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Crookster Gallente Darkwave Technologies Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.01.28 11:33:00 - [1] Ina discussion about the growing size / power of the Power bloc's, the idea of CONCORD charging for Blue status similar to the war declarations came up. if alliances had to pay 50m a week to blue another alliance, and that value incresed as it does with war dec's then there would be a limit each alliance is prepared to go to. Given that in many cases all parties in a Nap fest have to blue each other, the limit would be the wallet of the poorest member. At the very least, it would create unstable coallitions, and make it harder to put together the huge Blobs, at best it would break up some of the Larger power blocs that are only Napped for convienence not actual trust. The easier it is to create huge power blocs the harder it will be to counter the blob fests that are ruining the fun game play in 0.0. It would provide an Isk sink for CCP, and put pressure on excessive Nap's, and/or require the larger power bloc's to be more selective about friends and boundries they fly in. with a few exceptions, i bet everyone has blues on their list they dont know why they are there, or dont really need. Flame on.
L A G Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.28 11:42:00 - [2] Actually they are introducing a quantum controller in fleets, not NAPs, you will be allowed to blue as many people still it will just be inefficient since you will have to pay for the more people you have in your fleet. It also kills off fleet boosters and the new bonuses you get while in fleet, in other words if 90% of your NAP train is in a fleet, you will most likely be paying approx. 60 bill alone in upkeep or so. "But we could exploit and just have everything neut with benefits right", sure but then you are going to lose sov by default, since neighbouring sov WILL affect enemies or neutrals sov. In other words if NC decided to reset everyone and have a 'neut with benefit' their bordering systems will be heavily contested and because of their huge size (goons, Razor Morsus RMT) means none of their pets will be able to claim sov and taking their space will require no messing around with timers. Dont you love how 0.0 will turn out, numbers no longer will control the outcome ;)
paracidic Amarr Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.28 11:43:00 - [3] would not make a difference, all you would do is set the hostiles red and tell everyone that neut is the new blue. nice try tho. *********************************************** Everything ever written by a goon or DS1 member is absolutely factual and should not be challanged in anyway.
filingo rapongo Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:01:00 - [4] this is a stupid idea
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:02:00 - [5] Originally by: paracidic would not make a difference, all you would do is set the hostiles red and tell everyone that neut is the new blue. nice try tho.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Pastry Productions Inc. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:38:00 - [6] Originally by: paracidic would not make a difference, all you would do is set the hostiles red and tell everyone that neut is the new blue. nice try tho. Nope, you would set your allies red, rest is free to go. So current "reds" stops to excist. You only have allies "red" and rest. So then you have to pay for setting any standings if it gonna work
Lee'lei Gallente Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.28 16:44:00 - [7] Just because you have no friends INIT doesn't mean the rest of the universe doesn't either. If they start punishing people for making diplomatic alliances and friends then the whole sandbox thing goes right out the ****ing window and eve will cascade.
m0jo Minmatar Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.28 16:53:00 - [8] Nah you guys arent even thinking about it the right way. In order for huge naps like NC to exist with these changes that are proposed here is this, Just make one big alliance, the skills necessary are there. For fleets tho it will only stop ppl blobbing in one gang. Now there will be 3 friendly gangs or more depending on amount of ppl you are trying to bring.
ImmaSplodeYou Amarr HAMMERHOUSE Syndicate.	Posted - 2011.01.28 17:36:00 - [9] Originally by: m0jo Nah you guys arent even thinking about it the right way. In order for huge naps like NC to exist with these changes that are proposed here is this, Just make one big alliance, the skills necessary are there. For fleets tho it will only stop ppl blobbing in one gang. Now there will be 3 friendly gangs or more depending on amount of ppl you are trying to bring. For ages I wondered why the NC didn't do this, then I realised; There are limits to the number of people you can have in one alliance If all sov everywhere in the north was suddenly wiped out save for Tribute, JBs would go down and general havoc would ensue with Geminate and perhaps Tenal and Pure Blind being taken by DRF and Ev0ke, so it's in their interests to maintain their current situation. Also it helps to divide forces so that Vuk Lau doesn't have to micro manage over 40000 people (Yes paper numbers are bad) /tinfoil
Naecuss Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:32:00 - [10] CCP dont bork and mess around with standings, U don't get levvied in real life ffs . Fix lag and fix exploits and leave the sandbox alone.. whether you have 5,000 or 500 in Alliance you all know the 10% rule applies in most cases. I for one are enjoying the roams, ganks, griefs and lagfest fights thats eve. I seen 60K online and I have many a WOW fanbois hitting their last level and quitting so it cant be that bad after a few years I am still logging. "Riding high on Lucifer's Spokes just keep on rolling n rolling."

