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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:49:00 -
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Eve being a sandbox it has so many undiscovered gameplay that might easily be a kind of carrot on a stick for any new or young capsuleer and its corporation.
I am asking for you all to share what you think could be viable as a way to welcome new players to this brilliant game called EvE.
I will offer one myself:
Become a underground independent movement like in the real world wars. While you see these huge alliances battle it out in null-sec you could choose to try and tilt the advantages to one side or the other.
For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance.
This is cool for any new or young player and or corporations, since you get to nibble on the bigger picture.
You do have to do some homework though.
But you will learn planning ops, run covert ops, run bombing ops, learn how to travel through other sec space.
What are your ideas? |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
197
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:58:00 -
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Ship spinning "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
Whadafool
Universal Might
34
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:02:00 -
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take them to low sec and pod them...best thing you can do for a new player. stuff |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:10:00 -
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Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people, surely you can come up with something to welcome new and young players or entice new and young players to start playing EvE. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
511
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:15:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance. How exactly do you think this would be accomplished? EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
198
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: How exactly do you think this would be accomplished?
Isn't it obvious? You just drop your ~1,000 man fleet on their tech moon POSes! "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
884
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:23:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: How exactly do you think this would be accomplished? Isn't it obvious? You just drop your ~1,000 man fleet on their tech moon POSes! Nah, you protest for two years spinning in station waiting for them to move moon goo into a active gathering activity like ring mining. Then you protest for another three years when they keep those materials in the same exact systems. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance. How exactly do you think this would be accomplished?
Read initial post.
If anyone would tell how exactly, it would not work.
Common people, stop trolling, have a brain, you will see it is for the greater good (new players wanting to start a "career" in EvE) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
512
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:33:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance. How exactly do you think this would be accomplished? Read initial post. If anyone would tell how exactly, it would not work. Common people, stop trolling, have a brain, you will see it is for the greater good (new players wanting to start a "career" in EvE....and hey.....maybe venture out into other sec space other than highsec........this is nul-sec greatest problem......maybe being tackeled) Or do you not like these smaller corps snooping around your null-sec and maybe target something back without the need to wardec or a chance on security loss? It was a rhetorical question. My point was that this is an unrealistic goal for new players. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
659
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance. How exactly do you think this would be accomplished? Read initial post. If anyone would tell how exactly, it would not work. Common people, stop trolling, have a brain, you will see it is for the greater good (new players wanting to start a "career" in EvE....and hey.....maybe venture out into other sec space other than highsec........this is nul-sec greatest problem......maybe being tackeled) Or do you not like these smaller corps snooping around your null-sec and maybe target something back without the need to wardec or a chance on security loss? It was a rhetorical question. My point was that this is an unrealistic goal for new players.
They can't already do whatever without being scamed/can flipped/ganked, now tell them they will be space rich going in low/null do serious stuff brb |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4510
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:40:00 -
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Sandcastles ftw!
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Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:09:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people,
You aren't one of them. Figure out your own stuff to do. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:25:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people, You aren't one of them. Figure out your own stuff to do.
I am not saying I am intelligent. I am however figuring "stuff" out to do for myself.
Now let us all give gameplay hints on stuff for new or young players or corps to sink their teeth into.
You do not need 130+ Million SP to arrange a covert bombing run on miners in null-sec which happen to be from a alliance that is already at war.
It takes about 7 million SP. And you can have a real thrill and learn sooooo much.
Now, I am sure there are players who have ideas to, lets have them! |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:28:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance. How exactly do you think this would be accomplished? Read initial post. If anyone would tell how exactly, it would not work. Common people, stop trolling, have a brain, you will see it is for the greater good (new players wanting to start a "career" in EvE....and hey.....maybe venture out into other sec space other than highsec........this is nul-sec greatest problem......maybe being tackeled) Or do you not like these smaller corps snooping around your null-sec and maybe target something back without the need to wardec or a chance on security loss? It was a rhetorical question. My point was that this is an unrealistic goal for new players. They can't already do whatever without being scamed/can flipped/ganked, now tell them they will be space rich going in low/null do serious stuff
No, lets tell them you can have interesting gameplay even if you are , say below 10M SP. EvE is not just about getting rich.
