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Thomas Gallant Gallente S.M.E.G.	Posted - 2011.02.01 05:58:00 - [1] I was hoping I could get a few of you from the ganker/griefer "club" to post your introspective thoughts on this: what makes you, as a griefer/ganker tick? Why do you do what you do? I'm not complaining here, as complaining is not the intent of this topic, instead I'm wondering why you do the things you do? I can assume that you do it because it's fun, but we're digging deeper than "because it's fun" with deep, profound thoughts about the inner works on your own mind. Tell me, think about it, and post your thoughts.
Erid Tangor	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:02:00 - [2] I think I just snarted.
garus banta	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:12:00 - [3] You should read this research paper on griefing. http://rlv.zcache.com/unicorn_parts_postcard-p239098949733093286qibm_400.jpg we collect these parts in a ritual to prolong our life by making yours miserable. We are locusts, we feed on your ignorance and drink ALL YOUR MILK! ssssslllluuurrrppppppp!!!!
Q 5	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:14:00 - [4] Your asking the unimaginative knuckle draggers to have a deep thought, your asking to much, if they had any good ideals they would be doing that instead of watching the same stupid outcome time after time...like watching a dvd 100 times...to most they would get bored.
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Erid Tangor I think I just snarted. Is that like a shart? I hate it when that happens because 1) It's when I'm on a roam and can't leave because the enemy appeared right before (but it wasn't related in any way ) or 2) I'm in the car and every light turns red right before I get there Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
Q 5	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:18:00 - [6] Edited by: Q 5 on 01/02/2011 06:21:04 Take for instance garus bananas there, a perfect small brain in action.
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:19:00 - [7] I do it for the reactions. I wonder how a person reacts when their hard work gets destroyed.
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Q 5 Take for instance gurus bananas there, a perfect small brain in action. This is one expected reaction. Envy. He wishes he could grief but fails to do so. In his shame, he tries to belittle it so that it appears that only those under him would be capable of griefing.
Grace Wing Gallente Duane Barry Fan Club	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:25:00 - [9] Posting in a Thomas Gallant thread.
Q 5	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:27:00 - [10] Yeah...I kinda lost the thrill of getting reactions when I got past 12 yrs old. But that's why just as an organ can be defective, bad gene's carry over a defective brain.

Q 5	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:29:00 - [11] Yawn...good night all.
Thomas Gallant Gallente S.M.E.G.	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Brynhilda Originally by: Q 5 Take for instance gurus bananas there, a perfect small brain in action. This is one expected reaction. Envy. He wishes he could grief but fails to do so. In his shame, he tries to belittle it so that it appears that only those under him would be capable of griefing. I seem to sense more anger than envy, envy implies that they have a desire something that someone else has but cannot acquire it, and I find it a big assumption to assume they want to grief, from my point of view anyway. I think anger is the most likely reason.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Thomas Gallant Originally by: Brynhilda Originally by: Q 5 Take for instance gurus bananas there, a perfect small brain in action. This is one expected reaction. Envy. He wishes he could grief but fails to do so. In his shame, he tries to belittle it so that it appears that only those under him would be capable of griefing. I seem to sense more anger than envy, envy implies that they have a desire something that someone else has but cannot acquire it, and I find it a big assumption to assume they want to grief, from my point of view anyway. I think anger is the most likely reason. I must concur with my esteemed colleague Mr. Gallant; the behaviour evidenced implies a recent and painful intrusion of the rectal area.
Sinister Dextor	Posted - 2011.02.01 07:38:00 - [14] They like to play. So must of the time they are giggling like girls. Even the ones who ARE girls.
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.02.01 07:58:00 - [15] Inside the mind of a griefer: TACOS!!! Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.02.01 07:59:00 - [16] Because in the game we ... I mean they of course, can do what they can't in real life, and without facing any consequences. Really. Imagine that you could just take chainsaw and start killing people, knowing that there won't be any punishment. Griefers are people who are kept in bay only by law enforcement, not morals.
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.02.01 08:03:00 - [17] Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Because in the game we ... I mean they of course, can do what they can't in real life, and without facing any consequences. Really. Imagine that you could just take chainsaw and start killing people, knowing that there won't be any punishment. Griefers are people who are kept in bay only by law enforcement, not morals. Speak for yourself, a little over half a decade in the infantry during the Bush administration Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
Nathan Jameson Talocan Vanguard Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2011.02.01 08:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Alotta Baggage Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Because in the game we ... I mean they of course, can do what they can't in real life, and without facing any consequences. Really. Imagine that you could just take chainsaw and start killing people, knowing that there won't be any punishment. Griefers are people who are kept in bay only by law enforcement, not morals. Speak for yourself, a little over half a decade in the infantry during the Bush administration YOU TOO??? No wonder we got issues.
