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Crimson's Girl
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.01.26 05:25:00 -
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I know most players won't want to do this but like you said, it's your character and you have to look at every time you play Eve.
There's a way to make them not look so Asian, you just have to spend hours working with the top section of the face. While creating the Avatar, raise the eyebrows and eyes, try moving the eyes a bit further out from each other, also work the upper eyelids which will remove a lot of the slant in the eyes. Also the eyebrow, outer and inner forehead part will change the look. Not to mention as others have said, background, lighting, the pose, etc can also help. Then again if done incorrectly, it can also make it appear Asian even more so.
Look at the original, think of a Movie Star that it sorta resembles, then use a picture of the movie star as a template, after that, use your original old character and make little changes on the new one to match it.
I spent hours and hours working on this one and I think I did a good job of getting her to not look Asian. To me she looks Hispanic or Latin and I believe she closely resembles the old original one I used to have. I'm very happy with the way she turned out. Not to mention DeMichael Crimson is also very happy.
I used a Facial picture of actress Alyssa Milano (Charmed) as my template.
Now and Then
Hell, there was a bunch of times that I thought I was done, then while in the portrait screen, I'd see something that wasn't quite right and go back to the creation screen. And it wasn't just the eyes, I also did numerous slight changes to the hair color, the makeup, nose, lips, chin, jaw, ears, etc. a few different times until I ended up with what I have now. Then it was hours messing with the backgrounds, lighting, the pose, zooming, etc.
Good luck to you and I hope this info helps. Bottom line, the creator is way funky and on my computer it's a bit laggy as well, so make small mouse movements and slight changes. Eventually you'll be happy with the way it looks and that's the main thing.
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catinboots
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Posted - 2011.01.26 06:22:00 -
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LOOK AT ME! Do i really look so bad being a vherokior (or however you spell it )
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.26 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: De'Veldrin aside from the way the eyes make them look half asleep.
There is no possible way to avoid doing that with Vherokior. It's awful.
Good thing they get sunglasses at least
Indeed.
Vherokior did NOT look asian before, they actually had very BIG eyes, there's no use denying that and could be very pale. They more looked latinas.
For instance: De'Veldrin I don't possibly see the relation between the new and old look?!
Personally I have nothing against asians, that doesn't mean I want to look like one!
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:08:00 -
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I like my new looks. I tried some other models too, but I think Vherokiors are supreme
If you are so ****ed off of your char, why don't you do something like this?
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:19:00 -
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Sup, Vherokior here. Why u no want to be asian?
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catinboots
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:23:00 -
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I was suprised that they made the vherokior oriental , and took me 2 tries to make up this avatar but i am pleased with it it looks both tribal and oriental , it need. some work to get the potrait how you want it so i encourage the op to give it a try and when you don't like it you always can have a second go
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Knobfer Jones
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:46:00 -
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Erm, why is it that you're surprised at vherokior being asian? My guy has always had an asian look to him. But check him out now, he looks like a Jamaican Yardie!
You have to look at your toon for 2 seconds whilst you log in, then thats it.. Sheesh hardly a deal breaker. Look at the shiny ships instead, or, like you said, quit.
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Kiriana Kockroach
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kiriana Kockroach on 26/01/2011 08:58:44 As others have said, the use of sunglasses and lighting can make you look much less asian, check my picture for example, a vherokior who doesn't look asian at all.
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Karbonforms
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Posted - 2011.01.26 09:03:00 -
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eh? I don't look remotely asian.
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Natelia
Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2011.01.26 09:09:00 -
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It's all about positioning and light.
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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.26 09:15:00 -
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Well, for me it's mostly this "half-asleep look" which I'd love to have removed, doubt it'll be done tho. But even like this you can make good enough avatars without sunglases.
Originally by: Corozan Aspinall One Japanese member was bemoaning the fact they now look southern Chinese. Apparently thats really bad.
I think it's like becoming canadian for average american or something. |
Davanev Hraldirsson
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Posted - 2011.01.26 09:21:00 -
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Part of the problem was the old creator. Male Vheriokor looked pretty asian - as was intended. Females tho could be made much less so very easily and even the random female you started with was usually not strongly asian looking.