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Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:29:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people, You aren't one of them. Figure out your own stuff to do. I am not saying I am intelligent. I am however figuring "stuff" out to do for myself. Now let us all give gameplay hints on stuff for new or young players or corps to sink their teeth into. You do not need 130+ Million SP to arrange a covert bombing run on miners in null-sec which happen to be from a alliance that is already at war. It takes about 7 million SP. And you can have a real thrill and learn sooooo much. Now, I am sure there are players who have ideas to, lets have them!
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:No, lets tell them you can have interesting gameplay even if you are , say below 10M SP. EvE is not just about getting rich.
Google.com
It really works. There's also thousands of threads that will give you idea's on these forums & in the old archived forums. You could also... Just try stuff? Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:44:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people, You aren't one of them. Figure out your own stuff to do. I am not saying I am intelligent. I am however figuring "stuff" out to do for myself. Now let us all give gameplay hints on stuff for new or young players or corps to sink their teeth into. You do not need 130+ Million SP to arrange a covert bombing run on miners in null-sec which happen to be from a alliance that is already at war. It takes about 7 million SP. And you can have a real thrill and learn sooooo much. Now, I am sure there are players who have ideas to, lets have them! Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:No, lets tell them you can have interesting gameplay even if you are , say below 10M SP. EvE is not just about getting rich.
Google.com It really works. There's also thousands of threads that will give you idea's on these forums & in the old archived forums. You could also... Just try stuff?
I think you might have misunderstood the goal for this thread.
You see, it is not about me, I know plenty stuff to do and do them.
I think if there is one thing seriously lacking than it would be the visibility of valid game play.
Lets make it visible. The option I offered is completely valid.
And if destruction is to big a thing, people will probably also realize that they can obstruct mineral income just by being at the location in a cloak
Most mining ops will dock up, an occasional bomb will amplify any fear when needed.
Common lets give these people something to look at. In which I would have to agree, google does do wonders when planning your operations as a new entity.
If any new players are getting interested, Just mail Tiger Would. Maybe I can help some of you new guys along a bit! |
Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:48:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:I think you might have misunderstood the goal for this thread.
You see, it is not about me, I know plenty stuff to do and do them.
I think if there is one thing seriously lacking than it would be the visibility of valid game play.
Lets make it visible. The option I offered is completely valid.
And if destruction is to big a thing, people will probably also realize that they can obstruct mineral income just by being at the location in a cloak
Most mining ops will dock up, an occasional bomb will amplify any fear when needed.
Common lets give these people something to look at. In which I would have to agree, google does do wonders when planning your operations as a new entity.
If any new players are getting interested, Just mail Tiger Would. Maybe I can help some of you new guys along a bit!
The solution I offered is completely valid. If people are too lazy to do a couple of quick searches to find the plethora of information available then odds are that they're too lazy to try any of that stuff anyway. It's not like this information is hidden from public view. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:59:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:I think you might have misunderstood the goal for this thread.
You see, it is not about me, I know plenty stuff to do and do them.
I think if there is one thing seriously lacking than it would be the visibility of valid game play.
Lets make it visible. The option I offered is completely valid.
And if destruction is to big a thing, people will probably also realize that they can obstruct mineral income just by being at the location in a cloak
Most mining ops will dock up, an occasional bomb will amplify any fear when needed.
Common lets give these people something to look at. In which I would have to agree, google does do wonders when planning your operations as a new entity.
If any new players are getting interested, Just mail Tiger Would. Maybe I can help some of you new guys along a bit! The solution I offered is completely valid. If people are too lazy to do a couple of quick searches to find the plethora of information available then odds are that they're too lazy to try any of that stuff anyway. It's not like this information is hidden from public view.
But answer me this:
If you do not know the entire scope of EvE yet.....and lets be honest, who did when they subscribed? If I look at me personally, sure I read the guides back than, figured out the mechanics.....but thats just such a small part.
I dare to say, many do not have a clue what so ever in regards to depth, politics and propaganda.... I think it is this that make to many people think that EvE should be played as it is played now. Hereby obstructing the visibility of the fact that anything goes, it is a sandbox.
And why is it exactly that EvE has trouble keeping subscribers.....I mean, controlling your spaceship, fitting it out, those are not hard parts.