Nynjato Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:48:00 - [11] I foresee a future where all of null is NAPed. My vision is not cynical like most, rather optimistic. Once everyone is blue and sedated the festering boredom will rise up. As an alternative there will be fights for NPC nullsec and lowsec just to keep active by all the major players but eventually everything will break down and devolve into a universe wide all out war. You see all of null being pacified? I see a powder keg being loaded. Signature removed for not being EVE Related. Zymurgist
Calfis Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Crookster Ina discussion about the growing size / power of the Power bloc's, the idea of CONCORD charging for Blue status similar to the war declarations came up. if alliances had to pay 50m a week to blue another alliance, and that value incresed as it does with war dec's then there would be a limit each alliance is prepared to go to. Given that in many cases all parties in a Nap fest have to blue each other, the limit would be the wallet of the poorest member. At the very least, it would create unstable coallitions, and make it harder to put together the huge Blobs, at best it would break up some of the Larger power blocs that are only Napped for convienence not actual trust. The easier it is to create huge power blocs the harder it will be to counter the blob fests that are ruining the fun game play in 0.0. It would provide an Isk sink for CCP, and put pressure on excessive Nap's, and/or require the larger power bloc's to be more selective about friends and boundries they fly in. with a few exceptions, i bet everyone has blues on their list they dont know why they are there, or dont really need. Flame on. We were outblobbed, we lost, we accept that. Please stop posting.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Pastry Productions Inc. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Nynjato I foresee a future where all of null is NAPed. My vision is not cynical like most, rather optimistic. Once everyone is blue and sedated the festering boredom will rise up. As an alternative there will be fights for NPC nullsec and lowsec just to keep active by all the major players but eventually everything will break down and devolve into a universe wide all out war. You see all of null being pacified? I see a powder keg being loaded. Nope, if we use normal NC pattern, it would be you will reset 1 pet, invade for some "risk-free" pvp cuz they are so terrible, replace that pet with a new pet. Stalemate....... NC reset a new pet... same thing over and over, dont wanna risk those moons or npc space
White Tree Gallente Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:54:00 - [14] When you guys say nap fest I just imagine the NC as a big pile of adorable kittens sleeping in a big bundle :3
Max Wilson Caldari Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.28 20:27:00 - [15] Originally by: White Tree When you guys say nap fest I just imagine the NC as a big pile of adorable kittens sleeping in a big bundle :3 This thread is now about kittens.
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.01.28 20:34:00 - [16] ITT: Blobbing bears scared of CCP taking away their megablobs. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
VCBee 516 Amarr The Greater Moon	Posted - 2011.01.28 20:52:00 - [17] Originally by: m0jo Nah you guys arent even thinking about it the right way. [sic] Just make one big alliance The irony is palpable.
Shivus Tao Minmatar Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.28 22:46:00 - [18] If this is really how it will turn out I'm in favor of something that may work to improve gameplay. Megablob vs Megablob make for very dull fights. My only concern is that if CCP wants to make nulsec relatively easier for small alliances to get involved in this would counter that goal as well established alliances could afford the upkeep costs in critical battles, while small alliances would be on their own more or less. Originally by: L A G Actually they are introducing a quantum controller in fleets, not NAPs, you will be allowed to blue as many people still it will just be inefficient since you will have to pay for the more people you have in your fleet. It also kills off fleet boosters and the new bonuses you get while in fleet, in other words if 90% of your NAP train is in a fleet, you will most likely be paying approx. 60 bill alone in upkeep or so. "But we could exploit and just have everything neut with benefits right", sure but then you are going to lose sov by default, since neighbouring sov WILL affect enemies or neutrals sov. In other words if NC decided to reset everyone and have a 'neut with benefit' their bordering systems will be heavily contested and because of their huge size (goons, Razor Morsus RMT) means none of their pets will be able to claim sov and taking their space will require no messing around with timers. Dont you love how 0.0 will turn out, numbers no longer will control the outcome ;)
Skunk Gracklaw Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.29 01:09:00 - [19] Originally by: L A G Actually they are introducing a quantum controller in fleets, not NAPs, you will be allowed to blue as many people still it will just be inefficient since you will have to pay for the more people you have in your fleet. It also kills off fleet boosters and the new bonuses you get while in fleet, in other words if 90% of your NAP train is in a fleet, you will most likely be paying approx. 60 bill alone in upkeep or so. "But we could exploit and just have everything neut with benefits right", sure but then you are going to lose sov by default, since neighbouring sov WILL affect enemies or neutrals sov. In other words if NC decided to reset everyone and have a 'neut with benefit' their bordering systems will be heavily contested and because of their huge size (goons, Razor Morsus RMT) means none of their pets will be able to claim sov and taking their space will require no messing around with timers. Dont you love how 0.0 will turn out, numbers no longer will control the outcome ;) Isn't it a ToS violation to avoid forum bans by using alts?
Fattyfatty DingDong Gallente Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2011.01.29 04:13:00 - [20] IIRC, the standing system in EVE is run on ancient code that CCP doesn't like to mess with.

Pirokobo Caldari Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.29 04:16:00 - [21] So... would Initiative pay to blue Initiative Associates?
