mon Calamari is less than a week away.
Now what would be interesting would be Star Trek Online vs EvE Online.
Take 1 damage as 1 damage, and 1 km as 1 km.
The Escorts can really bring the DPS, but can't see outside of ~25km or so.
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Erevis Blackstar
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Posted - 2011.01.23 17:36:00 -
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The phoenix, imho BSG is more of a carrier then anything else. |
Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:23:00 -
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Star Wars ships actually kind of suck when compared to Star Trek ships. SW's ships use lasers and ions as their primary offense, it's been shown many times in the various Trek incarnations that that kind of weaponry bounces right off of their shields.
if you ever look at the numbers for star wars ships they are literally astronomical. bit like saying a peashooter isn't dangerous despite being scaled up to where it shoots a 16" shell because after all it's just a peashooter right. star wars ships may not use the most sophisticated weapons but the power they can put through them really ought to loosen your bowels if you consider it being fired in your direction. |
stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Krunk
Star Wars ships actually kind of suck when compared to Star Trek ships. SW's ships use lasers and ions as their primary offense,
Yes and no. Star Wars ships have the advantage of mobility. They're not limited to stargates. A Star Wars fleet can arrive anywhere in your territory and blow up a station before you can organize a response fleet. (Barring concord's magic insta-arrive ability.) And you're forgetting the planet (and star) killing abilities in the Star Wars films (and books.)
Death Star warps in, blows up a plant or station, Death Star leaves.
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Pearre Dash
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:46:00 -
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Not to rain on the nerd parade, but SW turbolasers are not actually lasers and are many, many, many times more powerful than Star Trek weaponry according to official publications for both SW and ST.
What you all fail to realize is that none of this actually matters because SW and ST are entirely different things. |
Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:58:00 -
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While I can't tell you if SW or ST is tougher cause I lack the nerdy skills for that, I'd guess that the Battlestar Galactica indeed is comparable to the Typhoon class battleship as stated before.
From the look the Machariel is comparable but not from the ship. Definitly Typhoon, armor tanking battleship with multiple weapon systems.
For the drones. In old times there was the drone interfacing skill actually not enhancing drone firepower by 20% but indeed there were up to 10 drones to launch with this. And a drone in EVE, even a small fighter drone, has definitly the size and firepower of a fighter in SW or Battlestar Galactica.
And even if you only get actual pilots in Figher and Figher Bombers that are launched from Carriers in EVE nobody should forget that those things are more cruisersized than anything. (Sig of a Fighter is 100, Sig of a Scythe Fleet Issue -as a small example- not more than 90.
Cruisersized drones. This is definitly not that humansized "F16" type of fighter the usual SciFi is talking about. Small drones are more like that and even with EVE (and old game mechanics that were nerfed due to lag) the average ship was able to launch 10 of them.
So an EVE Carrier is outclassing a Battlestar by far in size and capabilities. And carriers like in EVE are also hard to find in other SciFi. Most hangars - even the big ones in SW - hardly take more than EVE frigate class ships inside.
Frigate class would be more like medium to heavy drones.
So the carrier capabilities of a Typhoon class battleship exceeds those of BS Galactica by quality and by quantity just because of game mechanics.
What I often see when I follow fictional stories in EVE universe is what I often see as a problem of fan fiction: people stick to the limits of game mechanics instead that they try to imagine what this is really all about.
We are not bound to our ships and never set foot on station just because walking on station is not implemented yet. We are not unable to go planetside just because PI just shows us our facilities there and nothing more.
Space travel from planet to a stargate is not done in a few seconds. This is all a kind of compromise to make the game work. It is already boring to fly 600 au in a freighter. Imagine every warp would be realistic and we were caught there for hours.
It is not impossible to build up a bubble in hisec just because the game mechanic is disableing that. We Minmatar are not stripped from our tattoos just because those are not implemented yet in the last patch.
Imagine this world. If you try to write your fiction in it - in your mind on paper - you have get rid of the limitations of game mechanics without spoiling the fine power balance in this world.
And this is why I think the Typhoon is the correct answer to this question. If you forget about the game mechanics a bit (a bit!) I'd say this is it.
And if I would write EVE fiction, there would be pilots in drones. Or at least the things we see as drones are like the one-man fighters we know of other SciFi. Maybe it is right not to put a human in that thing, cause there is no reason we will see humans in the next fighter-plane on earth anymore. Maybe twenty years? Then the typical pilot is gone and history and dogfights will be done by AI pilots that can pull incredible G forces without getting a blackout.
+1 Typhoon. Definitively.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2011.01.23 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cydori
Edited by: Cydori on 22/01/2011 06:09:49
None. The Battlestar Galactica is, at least in concept, the type of capital ship a space empire might actually build. It has tremendous point defenses, a long-range strike capability (nuclear missiles), formidable tank, long-range sensors, the ability to make long-rang jumps independent of outside aid, and by design is nearly immune to ECM. Of course, its main hitting power comes in the form of two full wings of fighter-bombers supported by an organic compliment of scout and command ships. In short, it's something like a really advanced version of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier on steroids.
In stark contrast, all of EVE's ships are gimped right from the start in an effort to keep various classes viable and "fair," whatever fair is supposed to be. The end result is that EVE is very nearly relegated to being a complex game of rock-paper-scissors. The central idea is to encourage multiplayer teamwork by specializing each ship type and class, however, in reality it practically forces blobbing rather than intelligent tactics.
This, there is no real comparison.
Galactica's armament:
24 Anti Ship Dual Railguns
More than 514 Dual Point Blank Railguns
12 Missile Launch Tubes
80 Vipers
8 Raptors
Although size wise it is a Battleship hull in EVE, it packs a punch that nothing short of a Titan could match (because the Titan can kill it still).
As mentioned it has other advantages....immunity to EW being prime among these.
The main problem for the Battlestars would mostly be numbers....there are far more battleships in EVE than there were ever Battlestars built...
For their size EVE ships are undergunned. Could be a limitation of pod technology.
At one time there was rumour of a Battlestar class that would be larger than the current Titan that was a few years ago and may have been abandoned. It was called Project Battlestar, obviously do to copyright its in game name would differ if it ever appeared.
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