I say it is this:
You see this advertisement of emergent gameplay. one day you join. You think....I am going to be a big industrialist. (for example)
Than it does not look like that gameplay at all. It looks like there is no room for you. It looks like you can only join larger entities but never become one. Which in a large part is fueled by propaganda and trolling (like in this thread)
You do not get the feeling you can actually become anything you want.
I dare to say that hurts the number new subscribers actually having a stab at it.
I am not saying, make it easy.
I say, lets make it visible.
Now instead of responding saying nay again, do you have anything to add in this regard?
If not, it would be better not to post, since it would be topic. |
Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:07:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:I think you might have misunderstood the goal for this thread.
You see, it is not about me, I know plenty stuff to do and do them.
I think if there is one thing seriously lacking than it would be the visibility of valid game play.
Lets make it visible. The option I offered is completely valid.
And if destruction is to big a thing, people will probably also realize that they can obstruct mineral income just by being at the location in a cloak
Most mining ops will dock up, an occasional bomb will amplify any fear when needed.
Common lets give these people something to look at. In which I would have to agree, google does do wonders when planning your operations as a new entity.
If any new players are getting interested, Just mail Tiger Would. Maybe I can help some of you new guys along a bit! The solution I offered is completely valid. If people are too lazy to do a couple of quick searches to find the plethora of information available then odds are that they're too lazy to try any of that stuff anyway. It's not like this information is hidden from public view. But answer me this: If you do not know the entire scope of EvE yet.....and lets be honest, who did when they subscribed? If I look at me personally, sure I read the guides back than, figured out the mechanics.....but thats just such a small part. I dare to say, many do not have a clue what so ever in regards to depth, politics and propaganda.... I think it is this that make to many people think that EvE should be played as it is played now. Hereby obstructing the visibility of the fact that anything goes, it is a sandbox. And why is it exactly that EvE has trouble keeping subscribers.....I mean, controlling your spaceship, fitting it out, those are not hard parts. I say it is this: You see this advertisement of emergent gameplay. one day you join. You think....I am going to be a big industrialist. (for example) Than it does not look like that gameplay at all. It looks like there is no room for you. It looks like you can only join larger entities but never become one. Which in a large part is fueled by propaganda and trolling (like in this thread) You do not get the feeling you can actually become anything you want. I dare to say that hurts the number new subscribers actually having a stab at it. I am not saying, make it easy. I say, lets make it visible. Now instead of responding saying nay again, do you have anything to add in this regard? If not, it would be better not to post, since it would be topic.
People are only limited by the ammount of effort they're willing to put in to becomming what they wish. The information regarding anything they wish to do in the game is visible with a few quick google searches or god-forbid, actually browsing through the main EVE site.
If they're too lazy or unwilling to look at the information from both CCP & it's players over the years, then the only thing holding them back from becomming whatever it is they wish to be is themselves. It has absolutely nothing to do with visibility when the information is already visible.
To answer your above question: No, I was not aware of the scope of EVE when I first played. I did how ever get out there & read said plethora of information regarding what I ultimately wanted to do. I was not held back at any point because I actually put some effort in to enjoying the game I play. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
960
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:09:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:I think you might have misunderstood the goal for this thread.
You see, it is not about me, I know plenty stuff to do and do them.
I think if there is one thing seriously lacking than it would be the visibility of valid game play.
Lets make it visible. The option I offered is completely valid.
And if destruction is to big a thing, people will probably also realize that they can obstruct mineral income just by being at the location in a cloak
Most mining ops will dock up, an occasional bomb will amplify any fear when needed.
Common lets give these people something to look at. In which I would have to agree, google does do wonders when planning your operations as a new entity.