I think we will see more complaints from surprised female than male characters.
However there is no change here - vherioker has always been an asian themed race.
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.26 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Davanev Hraldirsson Part of the problem was the old creator. Male Vheriokor looked pretty asian - as was intended. Females tho could be made much less so very easily and even the random female you started with was usually not strongly asian looking.
I think we will see more complaints from surprised female than male characters.
However there is no change here - vherioker has always been an asian themed race.
Asian themed perhaps yes (how could we know, btw), asian looking no. This is perhaps indeed as you say, mainly for the females.
It's also funny that all the other booodline threads are about how nice they look and the Vherokior one is called "New avatar races aren't so good for Minmatar Vherokior" .. that should tell something.
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catinboots
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Knobfer Jones Erm, why is it that you're surprised at vherokior being asian? My guy has always had an asian look to him. But check him out now, he looks like a Jamaican Yardie!
You have to look at your toon for 2 seconds whilst you log in, then thats it.. Sheesh hardly a deal breaker. Look at the shiny ships instead, or, like you said, quit.
I was suprised because my old potrait didn't even look asian, and it is only recently i kooked up about the vherokior But i am veryHappy with how i look Now
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Anakin Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:25:00 -
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Been playing the game for a while on my main - since RMR as I recall. Not sure how but I have always known that the 3rd bloodline for each faction was Asian themed and to some degree asian looking - some more than others I agree, but all were meant to be asian. For that reason I never even contemplated using them for any of my characters as that would be hard to for me to associate with.
Likewise Brutor - meant to have african/polynesian looks. You could fudge a dark skinned whiitish guy out of the Brutor model, but never 100% convincingly.
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Flybiere
Gallente Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:36:00 -
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Wow. I know its a knee jerk reaction and we shouldn't be affraid to talk about race when there really is an issue, but the general tone of the post and some of the other comments makes me realize just how subtle racism can be.
It really is not a big deal but for some reason you feel that if your avatar is asian you wont play the game any more.
I would certainly feel pretty insulted if someone told me their avatar being white was too much for them, even if it wasn't meant to be a racist comment. It just brings up the question why. What is so wrong with having a white avatar.
So I ask you, what is wrong with having an asian avatar? Especially since you chose it in the first place?
Anyway, here is my Asian Alt, who I must say is quite strapping:
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1180684838_256.jpg
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Flybiere I would certainly feel pretty insulted if someone told me their avatar being white was too much for them, even if it wasn't meant to be a racist comment. It just brings up the question why. What is so wrong with having a white avatar.
So I ask you, what is wrong with having an asian avatar? Especially since you chose it in the first place?
That's not the point. The point is that people should be able to look like they want, that people made a character they wanted in the first place and that CCP now forces you to look like you don't want, be it black, yellow, green, orange, grey, blue or white.
Nothing to do with racism at all! ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread - |
Flybiere
Gallente Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Flybiere on 26/01/2011 10:54:23
Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Originally by: Flybiere I would certainly feel pretty insulted if someone told me their avatar being white was too much for them, even if it wasn't meant to be a racist comment. It just brings up the question why. What is so wrong with having a white avatar.
So I ask you, what is wrong with having an asian avatar? Especially since you chose it in the first place?
That's not the point. The point is that people should be able to look like they want, that people made a character they wanted in the first place and that CCP now forces you to look like you don't want, be it black, yellow, green, orange, grey, blue or white.
Nothing to do with racism at all!
Bloodlines decided your look before, they decide them now. Maybe the old creator wasn't quite as good at conveying the actual race of the old avatars but this new one certainly is.
What annoys me is that this tard is willing to quit the game because he now looks like an asian.
The bloodlines in this game are there to help convey the history of EvE and new Eden, which has most certainly been filled with racial hatred over the millenia. Deciding what you want to look like is decided when you choose the bloodline. Personally I chose my bloodlines based on the traits they exhibited rather than the way they looked but other people have other motivations it would seem.
Edit: Oh, and so we can be sure here is the guys original avatar. Pale sure... Caucasian? Debatable...
http://oldportraits.eveonline.com/Character/119540960_256.jpg
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Flybiere Edit: Oh, and so we can be sure here is the guys original avatar. Pale sure... Caucasian? Debatable...
http://oldportraits.eveonline.com/Character/119540960_256.jpg
That toon is Caldari of the Achura bloodline and probably his alt.