Kail Storm Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.29 08:46:00 - [22] Edited by: Kail Storm on 29/01/2011 08:51:21 I love the idea of Blue costing and the more you go over a set limit the more it will cost, I mentioned this and was flamed several times. The simple fact is nowdays Blueing is the ultimate weapon in Eve way more powerful than Titans is the ability to have 30+ ALLI`s all blue, so naturally they should have to pay, similar to the Wardec paying system but actually enforced, this might break up the super NapFests and bring Eve back to only having 3-4 Supremely close neighbors. You could add a provision for renters, where they are "known" renters and not true blues etc. But regardless of what the people who say "Everyone will just Turn enemies red, and Nuet will be new blue" this would cause massive panic in fleet fights with all Nuets around and no JB use unless its paid for. No one who isnt Blue or paying to use other Alli`s JB should use it for free IMO. ALl the perks like using POS`s, JB`s etc would severely make these huge nap brigades to think twice before bluing every single Alli they like. First 4 Blues= Free then next 4 get more expensive, then next 4 Double, next for double etc, do same thing with reds and the major Alli`s working with 30+ Alli`s will actually have to work very hard to bring there 50k members to bear and it would cause internal Grief about who is "worth it" to blue and who is not, Cost vs payoff which is what Eve is all about. Just my 2 Cents Also NC if they had to chose who they like and who they dont would be alot less combat effective, Laslty you charge for reds the same way only 4 Rivals free the rest cost. And 1 Giant ALli wont ever happen as half the guys in Eve "Want to be there own CEO" You really think Goons would fly under MM or RZR leaders? Peeps would butt heads hard and it would be awesome, smaller alli`s like Evoke and NCDOT would do great, while others in DRF/NC who rely on peeps they dont even know would suffer. It would help kill blob size and increase Friendl fire to the "Nap packers" In reality it would turn the NC into a NIP which is very cool instead of NAP but at least they would fight a little inside. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
CapnKellTainer Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.29 10:45:00 - [23] Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 29/01/2011 10:45:25 sigh ANZAC. Hold on, hold on, needed to bring this one up: Quote: And 1 Giant ALli wont ever happen as half the guys in Eve "Want to be there own CEO" Really, dude? We're in two of the three largest alliances in EVE and you're claiming "1 Giant ALli" (sic) won't happen?
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.29 11:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Kail Storm Edited by: Kail Storm on 29/01/2011 08:51:21 I love the idea of Blue costing and the more you go over a set limit the more it will cost, I mentioned this and was flamed several times. The simple fact is nowdays Blueing is the ultimate weapon in Eve way more powerful than Titans is the ability to have 30+ ALLI`s all blue, so naturally they should have to pay, similar to the Wardec paying system but actually enforced, this might break up the super NapFests and bring Eve back to only having 3-4 Supremely close neighbors. You could add a provision for renters, where they are "known" renters and not true blues etc. But regardless of what the people who say "Everyone will just Turn enemies red, and Nuet will be new blue" this would cause massive panic in fleet fights with all Nuets around and no JB use unless its paid for. No one who isnt Blue or paying to use other Alli`s JB should use it for free IMO. ALl the perks like using POS`s, JB`s etc would severely make these huge nap brigades to think twice before bluing every single Alli they like. First 4 Blues= Free then next 4 get more expensive, then next 4 Double, next for double etc, do same thing with reds and the major Alli`s working with 30+ Alli`s will actually have to work very hard to bring there 50k members to bear and it would cause internal Grief about who is "worth it" to blue and who is not, Cost vs payoff which is what Eve is all about. Just my 2 Cents Also NC if they had to chose who they like and who they dont would be alot less combat effective, Laslty you charge for reds the same way only 4 Rivals free the rest cost. And 1 Giant ALli wont ever happen as half the guys in Eve "Want to be there own CEO" You really think Goons would fly under MM or RZR leaders? Peeps would butt heads hard and it would be awesome, smaller alli`s like Evoke and NCDOT would do great, while others in DRF/NC who rely on peeps they dont even know would suffer. It would help kill blob size and increase Friendl fire to the "Nap packers" In reality it would turn the NC into a NIP which is very cool instead of NAP but at least they would fight a little inside. Just because you alienated and abandoned all of your blues and nobody likes you doesn't give you carte blanche to ***** about other people who maintained and supported theirs.
Tulisin Dragonflame Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.29 11:53:00 - [25] Just means alliances will have incentive to merge. Dekco, will, instead of shooting eachother, just merge into the "Fustercluck" alliance, etc.
Max50 Gallente Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.01.29 11:59:00 - [26] Even if CCP charged for the "blue standings" you all have to realise that its cheaper to make pets grind more sanctums. In general courage(over a game lol) is far more expensive from beeing brave. Its also nice for smaller entities to watch big bears cry "make CTA,a 10 man frig gang incoming!"


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