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Grim Tone
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Posted - 2011.01.28 12:24:00 -
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It is a strange word, I know
From the time spent inside the state's service to around last week as a semi free capsuleer the thought of love had never enterd my mind.
I know some claim they do love another person, but is this the same kind of love they would have had if they were still bound to the planets or is this only a pretend feeling I dont know, do we secretly lust to be only humans again, to not have the weight of a million lifes ended on our hands?
I ask this as I might be one of those who have fallen into this state of mind, Love, curious word with all that it brings along after it, the one who have inflicted me with this does probably not even know it and would with all likelyhood introduce me to experiace of waking up in a new body but still.. it have me pondering the question, is the quest for love real or just a destructive thought that will render me a loss of ship and life? |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.28 12:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Grim Tone
Is the quest for love real or just a destructive thought that will render me a loss of ship and life?
Yes, it's very real.
Yes, it will be your greatest source of strength and your greatest weakness as well but this much I assure you: No human or post-human will ever be complete if not daring to navigate its most refreshing but turbulent waters.
RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Sinti Vailatti
MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:03:00 -
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Odd that I'm agreeing with Revan on something...but she's pretty much right.
And don't think of yourself as not being human. You may have some of the most advanced cybernetics and genetic modification in the galaxy, but you're still very, very human chummer.
Serving the Dark Amarr |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:32:00 -
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Love is real...love is strength when your own strength fails you. when death smiles at you, love can give you the courage to smile back.
[21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C. |
Marenteius
Caldari
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:11:00 -
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Does love exist? Yes. Can it cause you to lose your ship? YES! Can it also make you very powerful? YES!!
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Persephone Astrid
The Bastards
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Posted - 2011.01.28 22:32:00 -
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Love of battle and love of my comrades is what propels me to undock. Love of the woman who waits for me back at the station is what propels me to come home at the end of the day.
Good stuff, love.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.01.28 23:56:00 -
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Love is when a brutor girl throws heavy things at you with hearts etched into them.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.29 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
Odd that I'm agreeing with Revan on something...but she's pretty much right.
Don't do this again, it's quite uncomfortable having any of your kind agreeing with me.
RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.29 15:04:00 -
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Love is a myth, a fable, a fairytale, a cruel, mocking biological delusion orchestrated by hormones and neurochemicals to blot out rational, logical behaviour and thought. A bad joke told by nature. When you look at it, you can't help but feel confused and sickened by it.
Until you experience it for yourself.
And then it's none of these things. It's suddenly real, more real than anything you can see, or smell, or touch, or taste, and you'll die to keep it safe, and kill to stay alive so you can feel it just one more second. People who say greed, or hate are more powerful than love have obviously never seen the lengths to which people who are truly in love will actually go.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.29 20:14:00 -
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The truth of the matter is that love is a gateway emotion that is neccessary for all other stages in passionate development and visionary madness. Without love you cannot truly hate. Without love you cannot truly seek vengeance. Without love then justice has no meaning. Without love even freedom is false and dreaming is simple weak delusion. I cannot believe an immortal can live forever without love, and it beggers belief that there are those stating primacy of cold logic over burning passion in the context of the human condition.
Where is the weakness in the enemies of humanity? In their lack of passion. Nobody should truly fear a machine because without the capacity to love it cannot truly hate those who would do harm to its love and lacking the capacity to experience that dark emotion its activities are banal and restricted to mechanical repetition.
To know love is to know torment and despair far beyond the darkling fancies of the the torturer and the brute. The lover suffers an eternity of horror alongside the bright wonder of fulfilment and pleasure, extremes of emotion and experience that make a mere biological lifeform the most dangerous entity in the universe.
Join the Revolution!
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Athroseilon Yeva
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Posted - 2011.01.30 05:52:00 -
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The love spawned of the flesh is as of the flesh: weak and corrupt. The love spawned of the Lord is as of the Lord: brilliant and pure. Do not concern yourself with carnal matters; you have recieved immortality by the grace of God, and what need has immortality for offspring? Your love should be that of praise, of obedience, of thought devoted to the divine. All else is dross; all else is dusty chaff on the wind.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Amarr
Lonestar Distribution Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.30 13:07:00 -
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Love is very real. Love is a source of strength, and one of the few sources of true happiness in the world, and one of the many sources of meaning available to capsuleer and planetbound alike.
Love is also therefore dangerous, but what worthy thing isn't?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2011.01.30 22:36:00 -
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So I asked "what is love" and now my head keep twitching sideways.... WTF?
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Illoren Kainta
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Posted - 2011.01.31 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
The truth of the matter is that love is a gateway emotion that is neccessary for all other stages in passionate development and visionary madness. Without love you cannot truly hate. Without love you cannot truly seek vengeance. Without love then justice has no meaning. Without love even freedom is false and dreaming is simple weak delusion. I cannot believe an immortal can live forever without love, and it beggers belief that there are those stating primacy of cold logic over burning passion in the context of the human condition.
