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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.01.24 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: UnIQu3
Originally by: Aeryn Sun Hmm.. we dont call our members fighting you noobs. We did relocate our empire runners down to stain. Many of those pilots are "noobs" in regards to pvp. Even those pilots themselves know that. But they are learning.
Now we have moved a part of our more experienced pvp force up there. See the change?
/aeryn
i do :)
who are u?, iv yet to see u in any of oor fights.. u cloaked or sumthin?.
d solo.
He's the best damn fleet commander and gang leader in SE and is according to the SE kill board the second best pvper in SE
(I'd like to say best but he's too much of a popular target to be) --------------------------------------
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.01.24 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: UnIQu3
Originally by: Aeryn Sun Hmm.. we dont call our members fighting you noobs. We did relocate our empire runners down to stain. Many of those pilots are "noobs" in regards to pvp. Even those pilots themselves know that. But they are learning.
Now we have moved a part of our more experienced pvp force up there. See the change?
/aeryn
i do :)
who are u?, iv yet to see u in any of oor fights.. u cloaked or sumthin?.
d solo.
He's the best damn fleet commander and gang leader in SE and is according to the SE kill board the second best pvper in SE
(I'd like to say best but he's too much of a popular target to be)
Don't forget that if D. Solo doesn't know who you are then you must suck.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.01.24 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aeryn Sun Hmm.. we dont call our members fighting you noobs. We did relocate our empire runners down to stain. Many of those pilots are "noobs" in regards to pvp. Even those pilots themselves know that. But they are learning.
Now we have moved a part of our more experienced pvp force up there. See the change?
/aeryn
It's all good fun, but check the board it's the same people over and over again :)
We were stupid in the sense that we waited for your extra backup to arrive, but what the hell this is what we play EVE for and I'll be buggered if I was logging off without a fight :)
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.01.24 17:59:00 -
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Only change i see is that before you would engage with equal numbers and have good fights. Now you wont engage til youve got twice our numbers.
But nm.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.01.24 18:44:00 -
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Quote: Now you wont engage til youve got twice our numbers.
Everyone in EVE engages with more numbers sometimes, no one is "better" than that including Celes. CA did it, SE does it, Xetic does it, FA does it, FOE does it, you do it, everyone does it.
Besides, you guys have 3000 or so targets to shoot, we have maybe 50. If you can't handle fleets that are bigger than yours then why declare war on a 3000 member alliance?
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.01.24 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Quote: Now you wont engage til youve got twice our numbers.
Everyone in EVE engages with more numbers sometimes, no one is "better" than that including Celes. CA did it, SE does it, Xetic does it, FA does it, FOE does it, you do it, everyone does it.
Besides, you guys have 3000 or so targets to shoot, we have maybe 50. If you can't handle fleets that are bigger than yours then why declare war on a 3000 member alliance?
wars arnt about fleet fights... fleet fights are a agreed form of PVP between 2 sides, IE its impossible to force a fleet to engage, both have to think they have a chance to win.. one fleet doesnt like the odds, they just go safe.
in wars its usual for the weaker to be killed, while the better, and smarter survive, we thought we would give SE a fleet fight for a bit of fun... they decided to bring in reinforcements even though they had sufficient numbers in the original gang..
we wont be fighting numbers like that again.. we will be going commando, and i dont mean wearing no knickers:).
d solo.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.01.24 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Bared Bel'Medar on 26/01/2005 21:39:37
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: UnIQu3 Edited by: UnIQu3 on 24/01/2005 15:08:33 the kills on celeskills.com looks better and better for us :)
would say real good :)
weekends are junk for us, the leadership isnt online, and most of the vets are either too hungover to play, or waking up in strange fat burds beds:).
i still cant believe the SE guys keep bringing it, their leadership calls the guys that are fighting us nOObs, yet they are FAR from that. fighting the so called btr pvpers from stain in hedgp and that, was ALOT easier... yar.
d "likes fat burds" solo
An important thing I need to note. When you were camping hed, you were effectively standing in SE's and CA shared front door. Then you have to assume another thing, who is closer to SE, you or CA? CA. next assumpton (yes, I was a pro at doing hardy-wienburg genetic drift equations!) is what did CA fight with? The next and final assumption is do any of your commanders and captains (My definition is different from the "New SE", I'll explain later) have personal vendetta's with members of the other team.
