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Danna Hande	Posted - 2011.01.28 08:35:00 - [1] Hello, what ship types can a Battlecruiser beat 1v1? And any chance to beats 2 ships at once? Imagine, Harbinger vs. a HAC (choose one), who would win? Or two AF¦s vs. one Battlecruiser. Or an Interdictor + Cruiser vs. a Battlecruiser. Who would win? Lets say all pilots got equal skill and take it as all pilots want to fight, no one want to flee away and ships are fitted for PvP.
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.01.28 08:58:00 - [2] Depends. End of thread. ~
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:10:00 - [3] Sorry, but your question is still too broad. What kind of battlecruiser(s) are you looking at? How will they be fitted? Simply flying a ship does not necessarily guarantee victory or loss. Depending on which ship it is and how it is fitted it might lose against frigates or beat battleships. Example 1: An Ishkur (T2 Gallente Frigate) fit with an AB, scram, tracking disruptor, and armor repper could hypothetically kill a 'mega buffered' Prophecy (Tier 1 Amarr battlecruiser) if given enough time. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
ChromeStriker	Posted - 2011.01.28 10:01:00 - [4] too much work to answer a question that you shouldnÆt need to ask! there are no æthis will beat thisÆ in eve. Way too many variables (LOADS) and thatÆs not taking into account the pilot
Aethera Cura	Posted - 2011.01.28 11:06:00 - [5] Triple Trimark 'geddon. It will out tank most any BC and in the mean time you can dps through pretty much anything, even while tanking gate / station guns. Just make sure you aren't taking on more targets than your tank can handle, but if you know what you're doing, just do what I do and grab a Navy 'geddon and go balls to the walls with teaching those damn hurricane / drake kids a lesson they shan't soon forget
napolion II	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:05:00 - [6] I believe the battlecruiser was deployed to bridge the gap between the cruiser class and the battleship class of vessels
VanNostrum	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:26:00 - [7] Battleships
Millie Clode Amarr Insert Cool Name Here	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Danna Hande Hello, what ship types can a Battlecruiser beat 1v1? Depends on the pilot and the Battlecruiser. Nanocanes can solo almost anything. Quote: And any chance to beats 2 ships at once? Imagine, Harbinger vs. a HAC (choose one), who would win? Or two AF¦s vs. one Battlecruiser. Or an Interdictor + Cruiser vs. a Battlecruiser. Who would win? Again, depends on the situation. Any of zealot, muninn or either of the caldari HACs can sit out of the Harb's range and pwn it until the Harb either dies or runs. Interdictors are pretty flimsy, unless the BC in question is a prophecy or an all-tank draek, it would last a few seconds so you'd be talking a cruiser vs BC 1v1. ---------- Who, me?
Bongo Debbie Minmatar Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Bluejacket CT Depends. ----
ChromeStriker	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Bongo Debbie Originally by: Bluejacket CT Depends.
Jack Abramof	Posted - 2011.01.28 17:03:00 - [11] 1 vs 1 a BC can kill almost anything up to its size
Logical Chaos Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2011.01.29 00:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Aethera Cura Triple Trimark 'geddon. It will out tank most any BC and in the mean time you can dps through pretty much anything, even while tanking gate / station guns. Just make sure you aren't taking on more targets than your tank can handle, but if you know what you're doing, just do what I do and grab a Navy 'geddon and go balls to the walls with teaching those damn hurricane / drake kids a lesson they shan't soon forget quoting the most fail comment in this thread regarding BattleCRUISERS
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.01.29 01:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Danna Hande And any chance to beats 2 ships at once? Yes Quote: Imagine, Harbinger vs. a HAC (choose one) The Harb, but it could be hard pressed to catch the HAC Quote: Or two AF¦s vs. one Battlecruiser. The Battlecruiser wins. AFs are laughably bad against larger hulls. Quote: Or an Interdictor + Cruiser vs. a Battlecruiser. Battlecruiser wins. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.01.29 07:31:00 - [14] You'll need to be a bit more specific before we can give useful info really Danna. Would be helpful to know what ship you intend to fly, how its fit and what ships you intend on engaging. For your hypothetical harby vs HAC in most engagements, assuming a fairly standard armour tanked pulse harbinger, the HAC will usually either burn out of scram/disruptor range and warp off or try to use its superior speed to kite the harby. Exceptions would be the Deimos, blaster fit Ishtars and blaster fit Eagles which would close range to maximise their DPS. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
The Rotator Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.29 16:24:00 - [15] Drake buy
laffbot	Posted - 2011.01.29 23:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Aethera Cura Triple Trimark 'geddon. It will out tank most any BC and in the mean time you can dps through pretty much anything, even while tanking gate / station guns. Just make sure you aren't taking on more targets than your tank can handle, but if you know what you're doing, just do what I do and grab a Navy 'geddon and go balls to the walls with teaching those damn hurricane / drake kids a lesson they shan't soon forget lol
Adophnil Amarr Dark Reality Unified Dead Man's Hand.	Posted - 2011.01.30 07:33:00 - [17] "Depends" was the best answer your going to get, and the correct one. Battlecruisers can beat any ship class 1v1 - they can also lose to the same class. Fit and tactics matter as much as class. I.E. A dual webbed 220mm buffered cane with 2x medium neuts easily melts a frigate. The same cane with 425mms and no web (fail) loses. Alternately, that 425mm might take down an Abaddon by orbiting at 500 in a very close fight that the 220mm would lose. In the "vs HAC" scenario- the battlecruiser will generally win or drive the offending HAC away. Then again, it once more depends. It's not impossible to kill a battlecruiser with a HAC. Your last statement doesn't equate to reality. I want to suicide my vagabond against scorch rather than fly out of range and live to fight another day because "i didn't want to flee away". No. Not the mentality of any competent Pvper, much less a solo artist who is in it to win.