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.02.01 08:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Nathan Jameson Originally by: Alotta Baggage Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Because in the game we ... I mean they of course, can do what they can't in real life, and without facing any consequences. Really. Imagine that you could just take chainsaw and start killing people, knowing that there won't be any punishment. Griefers are people who are kept in bay only by law enforcement, not morals. Speak for yourself, a little over half a decade in the infantry during the Bush administration YOU TOO??? No wonder we got issues. Plenty of pills to fix it Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.01 09:46:00 - [20] I started out years ago operating on a semi strict anti macro mining campaign. In those days there was a great deal of sweat shops, not necessarily macros. I thoroughly enjoyed talking to them to find out how much they earned and just how much I could make them go hungry through my actions. I had no idea that literally denying food to another human being could be so satisfying. Sadly that's all gone now. Griefing feels so empty now since all I'm doing is denying [whatever] to [whoever].

Cannibal Kane	Posted - 2011.02.01 12:13:00 - [21] Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Because in the game we ... I mean they of course, can do what they can't in real life, and without facing any consequences. Really. Imagine that you could just take chainsaw and start killing people, knowing that there won't be any punishment. Griefers are people who are kept in bay only by law enforcement, not morals. ^^This... Although I do have high Morals IRL, in game, it's just that... a game. I can be whoever I want to be. Although I do enjoy recieving hate mail from people telling me they will get me somehow one day. What I do will most certainly have consequences one time or another for me ingame. That's what makes it so exciting, that one day I will probly pay for it one way or the other.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company	Posted - 2011.02.01 13:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Thomas Gallant I was hoping I could get a few of you from the ganker/griefer "club" to post your introspective thoughts on this: what makes you, as a griefer/ganker tick? Why do you do what you do? Originally by: Q 5 Your asking the unimaginative knuckle draggers to have a deep thought, your asking to much, if they had any good ideals they would be doing that instead of watching the same stupid outcome time after time...like watching a dvd 100 times...to most they would get bored. Why do grief? Buh. Because fat. Also because ugly. Society make fail to educate person in moral. No can get job or woman. But game good. Game make bad go away. Real life? Real life kill cat for food to not die to play game 18 hours. Real life make suffer. Game? Game no make suffer. Game I make other suffer for make me suffer in real life. Flip can, make cry. Sometimes camp Stranglethorn for half a day with Night Elf hunter. Game make me look like pretty Asian girl, make happy. What inside mind of griefer? Griefer subjective term, but speaking from personal, mix of this and this. Thursdays, this. Fuh, it 8 a.m. Me go sleep now.
Kitty McKitty Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.01 13:29:00 - [23] Ganking is not griefing, it's just gameplay. Often quite profitable gameplay. ~~~
betterdent The Dark Horses.	Posted - 2011.02.01 13:59:00 - [24] My day becomes exponentially better knowing that someone is butthurt about something I have done to them.
Mikalya Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:05:00 - [25] I think Crumplecorn said it best.... According to CCP it isn't griefing unless your intention is to drive the player out of the game. -------------------------------------------- Once upon a time I was a carebear. I am no more. And being no more I am not bound by the laws of a gentler society.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:09:00 - [26] Heh, good luck with this one. Asking a griefer to explain why he does what he does is like asking a 3-year-old to explain Einstein's general theory of relativity. What I think? One word: Sadism. What makes Eve such a beautiful game is also its undoing. It attracts a lot of rejects from other games. Because of its mechanics it can be quite appealing to those looking to harm, bully, and troll others. For a great vast, Eve is a game. But for quite a few it can be a great tool to project ill intentions on others. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Kikkoman6 Amarr NON PROPERO	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:22:00 - [27] I am considered a griefer because I live in highsec and wardec various corporations and alliances for sport. For me, part of the fun is in the hunt. Using locaters to find wt's not docked. Sending in a neutral to scan down a fool running a mission during wartime. sitting 1-2 jumps out to make sure he cannot escape then, when we get a warpin, perfectly executing the hit and escaping before his buddies can react. Also using multiple locaters to profile a targets movements, then when he becomes predictable you catch him on a gate. Another part is fighting outnumbered. Take on twice or more in numbers then afterward laugh at their stupid fits. Warp into a mixed fleet 3v9 in AF's, kill what you can then warp out. Using guerrilla tactics against much larger fleets. Finally, when they do get butthurt, you can point and laugh becuse so many people just dont get that it's a pvp game and there is no e-bushido. Long story short, I am not out specifically to make you angry. I enjoy the style of pvp I do in this game and if you don't like it I really don't care. If you become angry though and send me or my mates hate mail we'll certainly enjoy a good laugh at your expense. -----------
Sinister Dextor	Posted - 2011.02.01 15:10:00 - [28] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Heh, good luck with this one. Asking a griefer to explain why he does what he does is like asking a 3-year-old to explain Einstein's general theory of relativity. What I think? One word: Sadism. What makes Eve such a beautiful game is also its undoing. It attracts a lot of rejects from other games. Because of its mechanics it can be quite appealing to those looking to harm, bully, and troll others. For a great vast, Eve is a game. But for quite a few it can be a great tool to project ill intentions on others. This is just so wrong it's laughable, but carry on believing it if it makes you feel better.