If any new players are getting interested, Just mail Tiger Would. Maybe I can help some of you new guys along a bit! The solution I offered is completely valid. If people are too lazy to do a couple of quick searches to find the plethora of information available then odds are that they're too lazy to try any of that stuff anyway. It's not like this information is hidden from public view. But answer me this: If you do not know the entire scope of EvE yet.....and lets be honest, who did when they subscribed? If I look at me personally, sure I read the guides back than, figured out the mechanics.....but thats just such a small part. I dare to say, many do not have a clue what so ever in regards to depth, politics and propaganda.... I think it is this that make to many people think that EvE should be played as it is played now. Hereby obstructing the visibility of the fact that anything goes, it is a sandbox. And why is it exactly that EvE has trouble keeping subscribers.....I mean, controlling your spaceship, fitting it out, those are not hard parts. I say it is this: You see this advertisement of emergent gameplay. one day you join. You think....I am going to be a big industrialist. (for example) Than it does not look like that gameplay at all. It looks like there is no room for you. It looks like you can only join larger entities but never become one. Which in a large part is fueled by propaganda and trolling (like in this thread) You do not get the feeling you can actually become anything you want. I dare to say that hurts the number new subscribers actually having a stab at it. I am not saying, make it easy. I say, lets make it visible. Now instead of responding saying nay again, do you have anything to add in this regard? If not, it would be better not to post, since it would be topic. People are only limited by the ammount of effort they're willing to put in to becomming what they wish. The information regarding anything they wish to do in the game is visible with a few quick google searches or god-forbid, actually browsing through the main EVE site. If they're too lazy or unwilling to look at the information from both CCP & it's players over the years, then the only thing holding them back from becomming whatever it is they wish to be is themselves. It has absolutely nothing to do with visibility when the information is already visible.
Ah youh saying you can jus a google for new emerging valid gameplay within EvE.....
Howy cow......I have somah goggling to do Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
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Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:11:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:Ah youh saying you can jus a google for new emerging valid gameplay within EvE.....
Howy cow......I have somah goggling to do
I'm sorry. I have an awful tendancy to put too much faith in the general Human population. I was for a moment, under the impression that people could think for themselves. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:13:00 -
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Shall we get on topic?
reasonable question posted, either post a idea, or just leave it for what it is.
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:17:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Ah youh saying you can jus a google for new emerging valid gameplay within EvE.....
Howy cow......I have somah goggling to do I'm sorry. I have an awful tendancy to put too much faith in the general Human population. I was for a moment, under the impression that people could think for themselves.
Thats why I am only making new, valid, emergent gameplay visible without filling in the gaps. I do believe people can think for them selves.
Your only awful tendency is you do not seem to be able to look outside your own framework. What goes for you must go for everyone else.
It does not work like that!
(EDIT: ISD, could you please remove all the non related posts?) |
Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:17:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Shall we get on topic?
reasonable question posted, either post a idea, or just leave it for what it is.
Reasonable answer: Search engine of choice, research the extremely limited limitations of the game & use brain. Oh wait I forgot, that requires :effort: Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:19:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Shall we get on topic?
reasonable question posted, either post a idea, or just leave it for what it is.
Reasonable answer: Search engine of choice, research the extremely limited limitations of the game & use brain. Oh wait I forgot, that requires :effort:
Why you keep saying you can google for new valid emergent gameplay. Which part does not compute about the fact I am talking about gameplay that is not in existence yet?
It is not reasonable at all to push what you think onto others and thinking you nailed the only truth. |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
365
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:20:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote: But answer me this:
If you do not know the entire scope of EvE yet.....and lets be honest, who did when they subscribed? If I look at me personally, sure I read the guides back than, figured out the mechanics.....but thats just such a small part.
I dare to say, many do not have a clue what so ever in regards to depth, politics and propaganda.... I think it is this that make to many people think that EvE should be played as it is played now. Hereby obstructing the visibility of the fact that anything goes, it is a sandbox.
I disagree. How is playing EVE 'as it's played now' a bad thing? I would argue that 'as it's played now' is just about as sandbox as you're going to get. How would you improve it?
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote: And why is it exactly that EvE has trouble keeping subscribers
What? Subscription numbers are steady or rising consistently ever since launch.
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote: You see this advertisement of emergent gameplay. one day you join. You think....I am going to be a big industrialist. (for example)
Than it does not look like that gameplay at all. It looks like there is no room for you. It looks like you can only join larger entities but never become one. Which in a large part is fueled by propaganda and trolling (like in this thread)
You do not get the feeling you can actually become anything you want.
I dare to say that hurts the number new subscribers actually having a stab at it.
I couldn't disagree more. I have never felt this, not even in the first couple years of playing. Sure, if your goal is to manufacture some obscure t2 rig that no-one uses, or to build titans, you're going to be disappointed. But you can achieve anything you want to with enough work. Can't form your own powerful alliance? Work your way up the ranks of an existing one. Can't compete with other manufacturers? Figure out what their doing and copy/improve on it. People mining all your roids? Move to another system/security status. Anyone who gives up and unsubs because 'there is no room' for them clearly didn't look hard enough.
