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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:14:00 -
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Now that the Amarr have had their little tastes of victory with different null sec alliances coming in to save them, and then failing after they cashout. Are the Amarr ready to accept a treaty with the Caldari to actually provide them pilots that will stick around after the big cashout? My guess is no since the Amarr still have those scabbed sores called wolfsbrigade flying for them. Honestly though, maybe it's time you guys admit you were wrong and apologize. CalMil has done it for years, you are still just getting a little taste of what it is really like. So go ahead. Ask/ scratch that/ beg us for help. We just might come down there and do it. |

Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
195
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:16:00 -
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we took kamela and wolfs left http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |

Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
79
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:17:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:we took kamela and wolfs left They didn't want that system anyways. |

Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:48:00 -
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Schalac wrote:Now that the Amarr have had their little tastes of victory with different null sec alliances coming in to save them, and then failing after they cashout. Are the Amarr ready to accept a treaty with the Caldari to actually provide them pilots that will stick around after the big cashout? My guess is no since the Amarr still have those scabbed sores called wolfsbrigade flying for them. Honestly though, maybe it's time you guys admit you were wrong and apologize. CalMil has done it for years, you are still just getting a little taste of what it is really like. So go ahead. Ask/ scratch that/ beg us for help. We just might come down there and do it.
you're f*cking ret@rded |

Noa Fuyu
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:09:00 -
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Who are you and why should the Amarr milita care? |

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:25:00 -
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Noa Fuyu wrote:Who are you and why should the Amarr milita care?
Because when the amarr run out of systems, their minmatar plexing alts will run out easy LP to farm
AMARR TRAITOR!
or some such :)
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Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
352
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:59:00 -
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Schalac wrote:Now that the Amarr have had their little tastes of victory with different null sec alliances coming in to save them, and then failing after they cashout. Are the Amarr ready to accept a treaty with the Caldari to actually provide them pilots that will stick around after the big cashout? My guess is no since the Amarr still have those scabbed sores called wolfsbrigade flying for them. Honestly though, maybe it's time you guys admit you were wrong and apologize. CalMil has done it for years, you are still just getting a little taste of what it is really like. So go ahead. Ask/ scratch that/ beg us for help. We just might come down there and do it.
Stealthy begging post detected.
'Please, since you dont have any space left come help us with the army of plexing alts that is about to descend upon our space' ~ paraphrased. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:10:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Stealthy begging post detected.
'Please, since you dont have any space left come help us with the army of plexing alts that is about to descend upon our space' ~ paraphrased.
Since there is only about 7 Your systems not vulnerable You should know better plexing powa of caldari. Try to make guess where they might move... |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
352
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:27:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Stealthy begging post detected.
'Please, since you dont have any space left come help us with the army of plexing alts that is about to descend upon our space' ~ paraphrased.
Since there is only about 7 Your systems not vulnerable You should know better plexing powa of caldari.  Try to make guess where they might move...
No one has ever said that caldari couldnt PvE :)
It seems clear that from the numbers, with all plexers in their home turf atm that caldari have the advantage even over minmatar in that respect (regardless of what Drama Ragearion might claim).
What i do doubt is caldaris ability to bash bunkers fast enough to reach tier 5. I might be wrong, but ninjaing a couple in the jpn tz with a few dreads each night isnt going to get you enough systems before the matar swarm arrives and re-vulns your recently bashed systems. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:54:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:[ I might be wrong, but ninjaing a couple in the jpn tz with a few dreads each night isnt going to get you enough systems before the matar swarm arrives and re-vulns your recently bashed systems.
That possible but if that will happen that means that for us glorious caldari plexes there will be less systems to farm... and as I said You might try to guess where is another big nice farming field. So to be brief - if minies will be messing here they might suddenly find problems in their own home  |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
352
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:18:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:[ I might be wrong, but ninjaing a couple in the jpn tz with a few dreads each night isnt going to get you enough systems before the matar swarm arrives and re-vulns your recently bashed systems. That possible but if that will happen that means that for us glorious caldari plexes there will be less systems to farm... and as I said You might try to guess where is another big nice farming field. So to be brief - if minies will be messing here they might suddenly find problems in their own home 
I think you misunderstand the dynamic of all this. If caldari cannot attain tier 5 while the minmatar can, the farmers will be investing less time on their caldari farming alts and log back in their matar ones. The farming is only at its current level because all the people farming look at the numbers and see caldari on the brink of tier 5. But the numbers dont tell the whole story.
Not saying im correct on this as no outcome is written in stone.
Also, three days after you make a minmatar system vuln, that system will be back in minmatar hands. You are used to plexing against people that really cant be bothered with that much PvE, while the matar can taste that tier 5 isk and cant get enough. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:49:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I think you misunderstand the dynamic of all this. If caldari cannot attain tier 5 while the minmatar can, the farmers will be investing less time on their caldari farming alts and log back in their matar ones. The farming is only at its current level because all the people farming look at the numbers and see caldari on the brink of tier 5. But the numbers dont tell the whole story.
As I understand You are assuming that every farmer has alts in both militias? I find that unlikely. Some might but I guess that would be minority.
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Also, three days after you make a minmatar system vuln, that system will be back in minmatar hands. You are used to plexing against people that really cant be bothered with that much PvE, while the matar can taste that tier 5 isk and cant get enough.
And You put together offensive plexing and defensive plexing. those are different PVE. One gives rewards, but other dont  |

Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
391
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:52:00 -
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Please. Dear God. No. Not the Caldari. Anything but that. Really. Please. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:07:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Please. Dear God. No. Not the Caldari. Anything but that. Really. Please.
Go away troll :) We have serious discussion here  |

Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
392
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:10:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Please. Dear God. No. Not the Caldari. Anything but that. Really. Please. Go away troll :) We have serious discussion here 
Really? This is just some really poor Squid chest-beating.  Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:18:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Really? This is just some really poor Squid chest-beating. 
Actually this is very scientific analysis, problem is that You are just uneducated slave - so unable to understand that But I forgive You  |

Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
92
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:26:00 -
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Shalac wrote: CalMil has done it for years, you are still just getting a little taste of what it is really like.
Just what exactly has Calmil "done for years"?
Think carefully before replying, 'cause you might just end up looking rather embarrassing :) |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
352
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:34:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:And You put together offensive plexing and defensive plexing. those are different PVE. One gives rewards, but other dont 
You obviously have no clue what the matar have just invested in defending their space from nulli. Matar will return any system you make vulnerable back to stable and in matar hands within 3 days of becoming vulnerable.
Without a single defensive plex. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:45:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Peteris G wrote:And You put together offensive plexing and defensive plexing. those are different PVE. One gives rewards, but other dont  You obviously have no clue what the matar have just invested in defending their space from nulli and why nulli gave up on tier 5 prematurely after realising it was going to become more of a grind than they ever imagined. Matar will return any system you make vulnerable back to stable and in matar hands within 3/4 days of becoming vulnerable. Without a single defensive plex.As for farming alts, i dont think you can appreciate why they exist. You, are a farmer, and do so with your main account with no desire other than to accumulate wealth. People who create alts to farm for isk do so to support their mains and if they created one 300k sp toon to farm one front, its very likely they will have no hesitation to create another 300k sp toon to farm another. You are living in a cute little box and seem to have little understanding of whats happening in the greater fw.
Errmmm.... if You would bother to read You would know that leaving of nulli has nothing to do with minnies defense. As for my account - who said that this is my main and only account? About box - yes and I have more than one and yes they are cute :) I am not some poor frogling  |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
354
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:07:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Errmmm.... if You would bother to read You would know that leaving of nulli has nothing to do with minnies defense. As for my account - who said that this is my main and only account? About box - yes and I have more than one and yes they are cute :) I am not some poor frogling 
Yes, nulli left because they didnt want tier 5 anyway. I know they had another dullsec deployment but their stated goal was to crush the minmatar sov and take tier 5 in a week. Something they couldnt do in 3 weeks. And as minmatar meta games were warming up the likelihood of it ever happening was slipping away.
Basically, without spelling anything out. Caldari plexing in minmatar space, while obviously tiresome, is something that they have already made a counter for that involves no defensive plexing. So Threats against their space if they come and endanger yours are weak to say the least. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:14:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Basically, without spelling anything out. Caldari plexing in minmatar space, while obviously tiresome, is something that they have already made a counter for that involves no defensive plexing.
So if there is that counter why You (I mean Gals) are not using it? Didn't want those systems anyway? 
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Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
354
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:18:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Basically, without spelling anything out. Caldari plexing in minmatar space, while obviously tiresome, is something that they have already made a counter for that involves no defensive plexing.
So if there is that counter why You (I mean Gals) are not using it? Didn't want those systems anyway? 
Our counter is that minmatar created a counter freeing up their plexers to farm your space once you start to make more of an effort to bust the bunkers... Chop chop.
They make obscene isk, out matar alts make obscene isk, everyone elses matar alts make obscene isk.
Winter is coming. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:23:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Our counter is that minmatar created a counter freeing up their plexers to farm your space once you start to make more of an effort to bust the bunkers... Chop chop.
What was obstacle to do it before? Minnies on themselves could not get their space back?  That looks unlikely. So You really do not want those systems anyway  |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
354
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:26:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Our counter is that minmatar created a counter freeing up their plexers to farm your space once you start to make more of an effort to bust the bunkers... Chop chop.
What was obstacle to do it before? Minnies on themselves could not get their space back?   That looks unlikely. So You really do not want those systems anyway 
What?
I know you have no idea whats going on, its just unclear if its a language barrier or something more serious.
I think people would rather offensive plex for them rather than defensive. So... chop chop. |

Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
29
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:28:00 -
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Why would we want those systems? LP farm > Some system we never use. What good is Renarelle or a similar system to us if nobody lives there and plexing there doesn't make us anything? Hey! You're no zombie! |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:32:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: What?
I know you have no idea whats going on, its just unclear if its a language barrier or something more serious.
I think people would rather offensive plex for them rather than defensive. So... chop chop.
Sorry I skiped some parts that I thought obvious but they were not so it was hard for You to understand, but that ok after all You look minmatar 
So I will make it more simple for You - You said that counter is everybodies miny alts who got freed up and You will make much money with them. So I was asking why You did not moved Your minnie alts to CalGal space and plexed since minnies would get their space back anyway. Is that more clear my froggy friend?  |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
354
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:50:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: What?
I know you have no idea whats going on, its just unclear if its a language barrier or something more serious.
I think people would rather offensive plex for them rather than defensive. So... chop chop.
Sorry I skiped some parts that I thought obvious but they were not so it was hard for You to understand, but that ok after all You look minmatar  So I will make it more simple for You - You said that counter is everybodies miny alts who got freed up and You will make much money with them. So I was asking why You did not moved Your minnie alts to CalGal space and plexed since minnies would get their space back anyway. Is that more clear my froggy friend? 
Tarded people trying to condescend, its hilarious. I havent described minmatars tactic to defend their space without defensive plexing, its been mentioned multiple times on the forum already but you are obviously ignorant of it.
Gal space is in its down stroke part of the cycle. This is the part where you take the systems back and make some isk by upgrading them. After that, we farm them back and take them in our favour, upgrade them and make some isk. This cycle has been common knowledge for quite some time and im only a little surprised that it has passed you by. No one is bringing any alts in to defensive plex on any scale, so we just need you to do your part, flip the systems and let us stack them up as vulnerable.
The minmatar factor is that people are going to be plexing caldari systems for minmatar lp as the value of their lp is more reliable. This conversation is simply me trying to educate you to the fact that even if you reciprocate and plex for caldari lp in minmatar space, its not really going to put them under any pressure as they have implemented a way to take the pressure off by making it very difficult to stack their systems up as vulnerable without defensive plexing.
I think the reason why you are confused is that you are basically role playing, saw the massive vp caldari are churning out and decided to brag a little. Im just pointing out a few factors that you clearly havent considered. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
7
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:13:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: Tarded people trying to condescend
Dont be so hard on Yourself-+ You are ok for frogling. Here /hug
Crosi Wesdo wrote: I havent described minmatars tactic to defend their space without defensive plexing, its been mentioned multiple times on the forum already but you are obviously ignorant of it. The minmatar counter is NOT a counter to your plexing directly
I remember somebody told me about it. But thats not the point. Point is You telling that only minies can use it... because?
Crosi Wesdo wrote: Gal space is in its down stroke part of the cycle.
Cycle is something that repeats. In case if You are not aware so far there were nothing like that. try harder perhaps You will achieve something.. some day... eventually... in far future 
Crosi Wesdo wrote: The minmatar factor is that people are going to be plexing caldari systems for minmatar lp as the value of their lp is more reliable. This conversation is simply me trying to educate you to the fact that even if you reciprocate and plex for caldari lp in minmatar space, its not really going to put them under any pressure as they have implemented a way to take the pressure off by making it very difficult to stack their systems up as vulnerable, all without defensive plexing.
Minnies are uber cool. They have something about them they can do it while nobody else can!  Why gals are not doing that... Ah, right... Gals dont want those systems anyway 
Crosi Wesdo wrote: The reason the gals dont do this is basically because :effort: ... I think the reason why you are confused is that you are basically role playing, saw the massive vp caldari are churning out and decided to brag a little.
excuses excuses 
"Thinking is not Your speciality" (c) Bad Messenger But You still can try again    |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
355
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Posted - 2012.08.20 22:12:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: Gal space is in its down stroke part of the cycle.
Cycle is something that repeats. In case if You are not aware  so far there were nothing like that. try harder perhaps You will achieve something.. some day... eventually... in far future 
Are you stupid, a troll or did you just not notice that gallente just had in their possession nearly the entire warzone and still posses the majority?
Anyway, since you dont seem interested in reality and just want to trade jibes and epeen around in broken english, im going to be the biger man and apologise on your behalf. Fly safe. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
8
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Posted - 2012.08.21 06:42:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Are you stupid, a troll or did you just not notice that gallente just had in their possession nearly the entire warzone and still posses the majority?
Anyway, since you dont seem interested in reality and just want to trade jibes and epeen around in broken english
LOL, so did Amarr. So what? Frogs systems went back into vulnerable faster than Amarr systems. Obviouslly You did not noticed that (Since You dont want them) and that does not bring anything up Your head (for example concept of cycle) so it probably will stay empty  And speaking about reality - no I am not interested in Your fantasies, sorry pal, although I understand that You consider them important.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: im going to be the biger man
Compensating something aren't we?  Oh, sorry You probable never heard of Sigmund Freud...  |
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