Joe Intaki	Posted - 2011.02.01 15:11:00 - [29] Before anyone reads this, drunken posting is bad, mmmmkay?. I don't consider myself a griefer, but I enjoy the hell out of suicide ganking mining barges. Yes, I know they're trying to make isk in the best way how, but I still want to try and pop them. I love pvp, but I find pve to be a relaxing change from the monantany of pvp. Suiciding miners is pve. 90% of hulk pilots don't think twice about protecting themselves against other players. Although I may fail gank the remaining 10% and chastise myself horribly, those miners that survive (the 10%) get an A+ in my book. With suiciding, it's relaxing. Can I gank the retriever, and can I beat the eve minigame of getting the pod before concord pops my catalyst in a .5 system. It's not personal, it's not sadistic, it's simply a means of enjoying eve through a valid game mechanic. This style of play may upset other players, I can understand that. One fact remains, we're all here to play a video game. One player may derive pleasure from the completion of building another ship, another may derive pleasure from popping another pod. Either way, we should all thank ccp for giving us an elegant distraction from the real world giving us a chance to relax and enjoy life. For those who feel that pirates, griefers, and gankers should die of cancer or some other horrible disease, please keep sending your emails. They really do keep us warm at night. The tears subjugate the nausea from the chemo.
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.02.01 16:43:00 - [30] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 What I think? One word: Sadism. Because people feeling griefed by the loss of a few space pixels can't possibly be the ones with issues...

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.01 17:21:00 - [31] Originally by: Caius Sivaris Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 What I think? One word: Sadism. Because people feeling griefed by the loss of a few space pixels can't possibly be the ones with issues... I didn't say those feeling giefed don't have issues. However, since the topic is about GRIEFERS, not griefees (not sure what the appropriate terms are), I commented on GRIEFERS. And by the way, just because there are some with thin-skin that can be easily aggravated doesn't mean that it some how exempts you from being a griefer and taking pleasure in their misery. A jerk is still a jerk. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Kitty McKitty Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.01 17:42:00 - [32] An alt poaster still has something to hide and can GTFO with his whining. ~~~
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.02.01 17:52:00 - [33] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And by the way, just because there are some with thin-skin that can be easily aggravated doesn't mean that it some how exempts you from being a griefer and taking pleasure in their misery. A jerk is still a jerk. Are people using claymores in Call of Duty griefers too? Shooting people in a game where it's permitted can't possibly be griefing, possibly infiltrating a corp for hot blue on blue action, repeated suiciding of the same person could be categorized as such but your garden variety empire wardeccing and lowsec gatecamping can't possibly be griefing as the game was explicitly designed to do just that. People taking offence to being shot in a PvP game just aren't right in their mind.