Where is the weakness in the enemies of humanity? In their lack of passion. Nobody should truly fear a machine because without the capacity to love it cannot truly hate those who would do harm to its love and lacking the capacity to experience that dark emotion its activities are banal and restricted to mechanical repetition.
To know love is to know torment and despair far beyond the darkling fancies of the the torturer and the brute. The lover suffers an eternity of horror alongside the bright wonder of fulfilment and pleasure, extremes of emotion and experience that make a mere biological lifeform the most dangerous entity in the universe.
How... perfect.
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Mad Murgan
Minmatar
Night Breed Pack
Spectrum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.31 05:26:00 -
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Love, love....seriously....love.
Let me tell you a story Grim Tone of a man who once loved.
He gave up the one thing he loved the most, flying between the stars, laying waste to the enemies of his people for the love another.
Out of that love he went planetside and married a women who later betrayed him.
Love is a waste of time, biochemically no different than eating large quantities of chocolate.
Love, forget love, it's a fools errand that only makes you weak and vulnerable.
However some seem to enjoy that emotion and seek it out for some strange reason.
So Grim Tone, I wish you good luck exploring the unluckiest of all emotions. Just watch you back, whoever this person that has caught your attention might just try sticking a knife there.
Sanity is relative.
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Grim Tone
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Posted - 2011.01.31 08:47:00 -
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Love, and Trust
You all talk about love as a strength but something that also could ruin any one person, I think that needs trust, how to trust in someone, in something that you have no control over, that you may be able to nudge into a new alignment though where that may lead could be as volitile and destructive as the path you tried to avoid.
What we are, a life changed into shapeshifting by the powers of our tecnology, bourne anew in death and with wealth thrust into our hands that surpass most of the human minds.
We take new masters, we move from the origins of our lifes, ruled by creatures just as semi imortal as our selfs, some turn against our fellow capsulers, hunting them for sport and scraps of there ships, some build near empires themselfs, ruling them with an iron grip and with brute force.
Are WE to be trusted? Are WE to be loved?
Yes, I am still a man, a human, but do I still posess the humanity?
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Deceiver's Voice
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Posted - 2011.01.31 09:14:00 -
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To love another is to trust. Sometimes that trust is broken. To see beauty in another does not require trust, nor love. Love cannot exist without seeing beauty in the one we love.
Do you give your trust, your love, and risk being hurt? That is the only question you should ask. To put it in terms most capsuleers would understand, is it worth the risk?
A simple rule of thumb that many capsuleers use in relation to ships can apply equally well to love. Do not fly what you are not willing to lose. However, the greater the risk, the greater the payout they say.
It is... possibly cold to say things that way. Equating love with some sort of transaction, but it is, really. You give love, you receive love, and if the exchange is not to your liking, you either make do or you move on.
So many talk of humanity as this "thing", this intangible, ephemeral object that one can lose. We are all human. I see beauty... my concept of beauty may change, but whatever it is, it is a human feeling.
What some find beautiful though, others may not. It is no less human to appreciate it.
In the end, humanity is not only about beauty, it is about the ugliness.
Aesthetics...
Birth. Death. In the middle we live. However we choose to share that life is due to our essence, who we are.
No matter where you are, no matter how horrific your actions, they are the actions of a human. Sometimes that is the most terrifying thing to realize.
I love one whom I constantly try to convince of this... am I wrong to do this? Am I wrong to see the beauty in something so dangerous, so broken in their own world view, so utterly in denial of what they are?
Perhaps. But my only defense is this; it is only human to do so. This individual will probably never know if they do not know this very moment, but that is fine. I make do. I give what I am willing to risk. Perhaps one day I will see the value in risking more, in the hopes that that risk will pay off.
I see the beauty.
I wish to share it.
However, sometimes - despite our best efforts - we have our heart broken. This is also human. What defines who we are, not just our humanity, is how we handle this.
We can give in to our instincts, the things that make us less than human in the eyes of others, or we can transcend them and be something more.
Or perhaps I am simply a romantic, lost to my own instincts, justifying my actions by claiming they are simply "what I am".
Coming from one who loves another who will most likely never know, and given your unique situation, I would suggest the adage above:
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose; in every possible way.
Good luck and fly safe, Pilot. 
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.31 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Tone
Are WE to be trusted? Are WE to be loved?
Trusted? No, absolutely not. Our own nature makes trust an outdated concept, used as we see fit. We use trust acc to our own convenience: We establish trusted business relationships, we make trusted political alliances, we have trusted close friendships and all of that is just because it's profitable and convenient to us.
But Love is another matter. We trust because we must, because out heart, our mind will not allow us the contrary.
You ask if we are to be loved: The most reasonable answer is No, we shouldn't be. Yet, we are. And to be loved is also an essential element of our power and our life as a total.
And that is not an option, it's not a conscious decision. There are certain things in this Universe that we haven't ( and most like will never have ) power to dominate, and love is definitely one of these things.
RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Deceiver's Voice
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Posted - 2011.01.31 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
And that is not an option, it's not a conscious decision. There are certain things in this Universe that we haven't ( and most like will never have ) power to dominate, and love is definitely one of these things.