CoffinBait Star Frontiers Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.01.30 13:16:00 - [18] An arbitrator has a fair chance of beating a noob harbinger or a neut-less cane IF he has no friends in a 5 jumps radius. He might die of boredom too ... Active tank , boosters and a TD . Against a good pilot ... depends , never had the chance to try it.
Pax Thar Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.01.30 15:06:00 - [19] Depends on the BC, but ill assume your in a hurrican since that wha i know most about. If I were nano fit id be confident i could solo almost anything, or get out.
Terminator56	Posted - 2011.01.30 17:48:00 - [20] It really depends on the type of BC and the fit. I fly a drake and it can take on just about anything.In general I would say a well fit BC can easily tank cruisers and frigs. I was able to take on a rifter, blackbird, and hurricane at the same time and win in my drake (they were younger players though).
Pearre Dash	Posted - 2011.01.31 10:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Darek Castigatus You'll need to be a bit more specific before we can give useful info really Danna. Would be helpful to know what ship you intend to fly, how its fit and what ships you intend on engaging. For your hypothetical harby vs HAC in most engagements, assuming a fairly standard armour tanked pulse harbinger, the HAC will usually either burn out of scram/disruptor range and warp off or try to use its superior speed to kite the harby. Exceptions would be the Deimos, blaster fit Ishtars and blaster fit Eagles which would close range to maximise their DPS. It's not very easy to kite a Harby thanks to Scorch, it has a great engagement envelope.
Scyth Darkhope Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.31 13:13:00 - [22] Although I won't be able to answer the question, I hope I can focus it more. Assume first of hand that in a 1vs1 fight there are 4 possible outcomes: it is either win/draw (the opponent flees)/draw (the player flees)/lost, from a player's point of view. Now, of course the question of the OP can be phrased more exactly in four different ways: assuming perfect play on the both parts, with ship compositions known beforehand, what are the probabilities of the outcomes, assuming perfect play on the both parts, with ship compositions unknown beforehand but tailored to the situation, what are the probabilities of the outcomes, assuming perfect play on the both parts, with ship compositions drawn from a set of optimal all around ship fittings, what are the probabilities of the outcomes, assuming perfect play on the part of the player but average play on the part of the opponent, with ship compositions drawn from a set of optimal all around ship fittings, what are the probabilities of the outcomes. From a logical point of view, I would say that the answer of the first question is that the probabilities of the outcomes are promissing if the opponent ship is smaller. My reason is that smaller ships have lower amount of modules, so there is greater versatility in a BC than in an assault frig, for instance. P.S. The answer to the other questions, and more interesting, i might add, is estimated throughout a long career in PVP. I've done the calculations, but this post-script is too small to contain them.
Diesel47	Posted - 2011.01.31 14:31:00 - [23] Like the first post said... it really depends. But BCs are the best bang for buck PVP ships in the game. They can take out anything sub-capital, the exception being battleships which they have trouble with. If you are trying to find out whether BC is a good skill point investment the answer is a 100% yes.
Aznwithbeard Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.01.31 14:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Diesel47 Like the first post said... it really depends. But BCs are the best bang for buck PVP ships in the game. They can take out anything sub-capital, the exception being battleships which they have trouble with. If you are trying to find out whether BC is a good skill point investment the answer is a 100% yes. ^ this. depending on your fit, and the enemies fit/moron level, a BC can take out anything subcap in new eden. Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Concubinia Scarlett	Posted - 2011.01.31 16:58:00 - [25] Scissors! No, Paper! No, wait...

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