Sol'Kanar Private Nuisance Segregati0n	Posted - 2011.02.01 18:10:00 - [34] This is a good troll fred. Internet armchair psychology ftw. Inappropriate signature. Jericho
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.01 18:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Caius Sivaris Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And by the way, just because there are some with thin-skin that can be easily aggravated doesn't mean that it some how exempts you from being a griefer and taking pleasure in their misery. A jerk is still a jerk. Are people using claymores in Call of Duty griefers too? Shooting people in a game where it's permitted can't possibly be griefing, possibly infiltrating a corp for hot blue on blue action, repeated suiciding of the same person could be categorized as such but your garden variety empire wardeccing and lowsec gatecamping can't possibly be griefing as the game was explicitly designed to do just that. People taking offence to being shot in a PvP game just aren't right in their mind. Let me make myself clear. I am not talking about PVP being grief. PVP obviously is a necessary part of this game. I, in no way am insinuating that PVP is grief. I don't believe that by a long shot. With that said, the mean-spirited attitude that some bring to the game could be considered grief. For example, purposely trying to get someone to lash out (ie farming for "tears") is grief. That is the very definition of sadism. I've encountered PVP situations where the "pirate" makes the kill on me, calls "GF" in local, or goes on his merry way. Then there are the idiots that make the kill and then make a spectacle of themselves. To give you a better example, in chess (as it is usually brought up), it is one thing to kill the opponent's piece quietly and with good sportsmanship. And it is an entirely different scenario to kill your opponent's piece, get up, laugh in his face, go post in some board what a noob and idiot your competitor is, all in the hopes to get him upset, so you can have a couple of cheap laughs and feel good with your friends. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.01 18:14:00 - [36] And yet your bio implies griefing pvpers is ok. your posts are entirely geared around winding people up so STFU and post with your main. you even fail at alt poasting since you biomassed your previous alt poaster. ---
dpidcoe Gallente Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2011.02.01 18:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Kikkoman6 I am considered a griefer because I live in highsec and wardec various corporations and alliances for sport. For me, part of the fun is in the hunt. Using locaters to find wt's not docked. Sending in a neutral to scan down a fool running a mission during wartime. sitting 1-2 jumps out to make sure he cannot escape then, when we get a warpin, perfectly executing the hit and escaping before his buddies can react. Also using multiple locaters to profile a targets movements, then when he becomes predictable you catch him on a gate. Another part is fighting outnumbered. Take on twice or more in numbers then afterward laugh at their stupid fits. Warp into a mixed fleet 3v9 in AF's, kill what you can then warp out. Using guerrilla tactics against much larger fleets. Finally, when they do get butthurt, you can point and laugh becuse so many people just dont get that it's a pvp game and there is no e-bushido. Long story short, I am not out specifically to make you angry. I enjoy the style of pvp I do in this game and if you don't like it I really don't care. If you become angry though and send me or my mates hate mail we'll certainly enjoy a good laugh at your expense. This tbh. I find it fun to hunt people who don't want to be hunted. I also find it mildly amusing that some people get upset enough over my actions in a game that they feel the need to send me fanmail. Especially when they write about how my favorite way of playing the game means that I'm mentally unstable and they're going to come murder my family because of it. I do have a pretty dry sense of humor, maybe I'm just a sucker for irony
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.01 18:29:00 - [38] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 01/02/2011 18:39:38 Originally by: Frau Klaps And yet your bio implies griefing pvpers is ok. your posts are entirely geared around winding people up so STFU and post with your main. you even fail at alt poasting since you biomassed your previous alt poaster. One day, when you're older, you'll understand sarcasm . I added that line after some tough-guy "PVPer" (much like yourself) created a thread claiming mission runners were giving him grief by merely running their missions in hi sec. But meh, you wouldn't understand. At least you got some attention :). And let me guess, Lady Spank banned... Again ? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Gorith	Posted - 2011.02.01 22:39:00 - [39] Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Because in the game we ... I mean they of course, can do what they can't in real life, and without facing any consequences. Really. Imagine that you could just take chainsaw and start killing people, knowing that there won't be any punishment. Griefers are people who are kept in bay only by law enforcement, not morals. I don't agree with this quote. I have done my share of unlawful things that does not mean I do not have morals it just means my morals do not line up with what society considers right and wrong anyway on to the actual matter at hand. I would agree that it comes from some sadistic portion of our psyche and tie it in with a sadistic persons innate want to hurt another games give us the ability to exercise such feelings and desires in a way that does not actually hurt anyone (you banging your head into the keyboard is not our fault... masochists). When given such an option someone admittedly like myself would be foolish to not take it as emotions have a tendency to built up then explode when not exercised
The Crushah Gallente The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:47:00 - [40] Lets see, ive stolen, ive scammed, ive suicided miners, haulers, and even one time a cov-ops afk at a planet just because. Why? Its fun, it gets a reaction, it presents a challenge, and because its allowed within the rules of the game!!!! What makes what I do any different than the thousands of head-shots you have made in TF2? Lets all say it again: its allowed within the rules of the game!!!!! And yes, im a (reasonably) well-adjusted member of society and probably way too much education under my belt. The fact that you whine and complain about how I play suggests to me that you have too much at stake in internet spaceships. Some people get it, I scam them, or ransom, etc and about half have a good laugh about it and log off and do something else. The others want to rage, HOW DARE YOU INTERRUPT MY INTERNET SPACESHIPS PLAYING EXPERIENCE!!! One more time: its allowed within the rules of the game!!!!!!