Not everyone thinks the same way you do. This doesn't automatically make them wrong. |
Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:21:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Ah youh saying you can jus a google for new emerging valid gameplay within EvE.....
Howy cow......I have somah goggling to do I'm sorry. I have an awful tendancy to put too much faith in the general Human population. I was for a moment, under the impression that people could think for themselves. Thats why I am only making new, valid, emergent gameplay visible without filling in the gaps. I do believe people can think for them selves. Your only awful tendency is you do not seem to be able to look outside your own framework. What goes for you must go for everyone else. It does not work like that!
Please tell me all about how coming up with your own game play idea's is so hard that you have to create a thread asking people to post already visible idea's.
Been to C&P lately? There's some pretty cool stuff in there that clearly must not be visible to anyone. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Arkturus McFadden
Sonoran Shadow Black Mesa Complex
198
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:22:00 -
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I find watching my ship slowly rotate endlessly for hours as valid gameplay. |
lanyaie
490
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:30:00 -
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Make new players spawn in an active nullsec system in a titan with all skillpoints,but a clone that removes all of them when the titan is destroyed. I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you Currently offering 100% legit hulkageddon security sponsored by the mittani, send 50m to me and 50m to him |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:31:00 -
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____________________________________________________________ I disagree. How is playing EVE 'as it's played now' a bad thing? I would argue that 'as it's played now' is just about as sandbox as you're going to get. How would you improve it? ______________________________________________________________ Not saying that. I am only stating that a sandbox is not bound to current game play, it would not be a sandbox if it was now would it.
So there is no question about improving, just making the sandbox visible
__________________________________________________________________ What? Subscription numbers are steady or rising consistently ever since launch. _______________________________________________________________________ It is increasingly slowing down. EvE could have had many many many more by now, I am certain.
The rest of your post is based of the fact the sandbox already has all gameplays that are valid, ergo, it is not a sandbox. Therefor invalid. |
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:35:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Ah youh saying you can jus a google for new emerging valid gameplay within EvE.....
Howy cow......I have somah goggling to do I'm sorry. I have an awful tendancy to put too much faith in the general Human population. I was for a moment, under the impression that people could think for themselves. Thats why I am only making new, valid, emergent gameplay visible without filling in the gaps. I do believe people can think for them selves. Your only awful tendency is you do not seem to be able to look outside your own framework. What goes for you must go for everyone else. It does not work like that! Please tell me all about how coming up with your own game play idea's is so hard that you have to create a thread asking people to post already visible idea's. Been to C&P lately? There's some pretty cool stuff in there that clearly must not be visible to anyone.
I would only need to explain there is something wrong with your reading comprehension. C&P and cool stuff in one sentence.......if there is any trollfest its C&P.
And as you can see, I mean, You are here right, I have no trouble at all creating my own gameplay.
Are you just going to keep repeating arguments that where already rendered invalid, or do you actually have anything to add? |
Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:18:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Ah youh saying you can jus a google for new emerging valid gameplay within EvE.....
Howy cow......I have somah goggling to do I'm sorry. I have an awful tendancy to put too much faith in the general Human population. I was for a moment, under the impression that people could think for themselves. Thats why I am only making new, valid, emergent gameplay visible without filling in the gaps. I do believe people can think for them selves. Your only awful tendency is you do not seem to be able to look outside your own framework. What goes for you must go for everyone else. It does not work like that! Please tell me all about how coming up with your own game play idea's is so hard that you have to create a thread asking people to post already visible idea's. Been to C&P lately? There's some pretty cool stuff in there that clearly must not be visible to anyone. I would only need to explain there is something wrong with your reading comprehension. C&P and cool stuff in one sentence.......if there is any trollfest its C&P. And as you can see, I mean, You are here right, I have no trouble at all creating my own gameplay. Are you just going to keep repeating arguments that where already rendered invalid, or do you actually have anything to add?
So people using their brains to come up with their own idea's instead of having idea's handed to them is invalid? Great logic you have there. Let us know how it works out. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
961
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:52:00 -
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Jaq....he chooses to repeat you can find something with google that does not exist. He wishes to uphold that google is a great replacement for using your brain.
Also he want to make it absolutely clear, he did not understand what your initial post is about.
