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Tornicks Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.30 18:38:00 - [1] Has anybody seen any info from any source regarding the fleet formations feature CCP was working on? I don't usually miss updates from CCP, but this is the most anticipated EVE feature for me and I'd really like to see even a couple of lines posted by CCP on these forums, various interviews, or else. -- 'Non-essential personnel, abandon ship.' Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command, CE23155
Blnukem 192 Amarr Impetar	Posted - 2011.01.31 21:30:00 - [2] SoonÖ Originally by: CCP Navigator This is really not worthy of a thread.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.01.31 21:52:00 - [3] What is the status on Bloodline changing?
Badger Molester The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2011.01.31 21:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Miilla What is the status on Bloodline changing? Do you have to bring this in to every thread since you got called out for being racist in your own thread? Kindly **** off.
Aelwara Andven Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.31 22:17:00 - [5] Hopefully never. I can think of few things worse than enforced positions, reducing the blob IQ requirement to nil - just press f1 when commander says. And it makes no sense. IRL formations are created for a reason. Giving strange bonuses just because you have 9 people in a wall formation makes no sense when you spacing will be huge, and you are guarding nothing from fire. In a 3 dimensional space, dealing with great distances and ships capable of crossing this space rapidly, there is no real formations possible except what players already do - logistics behind damage dealers (or sitting on gates), ewar at range. Or people sitting in position to bump etc.
Tornicks Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.02.01 01:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Aelwara Andven Hopefully never. I can think of few things worse than enforced positions, reducing the blob IQ requirement to nil - just press f1 when commander says. And it makes no sense. IRL formations are created for a reason. Giving strange bonuses just because you have 9 people in a wall formation makes no sense when you spacing will be huge, and you are guarding nothing from fire. In a 3 dimensional space, dealing with great distances and ships capable of crossing this space rapidly, there is no real formations possible except what players already do - logistics behind damage dealers (or sitting on gates), ewar at range. Or people sitting in position to bump etc. Well that is a straightforward pessimistic look with the prejudicial 'fleet formations means you receive bonuses because of being in a certain position' view. I have not seen any piece of information from CCP suggesting that that is the only way they are looking at it. They, and some players, may have better ideas. -- 'Non-essential personnel, abandon ship.' Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command, CE23155
Tornicks Caldari The Green Cross Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:30:00 - [7] http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7483/73827499.png http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/679/25247714.png Please. The soon the better. --
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:33:00 - [8] They are too busy figuring out how to make a Vampire game fit a T rating. Sincerely, Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
prospector oen	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:56:00 - [9] good ideas get left behind get over it
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.02.17 01:00:00 - [10] Terrible idea. Maneuvering your ship and firing the weapons are the only thing we still GET to do in a proper fleet fight. That would just be another step into turning fleet warfare into an RTS for FC's. Originally by: Infinity Ziona Your avatar makes me want to follow you to a rural farmstead, give you all my worldly goods and call you The Aiwha.

Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.17 04:28:00 - [11] This should be done for the cool factor alone if nothing else. Fact: ships in formation look cool. Fact: ships in a blob do not look cool. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Syphon Lodian Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.17 04:46:00 - [12] Fleet warfare, as it stands now, resembles something like a group of insects swarming over a light source. No one is saying every pilot has to stay in formation. You could simply break ranks and do your thing, and then return to formation if needed. It's called organization (also it looks cool). Look at videos and pictures of blob warfare. Just look at them.
Di Mulle	Posted - 2011.02.17 07:21:00 - [13] Actually, what would be the point of formations, except for the "looking cool" ?
Jim Luc Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.02.17 07:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Di Mulle Actually, what would be the point of formations, except for the "looking cool" ? Looking cool has always been big in my book.
Valuv Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.02.17 08:01:00 - [15] If we had proper collision detection, it would've been a great addition. Sadly, we can shoot people that is behind a titan, our missiles can go through asteroids and structures. Obviously, we can't have those because of performance issues. So there's no point in formations but the cool factor. However, a slight bonus, like leadership bonuses, might be nice addition. That said, forced grouping could become old VERY quick.
ChromeStriker	Posted - 2011.02.17 08:57:00 - [16] unfortunatly i cant see it working eather due to the mechanics of eve, not because of a poor principle due to 3d theres no up down side to side relation (you would bace it on the solar system, star is port and up and down is just agreed baced on another celestrial object or decided on jump). your thinking that the formations would be based on 2d ship movements on water, or tanks on land. in space, formations would be baced on ships in plains but crossing at angles to put as much firepower on a single point whilst having individual ships being in danger for as short a time as possible. with speed and angle of attack being the deciding factor. im sorry if thats not clear its a difficult concept to get acrross with out a) pictures b) a threads worth of explaning Unfortunatly theres nothing in eve that can really support that due to no such thing as firing lines, liquid baced space, ship balancing as it is (sniping ranges etc) and a host of other factors so basicly spaced baced formations are possible.. tho not in eve.
Tornicks Caldari The Green Cross Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.17 14:49:00 - [17] Edited by: Tornicks on 17/02/2011 14:57:21 There are ships in EVE that do not rely on maneuvering for successful combat (battleships* and capitals), so formations wouldn't harm their use in any way, and would introduce the 'cool looking' factor, which IS important to EVE. All those trailers leave us (and those yet to be converted to EVE from other games) in awe because they look epic, and that epicness is in many ways down to massive fleets and organized look of those. Sub-battleship fleets could do all the maneuvering in combat, and return to the formation afterwards. Not sure what bonus could be given to them to promote that return, but guess somebody whose job it is to form up ideas, and has enough time for that, can come up with some. * Battleships are used in maneuverable combat v the capitals, so that would be exception to some degree --
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.02.17 15:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Valuv If we had proper collision detection, it would've been a great addition. Sadly, we can shoot people that is behind a titan, our missiles can go through asteroids and structures. Obviously, we can't have those because of performance issues. So there's no point in formations but the cool factor. However, a slight bonus, like leadership bonuses, might be nice addition. That said, forced grouping could become old VERY quick. This. Right now formations are pointless, and a total waste of developer time imo. There are far more important issues to solve. If collisions actually meant something other than bumping someone off a gate, then it might be valuable. Combined with collisions, if Fly by Wire controls were implemented (other than mouse clicking) and it meant something/did something, then formations would also be valuable. Right now, as a player I see no value in formations.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.17 16:30:00 - [19] I'd rather see line of sight mechanics. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2011.02.17 16:34:00 - [20] Honestly, if we could get a real switchable 1st person view and joystick control, I'd much rather get in a small fast ship and go on strafing runs than sit in formation. That's what made X-Wing so cool in the 90s.

Zondrail Formic Hive	Posted - 2011.02.17 16:44:00 - [21] Even for the more mobile pieces of a fleet that would fly around, it would be awesome to have a "wing-man" feature, where you can attach yourself to a squad leader or something and your ship will follow in a side and back position (all ships in formation would be slowed to lowest speed obviously). All the ships would follow the movement of the leader, but all other activation of modules and controls would have to be executed by the actual pilot.
James Tiberius Kirk	Posted - 2011.02.17 17:45:00 - [22] Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 17/02/2011 17:48:03 Basic bonuses could be: Increased lock range - Mainly to compensate for the lack of blob effectiveness Reduced signature radius - Harder to get lock on you when there are tons of other ships in certain formations Remote modules could redesigned to provide more bonuses to formations Slightly increased resists Basic drawbacks could be: Decreased mobility - Can only move as fast as your slowest ship, cannot stand on top of the gate without any danger More susceptible to aoe warfare such as ECM burst or bombs There are lots of small stuff that could provide both benefits and negatives for fleet formation.


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