Now, if you assume that the SE fleet is rigged to destroy primarily CA, then you must examine what CA fought like. Ca fought with large numbers of support ships, and long range heavy hiting battle ships. Taking this assumption in, most SA ships will be heavily tanked and or armed, and rely on fewer support ships to get them in close. Now, once you've realized this, then take into account what your fleet was arranged like. Close in heavy hitters, with what apeared to be a dependance on damage over defence.
Return to the reasoning formula of enemy fleet composition to compensate. What you wll get is more support ships flying battleships. Those support pilots may be kings in a wolf, but if the wolf wil only do minimal damage to a frigate and cruiser light fleet, then they will bring out battleships to compensate, thus being an inferior pilot in the situation.
what you are seeing now, is the SE fleet at its best. The pilots in question are bringing more of tier ships of choice, and fewer dual role ships. tht is fewer battleships rigged to fight both CA and Celes. now, to personal grudges, if you enemeies commanders have powerfu personalities (like Joviah, Aeryn, or N'fran) you may see pilots attack THIER prefered targets as they communicate thier feelings to thier fleet and the corporations under thier jurisdiction. captains, the people actually LEADING in battle and prepairing fleets may be more or less aggressive, or may attack the moment thier prefered enemy appears.
since the "Summer Reforms" The Regional commanders have become fewer and fewer (whoa, there's only one left!), and the Fleet captains have been doing dual roles of captain and commanders.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2005.01.24 19:34:00 -
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Bared do u even play anymore?
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.01.24 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 24/01/2005 19:54:16 That's fine darth, I just found it ironic that you'd declare war on a 3000 member alliance and then complain about our fleets being too big, that's all.
As for going "commando" again (which I assume means more empire ganks on travellers), good on ya I guess. Though that too is ironic, considering Celes started out as an anti-pirate corp that's becoming more pirate every day, you just hide behind a war dec to do it.
But I've said my piece, someone will probably have my ass if I start a flame war on the forums over this. See you folks in space
Also I just wanted to mention that even though I haven't had time to play much EVE lately, the few fights I've been in with Celes dudes have been fun. So thanks for the fun
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TIO 101
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Posted - 2005.01.24 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: TIO 101 on 24/01/2005 19:55:26 Zandramus... You can contact us via ingame/our Forum www.celesapoc.com/forum/to give gg's etc. after everyfight if you want to. These types of threads will only endup going down in flames. As im sure this will.
Bared... sort ur post out i stopped reading after the 1st 2 lines as eyes hurt.
Aeryn... We knew the w/e would be bad, were usually outnumbered 100:1, we even had posts on forums to not engage too big a chunk, looks like our peeps got bored and played by your rules, and we lost as you were by ours all week. Disipline will be brought back into play and we will be playing the game by our rules again, hopefully your side will fall backinto place taking the bait, and etting penalised as we did this w/e. Looking at the kills + deaths, it seams to be the same ppl we're fighting day in day out. These 'Agent Runners' your allways refering to, um, seam to be keeping out of the way, i have seen by far alot more combat rdy pilots than noncombatants, which is good for both sides. You can keep to this story for aslong as you want, only SE + Celes pilots know whats happening in general. (Not including the propaganda starters in SE)
SE in general... GG's from the conflict i have had so far, i have lost ships, i have killed ships, im back playing again during the week, time to get our score back to what it was.
Mute... WTF?! die?! plz?! damnit inty just wont die for me.
Non Celes/SE... Plz keep outa our threads
Edit: Darth... The lass i was with most of this w/e aint a fat burd :P. But yeah, i was drunk / recovering / performing adult acts / RL stuff like alot of our Corp Members this w/e
h4xb4n
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2005.01.24 19:58:00 -
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O V E R K I L L "Teh lord of Nonni"
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Cowboy
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Posted - 2005.01.24 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cowboy on 24/01/2005 20:15:20
Here's typically what I have been encountering in this around of the SE war.
