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Rayaghuma Caldari Caldari Navy Logistic-Support Division	Posted - 2011.01.26 16:51:00 - [1] What do you think, would this a good (but expensive) fit to survive the incursion? My intention was to create a fit that will survive, no matter what happens. [Rattlesnake, Incursion Survival Fit] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Warp Core Stabilizer II Warp Core Stabilizer II Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Ionic Field Projector II Large Ionic Field Projector II Hobgoblin II x5 Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x5 Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot II x5 Warden II x5 The purpose of this ship is to support the fleet with armor/shields, itself with a good ability to keep long enough alive and the ability to warp out, even if scrambled. This under the assumption that scamblers/jammers dont stack (sorry, Im a PvP n00b in EVE, no clue if it works this way) Maybe a 2nd WCS is not necessary when the sanshas only use jammer (no clue). This ship still got a 60km targeting range, even more if only 1 WCS is needed. The empty high slot can still be used for useful stuff like shield transporter or so... Would this work or is it just crap?
Captain Die Suicide by Cop	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:02:00 - [2] With those stabs, good luck targeting anything. --- DIE
Spenz Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:04:00 - [3] That is an expensive fit to lose...and you WILL lose it because you have no buffer. You can't active tank the sansha in heavier incursion sites. Best survival setups I have seen get more than 100k effective hitpoints after 80% debuff. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:37:00 - [4] Seems like a kitted out Damnation is the best option and considerably cheaper then above plus you get gang support It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Sniffy McJiggles	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:50:00 - [5] Back to the drawing board afraid..
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.01.26 21:09:00 - [6] That fit will die horribly to sansha zomg alpha strikes well before your logis can kill the rr cycle and switch back to you. Plus it has terrible dps from missiles alone which is what you need to focus your dps on as sansha are much like the sleepers and will gladly pop your sentries. [Raven, Basic Incursion] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 But I suppose if you are dead set on using it then it can certainly get one of the best buffer resist tanks around. [Rattlesnake, Waste] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Devastator Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Devastator Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Devastator Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Devastator Cruise Missile Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Bouncer II x5
Wardeneo Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:16:00 - [7] Edited by: Wardeneo on 26/01/2011 22:16:10 Originally by: Rayaghuma What do you think, would this a good (but expensive) fit to survive the incursion? RATTLESNAKE? To over-kill!?!.... AS stated here... Another incution Thread Quote; Originally by: Wardeneo Edited by: MamonSan on 26/01/2011 14:40:14 HeLLo Boys & Girls type of ships, would be best used, incursion, 10/10 complexes FORGET GALLENTE SHIPS, WHAT U NEED IS... Stilleto's (Yes Minmitar Interceptors are the "T.I.T.S" for incurtions) - Dont believe me? ok... LOL APHA See told you Hope this helps.... DISCLAIMER(s); NO STILLETO'S WERE INJURED DURING THE MAKING OF THIS PHOTO - OK I LIED, SO SUE ME :) Also im not the creator/owner of this photo - something random that was linked in Corp chat :) Mkay thanks . - Wardeneo - - Elite Forum Ninja -
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:30:00 - [8] This was posted last night to the incursion fleet I was in. This is why there is no safe tank fit. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Seriously Bored on 26/01/2011 22:35:22 Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Fits Those looked decent to me at first glance (well, the Raven did), but you're really going to need a cap booster on those things, which will eat into either your resists or your buffer... Sadly, there's a reason BS shield RR never quite got off the ground. ED: Originally by: stoicfaux This was posted last night to the incursion fleet I was in. This is why there is no safe tank fit. Ow. ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Main ForumAlt	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:49:00 - [10] Kids: Never ever never put four CPRs on a shield booster fit.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Boltorano on 26/01/2011 23:04:42 Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 26/01/2011 22:41:14 This was posted last night to the incursion fleet I was in. This is why there is no safe tank fit. edit: Hrmph, my link is a dupe of Wardeneo's lol alpha link. Except that screenshot is not from an Incursion site, it's from a Live Event. (Incursions don't have standard belt rats with standard belt rat names.)
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Main ForumAlt Kids: Never ever never put four CPRs on a shield booster fit. Umm. Actually? If you do put CPRs on an active shield tank you want to put on as many as possible. Negatives are nicely stacking penalized into meaninglessness. Positives keep on keeping on. Overall, it's not a horrible (though very niche) idea.
superteds	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Main ForumAlt Kids: Never ever never put four CPRs on a shield booster fit. Umm. Actually? If you do put CPRs on an active shield tank you want to put on as many as possible. Negatives are nicely stacking penalized into meaninglessness. Positives keep on keeping on. Overall, it's not a horrible (though very niche) idea. ^ there's only a few ships it works on though, only one i can think that regularly fits like this is the chimera.