An interesting assertion. I would say that we have the power to choose how we act upon our feelings of love. We may not have power to dominate it, but we can quite easily choose the appropriate (or inappropriate) expression of said love, non? We can also choose not to follow through with our intents, to settle for not expressing those emotions.
Should we always allow our emotions to dominate us, or should we strive to find appropriate outlets of emotion? Also, I am curious as to your opinion of unrequited love. Do you believe that it is weakness to not express one's love fully?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.31 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
An interesting assertion. I would say that we have the power to choose how we act upon our feelings of love. We may not have power to dominate it, but we can quite easily choose the appropriate (or inappropriate) expression of said love, non?
Bien sur.
We have absolute power to define our expressions of said love, but we have no power as to decide whether to feel or not feel love or whether to be or not be loved, that's beyond the scope of our reasoning mind and its decision making processes.
Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
We can also choose not to follow through with our intents, to settle for not expressing those emotions.
Again, not expressing is one thing, not feeling it is another completely different.
Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
Should we always allow our emotions to dominate us, or should we strive to find appropriate outlets of emotion?
Emotion is the complex psycho physiological experience of an individual's state of mind which includes a wide range of observable behaviors, expressed feelings, besides gestures and attitudes which are said to be a mental state that arises spontaneously rather than through conscious effort.
I wanted to touch this definition because to answer your question I must highlight that I don't see love as an emotion but a feeling.
The two terms can be used interchangeably such as "playing with someone's emotions" or "hurting someone's feelings". The meanings of the two phrases are semantically similar.
Love is a feeling that leads to showing emotion. And if you ask me if we have control or should have control over expressing our emotions, yes and no. That depends totally of what fits you better, your style of life, your needs and desires and how much profit or loss will your expressions of any emotions bring you.
Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
Also, I am curious as to your opinion of unrequited love.
To feel love is an inherent right of one's soul which is bestowed by the creation itself. Unrequited love can be awkward no matter what the situation, but it's not something that should be judged nor repulsed as wrong. It's the right of one to feel love as its the right of another to not receive it.
As with everything else in life, it will bring a cause and its consequence whatever that might be.
Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
Do you believe that it is weakness to not express one's love fully?
Absolutely.
RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Punx Evangeline
The Foreign Legion
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.01.31 12:42:00 -
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Love has brought me the best things in my life. I highly recommend falling headfirst into it.
Don't look, just leap.
-Evangeline
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Compared to mine, what is your crime?
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.31 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Love is when a brutor girl throws heavy things at you with hearts etched into them.
This is true love. Cherish her.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.01.31 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Love is when a brutor girl throws heavy things at you with hearts etched into them.
<Laughs and wipes a tear from her eye.>...nice.
[21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2011.01.31 16:16:00 -
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Interesting question, Grim. My own take on it is that you're letting your head get in the way of your heart. You exist, you think, you feel. You can call yourself human, or post-human, or a cybernetic monster, but that doesn't change that fact. If you feel love, is that the same feeling that some planetbound person feels? I don't know. Is it the same feeling that anyone else feels? I don't know. Does that change the fact that you're feeling love? Not in the least.
You can ponder, or even agonize, over your nature as a capsuleer. You can ask yourself questions like "am I still human? Can I feel, or is this pretend?" all day. If you feel love, though, you will know it.
Shin's writings
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Aryanna Ta'Lone
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.01.31 16:38:00 -
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...I don't know.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.31 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Punx Evangeline
Love has brought me the best things in my life. I highly recommend falling headfirst into it.
Don't look, just leap.
-Evangeline
Who could ever think to hear something like this from your lips Evangeline?
Pleasing surprise, nonetheless.
RN
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Driselle
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.01 01:57:00 -
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I'm barely old enough to have my pilots' license, and have only been a Capsuleer a month, but...love is real. It finds us when we were not expecting it, and it gives us strength though it makes us weak.
Others wiser than I may insist that the abstract of 'love' is more meaningful that being 'in-love', but inexperienced as I am with such matters - it all feels the same. I would do the same for one that I love as I would for someone that I am in love with.
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Kimochi Rendar
Veto.
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Posted - 2011.02.01 12:39:00 -
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There are many different kinds of love, but I'm assuming here that you are referring to the kind between two (or more, if that happens to be your thing) individuals.
If you are lucky enough to find it, it can be the most important and pleasurable thing in the world, capable of bringing the most dizzying highs that any sentient creature is capable of feeling. There is truly nothing else like it.
But it also exposes your weaknesses. It gives your enemies something to tangible to exploit, and wounds inflicted on those we love hurt much more deeply than anything inflicted on ourselves.
Love has this unique ability to take a broken or incomplete person and make them whole, and also to utterly destroy that same person down to their very core.
I think there is something frighteningly beautiful in that dichotomy.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.02.06 00:17:00 -
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I have recently realized...thanks to a person very dear to me, that love never comes at you the way you anticipate it. Never did I believe that I could be in the beautiful place that I am now with the one I am there with. Love takes many shapes and wears many faces.
...Mo Ghra', you know who you are.
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