Example: the other night I made a trip up to HED in my harpy. I arrived and all I saw was an SE kessy. Shortly after an incursus jumps in. I play cat and mouse with them for a bit and finally jump out when they are at ss and it's clear they wont fight (no problem I would not either in that instance).
I jump into Keberez and low and behold there's a retribtion about to jump in to HED. At this point I engage the AF and the incursus jumps back in. After a bit of fighting, both warp away and stay at ss (the kessy had also jumped in and went to ss).I sit and wait hoping they would take their chances , I mean come on it's a 3 vs 1 tilted in their favor, BUT wait in warps an SE thorax. I figure thats a bit to much and I take off. A game of cat and mouse insues. And at one point I figure screw it. I engage the 3 frigs, I managed to take out the kessy but got nos'd to death by the retribution and they manage to kill me. Ok I died no biggie. What was funny was the little bit of RAWR smacktalk I got after the fight (thankfully another SE slapped the smacktalker down)
My point, they would not fight a 3 vs 1 and in the end it would have been a 4 vs 1, if I had not turned around and engaged a few systems away (thinking I could take them out before the thorax managed to catch up).This has been the story of the past few days. Why fight when you can gank.
So hats off to SE. This was a good weekend for them. Sure, damn near all of their kills have been ganks, oh well. Ganks are part of them game and you won in that aspect. We get them and you get them.
As for the our 1337 commanders and pvper's lead us to victory. Save it, anybody could lead a gank force to victory.
Despite some of whats been going and some of the "we need to outnumber to win" tactics being used recently, there have been some good fights I look forward to the next round.
Cya in space
"Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2005.01.24 20:36:00 -
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i jump into a vigil to try and fight ceptors. taranis runs crow runs. hmmm do u have orders not to go 1v1?. GODS done honor fights and there supposed to be pierats. You guys are fruits. U camp stations. thats something that is so boring in gank fleets. ive even seen you camping stations with no-one in them Bwhalol ER SKATE n chips.
Ahh well. "Teh lord of Nonni"
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n0sPIG
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Posted - 2005.01.24 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo we wont be fighting numbers like that again.. we will be going commando, and i dont mean wearing no knickers:).
d solo.
LOL!!
"Your never really dead till your body stops twitching" |
Shariona
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Posted - 2005.01.24 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aeryn Sun Hmm.. we dont call our members fighting you noobs. We did relocate our empire runners down to stain. Many of those pilots are "noobs" in regards to pvp. Even those pilots themselves know that. But they are learning.
Now we have moved a part of our more experienced pvp force up there. See the change?
/aeryn
Nope, no change. Maybe you are a little changed saying something like this on the forum. You bought this account? Must be.
Anyway, we fought and we lost, so whats the point?
If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him -- Sun Tzu
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Kozak
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Posted - 2005.01.24 22:39:00 -
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Why are you guys smacktalking again? Just freakin' keep it ingame.
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Icarus100
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Posted - 2005.01.24 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: SwitchBl4d3 i jump into a vigil to try and fight ceptors. taranis runs crow runs. hmmm do u have orders not to go 1v1?. GODS done honor fights and there supposed to be pierats. You guys are fruits. U camp stations. thats something that is so boring in gank fleets. ive even seen you camping stations with no-one in them Bwhalol ER SKATE n chips.
Ahh well.
Do we have orders not to go to 1vs1? What's is wrong with your memory? I ->Challenged<- you to a 1vs1, but you didn't accept it.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2005.01.24 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
As for Porthos, He still cant figure out who he jammed that got Concord on him , he said his came after he jammed someone. ( I did notice that there was a -10 standings to us person in the midst of the fight that was running around targeting the SE guys and stealing loot so that may be who he jammed )
[ 2005.01.23 23:05:39 ] Jazz Bo > 2005.01.23 23:03:25 notify Porthos928 [SHA K] has started trying to target jam the Cruiser, "Korik [5618]".