He maintains there is no reason to have a EvE university for example or a tutorial if you follow the "logic" he is applying. He is in a way saying he has patented the only truth that exists in a sandbox.
.....shhh....dont laugh.....ya I know.....barely able to keep a straight face myself.
Why?
It is probably important to him.
Anyways, New players or corp entities, just mail me if you like to look into this further and need some pointers. We are more than happy to get you on your way. Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:56:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:Jaq....he chooses to repeat you can find something with google that does not exist. He wishes to uphold that google is a great replacement for using your brain.
Also he want to make it absolutely clear, he did not understand what your initial post is about.
He maintains there is no reason to have a EvE university for example or a tutorial if you follow the "logic" he is applying. He is in a way saying he has patented the only truth that exists in a sandbox.
.....shhh....dont laugh.....ya I know.....barely able to keep a straight face myself.
Why?
It is probably important to him.
Anyways, New players or corp entities, just mail me if you like to look into this further and need some pointers. We are more than happy to get you on your way.
Its worse,
He is lecturing about brains and coming up with ideas while he was not able to create avatar name without copying it from someone else. Maybe he now thinks that everyone will think he is the Mike Azariah from the blog "A Missioneer in EvE".
*shrug* |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:57:00 -
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Oops double post.........I guess its the doppelganger influence of mallak azaria |
Mallak Azaria
555
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:04:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Jaq....he chooses to repeat you can find something with google that does not exist. He wishes to uphold that google is a great replacement for using your brain.
Also he want to make it absolutely clear, he did not understand what your initial post is about.
He maintains there is no reason to have a EvE university for example or a tutorial if you follow the "logic" he is applying. He is in a way saying he has patented the only truth that exists in a sandbox.
.....shhh....dont laugh.....ya I know.....barely able to keep a straight face myself.
Why?
It is probably important to him.
Anyways, New players or corp entities, just mail me if you like to look into this further and need some pointers. We are more than happy to get you on your way. Its worse, He is lecturing about brains and coming up with ideas while he was not able to create avatar name without copying it from someone else. Maybe he now thinks that everyone will think he is the Mike Azariah from the blog "A Missioneer in EvE". *shrug*
It was actually based off Dingo ate my baby I've never even heard of that other player, but I clearly must educate him in proper spelling. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
133
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:05:00 -
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Having a hard time deciding if this thread was just Lost in Translation or Lost in Space.. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
126
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:55:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people Obviously not you since you're saying that on the forums. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
515
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:40:00 -
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If you want new and emergent gameplay, you have to make it happen. Part of the thrill is coming up with new tactics, strategies, and techniques yourself. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
964
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you want new and emergent gameplay, you have to make it happen. Part of the thrill is coming up with new tactics, strategies, and techniques yourself.
No shih shirley....
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:16:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote: Obviously not you since you're saying that on the forums.
that that that.....that that that that that that,....
that that that that that that that? |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
234
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:41:00 -
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Want to disband goons?
Join goonswarm.
Rise to the top over a course of 15 years.
Hit disband. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
530
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:48:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Tiberius Sunstealer wrote: Obviously not you since you're saying that on the forums.
that that that.....that that that that that that,.... that that that that that that that? Hmmmm.. Maybe Herbert Spencer's survival of the fittest is not valid anymore and we need a modern age Charles Darwin to figure out the traits that seem to be surviving today Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Arakkis
Vestige of Vehemence Dragon Swarm Dynasty
35
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:55:00 -
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There was a time where I felt eve was such a sophisticated and a game where thought processes and outside of the box thinking were needed. Part of the draw for me. Still feel that way.
But my mistake was believing a game that encourages these things attracted players who are a bit above the immaturity of forum trolling and other banal activities.
Boy, was I wrong.
But by and large the community is great. But as this thread proves, there are children everywhere.
So to the OP, id think some would be interested in EVE's no nonsense approach to the learning curve. "oh you wanna play Eve, no problem. But dont expect us to hold your hand through the first few hours. Be the smart person we believe you are and adapt."
The best approach to an MMO ive had yet. Join the Knights Of Illusion STE Corporation! Casual and Hardcore gamers! |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
28
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Posted - 2012.08.19 10:21:00 -
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As you all can see above dear new players.
There are some people who would just say anything to protect what they have. Thats EvE also. They are basically saying:
Eve does not need tutorial. EvE university....phhhh.....nonsens, people have brains.