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Flybiere What annoys me is that this tard is willing to quite the game because he now looks like an asian.
Still I doubt it that they quit because it's asian and not because it's not what they want. I guess they don't want to be blue skinned Avatar like creatures either nor green space orcs. If you wouldn't mind it because you only do it for "the traits they exhibited", well that's not true for everyone. ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread - |
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Flybiere
Gallente Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Originally by: Flybiere What annoys me is that this tard is willing to quite the game because he now looks like an asian.
Still I doubt it that they quit because it's asian and not because it's not what they want. I guess they don't want to be blue skinned Avatar like creatures either nor green space orcs. If you wouldn't mind it because you only do it for "the traits they exhibited", well that's not true for everyone.
The game world decides the parameters and seeing as we are meant to be human beings in the EvE universe, things you don't like about the avatars race have some bearing, intention or not, on their real world equivilants. If we were all Big Green and Space Orks (I mean in real life here) and our avatars were analogues of our real selves then it would be pretty insulting and racist to start saying I don't want to look like some short toofed, hook nosed grot. Except that Orks would probably just use that for an excuse for a bloody good fight. Bad example, but you see what I am getting at?
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Taattii
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Knobfer Jones Erm, why is it that you're surprised at vherokior being asian? My guy has always had an asian look to him. But check him out now, he looks like a Jamaican Yardie!
You have to look at your toon for 2 seconds whilst you log in, then thats it.. Sheesh hardly a deal breaker. Look at the shiny ships instead, or, like you said, quit.
WRONG: Walking in stations , you have to look at it everytime you DOCK and WALK IN STATIONS.
Your not thinking for the future. YOu think they did this remodelling all for 2 seconds login page viewing? Wise up.
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Charoline De'Lanari
Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:20:00 -
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I am pretty happy with my avatar actually, took me some time, but the character creator really allows for good customization
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Charoline De'Lanari I am pretty happy with my avatar actually, took me some time, but the character creator really allows for good customization
I spent hours on my toon avatar, still cannot soften down the Asian look. To make it more annoying they have her head bobbing around all the damn time while im resculpting. WTF.
There is a LOT of unhappy players out there now, FACT.
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Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:25:00 -
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We're hot.
That is all.
P.S: Male ones always looked kinda asian to me.
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Flybiere
Gallente Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla There is a LOT of unhappy players out there now, FACT.
Thing is, it always the same bunch of unhappy players.
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Jupix
Minmatar MuroBBS United
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:28:00 -
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We look fine.
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Taattii
Originally by: Knobfer Jones Erm, why is it that you're surprised at vherokior being asian? My guy has always had an asian look to him. But check him out now, he looks like a Jamaican Yardie!
You have to look at your toon for 2 seconds whilst you log in, then thats it.. Sheesh hardly a deal breaker. Look at the shiny ships instead, or, like you said, quit.
WRONG: Walking in stations , you have to look at it everytime you DOCK and WALK IN STATIONS.
Your not thinking for the future. YOu think they did this remodelling all for 2 seconds login page viewing? Wise up.
STOP TROLLING OP...
do some background reading,,, CCP have stated its an on going project and stop being so whiny.
Instead of being a negative jerk off about something you have no firm information on and will not effect anybody for a considerable time support the idea of cosmetic surgery in WiS.
Also post on the character effected and not your troll account
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Taattii Edited by: Taattii on 25/01/2011 22:42:46 Why is my avatar now asian?
I used to be a nice pale colour before :(
I don't want to be asian.
Then why did you picked the asian themed bloodline?
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Taattii
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Originally by: Taattii Edited by: Taattii on 25/01/2011 22:42:46 Why is my avatar now asian?
I used to be a nice pale colour before :(
I don't want to be asian.
Then why did you picked the asian themed bloodline?
I didn't know my toon was asian at the time, I joined in 2008 not 2006 so did not see prior change notes as a lot of people didnt.
The toon creator back then did not say THIS IS AN ASIAN TOON now did it?
I made that bloodline based on SKILLS it give me and the characters looked nice then, now they look crap.
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