That was four ships you lost to Concord then? I suggest you take "gang members" off the Overview, I usually do that for fleet fights. The Overview IS borked.
And Aeryn, the only "difference" I noticed was that SE brought one target-jamming ship for each of our damage-dealing battleships (we had three ECM ships, you had eight plus dampeners).
Anyways, it ain't over 'till the fat lady sings and all that jazz.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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StarLite
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Posted - 2005.01.25 00:56:00 -
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Was a good fight, Little wolfs drones did a major 8,0 damage to me, wich was the only damage I took during the battle . I guess I was lucky :)
Afaik we lost 2 ships to concord, it happens in the hectic moments of a battle I guess. Was one of my first decent fleet battles, and the first full big battle against Celes I had. I had a lot of fun and even got me a killmail ___________________________________________________
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Pradege D'Hallur
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Posted - 2005.01.25 01:10:00 -
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Man being in iraq just sux. No pvp . Sounds like some good fighting to. Well it is only a game. Enjoy
When we die God's job is to judge us..........My job is to arrange that meeting
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n0sPIG
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Posted - 2005.01.25 01:15:00 -
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Such an entertaining thread!! I just couldnt stay out of it so heres my 2c.
There was a fight - we lost - it happens
PS - the point of this post was to say "HI" /me passes out e-hugs then lets the entertainment continue. "Your never really dead till your body stops twitching" |
Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.01.25 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kozak Why are you guys smacktalking again? Just freakin' keep it ingame.
cos areyns post was so arrogant its insane.
Fact is your 13370r pvp0rs are doin a worse job than your agent runners. Maybe you should get them back form stain so they can show you how to fight without 2/3/4:1 odds, and still win.
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2005.01.25 02:03:00 -
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/emote hands n0sPIG a cup of cocoa
NB: Bared you numbnut, use paragraphs or I will start calling you names again!
Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.01.25 04:32:00 -
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CELES reminds me of my 20-year-old sister. You always have an excuse.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Kozak
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Posted - 2005.01.25 04:35:00 -
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LOL, there's always a "but..."
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.01.25 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kozak LOL, there's always a "but..."
You missed out a 't'
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2005.01.25 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus100
Originally by: SwitchBl4d3 i jump into a vigil to try and fight ceptors. taranis runs crow runs. hmmm do u have orders not to go 1v1?. GODS done honor fights and there supposed to be pierats. You guys are fruits. U camp stations. thats something that is so boring in gank fleets. ive even seen you camping stations with no-one in them Bwhalol ER SKATE n chips.
Ahh well.
Do we have orders not to go to 1vs1? What's is wrong with your memory? I ->Challenged<- you to a 1vs1, but you didn't accept it.
yes u did when there was like 100 of u in our sys. when ever i chase one of u when ure on your lone some tail to the wind..
and like ud actually beat me in any fight tsk,. "Teh lord of Nonni"
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thebold
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Posted - 2005.01.25 11:23:00 -
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this war sucks im going back to curse more action there :|
I aint spending another night like this ==============================================
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2005.01.25 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: thebold this war sucks im going back to curse more action there :|
I aint spending another night like this
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Arud
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Posted - 2005.01.25 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: SwitchBl4d3
Originally by: Icarus100
Originally by: SwitchBl4d3 i jump into a vigil to try and fight ceptors. taranis runs crow runs. hmmm do u have orders not to go 1v1?. GODS done honor fights and there supposed to be pierats. You guys are fruits. U camp stations. thats something that is so boring in gank fleets. ive even seen you camping stations with no-one in them Bwhalol ER SKATE n chips.
Ahh well.
Do we have orders not to go to 1vs1? What's is wrong with your memory? I ->Challenged<- you to a 1vs1, but you didn't accept it.
yes u did when there was like 100 of u in our sys. when ever i chase one of u when ure on your lone some tail to the wind..
and like ud actually beat me in any fight tsk,.
uuu smackity smack smack
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