These are the type of fathers that will answer to their 4 year old......"go google it".....when they ask why boys have wieners......
This is why we offer a tutorial which takes you through some of the other aspects of EvE gameplay. So just ignore, please keep mailing!
To those who already mailed us, it can take a bit to answer all these mails, but we we will answer all of them. We even start thinking of having small classes since it might be more efficient. |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
970
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Posted - 2012.08.19 10:48:00 -
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Lord Arakkis wrote:Stuff.
Please point out in copy of initial post where you base your "arguments" on:
Eve being a sandbox it has so many undiscovered gameplay that might easily be a kind of carrot on a stick for any new or young capsuleer and its corporation.
I am asking for you all to share what you think could be viable as a way to welcome new players to this brilliant game called EvE.
I will offer one myself:
Become a underground independent movement like in the real world wars. While you see these huge alliances battle it out in null-sec you could choose to try and tilt the advantages to one side or the other. (you decide what is best for your corp)
For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance.
This is cool for any new or young player and or corporations, since you get to nibble on the bigger picture.
You do have to do some homework though.
But you will learn planning ops, run covert ops, run bombing ops, learn how to travel through other sec space and so on. Think, bombing or obstruct mineral gathering, mining ops of one of these alliances. Think I-Hub destructions in prodcution systems and surrounding systems....that sorta thing......use your fantasy and check out if its feasible before trying. (Dont listen to others, they might feed you propaganda, check out yourself if it is feasible in a quit system or through personal research on game mechanics)
What are your ideas? Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Gulboy
Severasse Mining Severasse Militarized Mining Union
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 12:12:00 -
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Whadafool wrote:take them to low sec and pod them...best thing you can do for a new player. You sir, are an evil person :) |
Lord Zim
1162
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Posted - 2012.08.19 12:26:00 -
[48] - Quote
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:miners in null-sec These still exist? |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
490
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Posted - 2012.08.19 12:30:00 -
[49] - Quote
Posting on a stealthy tech-moon-nerf thread. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
30
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:12:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:miners in null-sec These still exist?
Most certainly |
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Ghazu
36
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:15:00 -
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Yes everybody is supposed to care where 5 alt corp dude posts guys guys lets do something but not really. |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
994
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:20:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Yes everybody is supposed to care where 5 alt corp dude posts guys guys lets do something but not really.
Here, have a bit of cheese.
*cheers* Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
40
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:45:00 -
[53] - Quote
So, anyone actually like to contribute? |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
670
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:49:00 -
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I liked your suggestion, a noobs first day, is all the dumb drama of null sec being introduced to them. As well as the problems that titans and SCs have. You also want to tell them how tech works from moons, then maybe how to target.
After that, then of course they should be allowed to have fun roles to participate in null drama and what ships need to be nerfed or tuned down. All that before even 1 million SP. What a fun game. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1027
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:58:00 -
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rodyas wrote:I liked your suggestion, a noobs first day, is all the dumb drama of null sec being introduced to them. As well as the problems that titans and SCs have. You also want to tell them how tech works from moons, then maybe how to target.
After that, then of course they should be allowed to have fun roles to participate in null drama and what ships need to be nerfed or tuned down. All that before even 1 million SP. What a fun game.
I think you managed to post in the wrong thread. I think you where looking for the "troll the avatar above" thread. Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
672
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:02:00 -
[56] - Quote
I thought every thread was that thread? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
118
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:17:00 -
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:So, anyone actually like to contribute?
Man its rough out here today, 3 pages of garbage posts without a single collective thought or properly formed sentence.
I think ambitions of newbs have to start small and grow over time. Starting out in the game to take down goonswarm is a bit optimistic, I'm sure I don't need to point that out. But for whoever said "google it", while you might find an occasional glimmer of hope the problem with most of whats out there today is that its aged badly and no longer applicable, in fact if you search through sites for advice today I would say 90% of it is really out of date at this point. Battleclinic at this point is a completly misleading and you really gotta watch the dates on ship fits for example. Over the years the game has shifted every which way imaginable and their really is very little actually useful and up to date advice for new players on what to do outside of the scope of basic starter careers (miners and mission runners) on the internetat large... again ... if your googling you gotta be watching the dates. Anything older than 6 months may be completetly useless.