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.27 00:16:00 - [14] Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 26/01/2011 22:41:14 This was posted last night to the incursion fleet I was in. This is why there is no safe tank fit. edit: Hrmph, my link is a dupe of Wardeneo's lol alpha link. Maybe Quote: [Ishtar, WhenThing****theFan] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Co-Processor II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Bouncer II x5 Garde II x5 Warrior II x5 Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x5 Hammerhead II x5 In a fleet getting both a sig radius and armor resist mods (so it will need two command class ships, with characters skilled to MAX them using the respective mindlinks). Drop your sentry drones then kick on the AB and pull the closet orbit you can around them to get your transversal up.
Tekitha Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.01.27 01:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Rayaghuma What do you think, would this a good (but expensive) fit to survive the incursion? My intention was to create a fit that will survive, no matter what happens. [Rattlesnake, Incursion Survival Fit] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Warp Core Stabilizer II Warp Core Stabilizer II Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Ionic Field Projector II Large Ionic Field Projector II Hobgoblin II x5 Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x5 Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot II x5 Warden II x5 The purpose of this ship is to support the fleet with armor/shields, itself with a good ability to keep long enough alive and the ability to warp out, even if scrambled. This under the assumption that scamblers/jammers dont stack (sorry, Im a PvP n00b in EVE, no clue if it works this way) Maybe a 2nd WCS is not necessary when the sanshas only use jammer (no clue). This ship still got a 60km targeting range, even more if only 1 WCS is needed. The empty high slot can still be used for useful stuff like shield transporter or so... Would this work or is it just crap? check the penalty of a cap power relays and think again ... as to points (warp scams / disruptors) - each separate point of warp scramble applied to ur ship needs 1 warp core stab to negate, so if ur scrammed by 3 different frigates, 2 WCS's aint gonna help much until u remove one of them by force. as others have pointed out, active tanks arent gonna help u what-so-ever ... if u get neuted ur dead, if the alpha from rats (in the case of incursions literally 3-4 ships) is too high those reppers arent gonna keep u alive long enuff to even cycle. back to the drawing board tbh. No solo ship is gonna be in anyway effective in any incursion site, u need a gang of well fitted ships with dedicated logistics and buffer tank setups. Don't believe the hype!
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Seriously Bored Edited by: Seriously Bored on 26/01/2011 22:35:22 Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Fits Those looked decent to me at first glance (well, the Raven did), but you're really going to need a cap booster on those things, which will eat into either your resists or your buffer... Sadly, there's a reason BS shield RR never quite got off the ground. ED: Originally by: stoicfaux This was posted last night to the incursion fleet I was in. This is why there is no safe tank fit. Ow. So having cap fed to you with an energy transfer chain is not working now to keep your hardners running? Hrmmm. That raven fit worked a charm on the sisi incursions I ran in though to be fair the highest sites we did was an assault. The shield transfer was simply for extra rr on your energy transfer mate if the logi dropped the ball for those critical few seconds when they switch to a new target.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.27 07:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu So having cap fed to you with an energy transfer chain is not working now to keep your hardners running? Hrmmm. That raven fit worked a charm on the sisi incursions I ran in though to be fair the highest sites we did was an assault. The shield transfer was simply for extra rr on your energy transfer mate if the logi dropped the ball for those critical few seconds when they switch to a new target. Your personal experience trumps my rampant theorycrafting. I was under the impression that you were trying to rely on those shield and cap transfers consistently, not just to support a Logi when its pants are down. The fit now looks good to me again. ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Wardeneo Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:07:00 - [18] Edited by: Wardeneo on 27/01/2011 11:11:27 Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 26/01/2011 22:41:14 This was posted last night to the incursion fleet I was in. This is why there is no safe tank fit. edit: Hrmph, my link is a dupe of Wardeneo's lol alpha link. SO IM BEAT YOU TOO IT ? ! ? - WHAT DO I WIN ???? Originally by: Main ForumAlt Kids: Never ever never put four CPRs on a shield booster fit. This... Originally by: Boltorano Edited by: Boltorano on 26/01/2011 23:04:42 Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 26/01/2011 22:41:14 This was posted last night to the incursion fleet I was in. This is why there is no safe tank fit. edit: Hrmph, my link is a dupe of Wardeneo's lol alpha link. Except that screenshot is not from an Incursion site, it's from a Live Event. (Incursions don't have standard belt rats with standard belt rat names.) 1) i dont see any belts ^^ 2) Whats a Live event? 3) Incurtions suck anyway so meh :) Carry on.... :) . - Wardeneo - - Elite Forum Ninja -
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.29 21:00:00 - [19] Answer to topic = fleet. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Rayaghuma Caldari Caldari Navy Logistic-Support Division	Posted - 2011.01.30 15:12:00 - [20] Updated the OP with better fits. Still... nothing for the poor

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