The best advice for new players is, join a corp with good leadership. Good Eve leaders will find a plethera of ways to use the sandbox which you will never read about on a website.
But in the spirit of contribution if I was a new player today with sub million skill points I think I would be poaching wormholes. There is countless ways to take advantage of wormhole space and the skills needed to traverse it aren't really that hard to come by.
PI poaching WH planets is a good proffession for a newbie. It requires a bit of knowledge, but is considerably safer than low sec or null. I could probobly be able to get a good PI poaching operation going with a brand spanking new character in a matter of a week and it would earn me about 100 million ISK a month or better. Character skill wise its pretty basic. Player skill however there is a bit to know.. probing, PI optimization, a bit of ship knowledge, knowing how to use the directional scanner... so ya .. a bit to learn. But I think if I brought in a new player, in the week that he was training up his skills, I could educate him sufficiently to pull this off.
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
40
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:53:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:
Good post, thank you
That is really interesting. Although my initial post was aimed at a somewhat broader scope (upto 10M SP) Where at 10 M SP you actually can start looking into ops which make you take part in the broader picture of EvE. Since at some point you might want to aim at other sec space. With the current image being upheld, many are reluctant to try.
So, in a way, this thread is also about breaking that image.
It is not so much about taking on goonswarm, it is actually having the thrill of influencing outcome, however small, the war progressions these kind of large alliances have. But yes, thanks for good advice before doing so.
Having a option for brand new players, provided by you, is awesome to have in this thread. I hope it will inspire new pilots to figure out how to make use of wormholes.
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
123
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Posted - 2012.08.21 07:12:00 -
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The difference between a 1 million and 10 million piont pilot is pretty insignificant in terms of what you can do solo on a larger scale. I mean sure missions and the like get easier with bigger and better equiped ships, but if we are talking about influencing Eve in a more dramatic way, news flash way, skill points aren't really going to help you.
Really you gotta understand the game as a player, a far harder task than sticking skills in a queue. You can't lead a corp unless you can answer the questions of your fellow players with accuracy nore can you lead it well without understanding the nuances of the many types of operations and higher level functions of Eve, how they work and how to counter them from a competative angle. In short, skill points don't help that much with ambition on a larger scale.
I think if a player wishes to have a larger impact on the game, its all about forming a corp, leading it successfully, forming an Alliance, leading it suffcessfully, joining a coalition and leading your alliance within it successfully. What aspect of Eve you get involved in doesn't matter so much (be in SOV warefare, economics or what have you), but influence in Eve comes in the form of leadership of a larger number of players. 1 player can't do much, 1 player leading 2000 can dominate the game.
Still it think a player can carve out a niche leading small groups. Bounty hunting for example can make you famous quite quickly if your successful in taking down some of Eves biggest and baddest. Aquisition of wealth can also result in you having considerable influence on markets and the economy, I know players that have trillions in their wallet and can quickly overwhelm market prices and manipulate the living crap out of Jita on a whim.
I'm sure there is more to be said on the subject but I think at the center of a discussion in which a single player influences larger parts of Eve is leadership which has very little to do with skill points and everything to do with understanding the nuances of Eve. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
42
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Posted - 2012.08.21 08:28:00 -
[60] - Quote
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
Still it think a player can carve out a niche leading small groups. Bounty hunting for example can make you famous quite quickly if your successful in taking down some of Eves biggest and baddest. Aquisition of wealth can also result in you having considerable influence on markets and the economy, I know players that have trillions in their wallet and can quickly overwhelm market prices and manipulate the living crap out of Jita on a whim.
That is a great addition, thank you.
I have quoted the part that I think has the most relevance in regard to this thread.
I am going to change the initial post a little bit to reflect what you said, partially. At least ask the question differently. |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2436
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:40:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kryss Darkdust wrote:Still it think a player can carve out a niche leading small groups. Bounty hunting for example can make you famous quite quickly if your successful in taking down some of Eves biggest and baddest. Good luck using the bounty system as intended.
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
EoE-Group
49
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Posted - 2012.08.21 21:42:00 -
[62] - Quote
like said |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2357
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Posted - 2012.08.21 21:57:00 -
[63] - Quote
This thread is really picking up speed, as all things do when going downhill. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1109
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Posted - 2012.08.21 22:13:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:This thread is really picking up speed, as all things do when going downhill.
thats gravity for you Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
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