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.02 03:25:00 - [41] Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Imagine that you could just take chainsaw and start killing people, knowing that there won't be any punishment. Griefers are people who are kept in bay only by law enforcement, not morals. why would they take me? I mean I'd be pretty lousy for anything but a meat shield, and well I'm sure they could find some better meat shields out there.
Viribus Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.02 04:03:00 - [42] Carebears: The Thread
Drunken Monk3y	Posted - 2011.02.02 04:58:00 - [43] you (EVERYONE) are totally off-base and insignificant because u forget how important the lol really is to any troll.. have fun.
Paul Clavet Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.02.02 08:36:00 - [44] I play the griefer because it forces people to either become better players or GTFO my favorite video game. True story. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Kacer Xenro Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2011.02.02 11:06:00 - [45] Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Because in the game we ... I mean they of course, can do what they can't in real life, and without facing any consequences. Really. Imagine that you could just take chainsaw and start killing people, knowing that there won't be any punishment. Griefers are people who are kept in bay only by law enforcement, not morals. so you're saying that the only reason im not some serial killer is because its the law, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that i think that killing other people is wrong? yes, i like clubbing baby hulks
Professor Terror Caldari Sinners.	Posted - 2011.02.02 12:58:00 - [46] One time I was griefer, it was a tuesday, quarter hour past noon. I'd been mining when all of a sudden a darkness swept thru my brain. I decided right there and then that this righteous life, the morally respectable way in which I just sat there quietly mining all by self, would no longer do. I shook my fists violently in the air and cursed God. Then I did the most despicable thing I could think of, something absolutely reprehensible, a deed so heinous not even the worst of the griefers eve has ever seen would stoop to... I hopped on C&P and posted an idiotic rant on the morals of people playing the game in a manner I don't like. Disgusting. At this point the only thing stopping me from skull-f****ng toddlers with autism was the fear of law enforcement. Obviously I had no ability to distinguish right from wrong. Yawn, this type of thread was old before the internet. I'll bet the Egyptians had a hieroglyph that meant "griefer" and trolls spammed it on the inside of the pyramids.
Aria Selenis Minmatar Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:12:00 - [47] I'll bite, even though it's a troll thread. There is a small but insignificant chance someone may actually care to read. It's not really a difference in human psychology as your typical carebear would like to paint it, but more a difference in the way you view your Internet Spaceship Game. For instance, I have never been griefed. I have been ganked when I have made mistakes or been careless, and I have lost fights. But I have never been griefed. Why? Simply, I recognize that hostile action is a part of EVE. If someone can profit from my demise, they WILL do so. Killmails have value to some people, so a kill just for the sake of a kill has value to them. This changes your perspective. Once you realize people will scam you, gank you, etc., you realize that it is entirely impersonal. They aren't out to get you, you just happened to be there. If your hulk gets randomly ganked, any other hulk that had been there would get ganked just the same. In other words, PVP is part of EVE, and it is going to happen. Consider it a force of nature. Raging about it is like raging because a tree fell on your car. Yes, it sucks, but who are you mad at? In EVE, the only person to blame is yourself. You didn't consider the threats, you didn't protect yourself, and you died. It's no more griefing than it is 'griefing' to get stabbed by a spy in TF2 because you failed to spycheck. Which brings us back to the 'tears', and why people enjoy your misery. It's hilarious, that's why. You just got killed in a video game. A video game. And here you are, frothing at the mouth, unable to even type coherently through the blinding force of your rage. Making empty, impotent threats, and assuming that we must be some kind of terrible psychopath. Can't you see the humor? That's why we love tears. Not because of some strange fixation with human suffering, not due to some social disorder or misanthropy, but because you come off as hilariously immature. Honestly, if someone was actually sad that I ganked their ship, I might feel bad. A poor newbie who might be driven out of the game, or something? But that's not what 'tears' are. It's sort of a misnomer. When someone posts tears it's invariably some carebear emo raging. So, long story short? It's not a matter of enjoying pain, but a matter of laughing at someone who goes off the handle over trivial nonsense, like losing in a videogame. Ever see a video of some guy screaming and throwing his keyboard around because he got shot in an FPS? Calling the guy a hacker, blaming lag, questioning his enemies sexuality, and generally being a tool who won't admit his own fault? That's you, the carebear. Overwhelmed with fury over an internet spaceship game. So, to summarize: PVP is fun. PVE is boring. NPCs don't think, they never surprise you, you never have to adapt (there are step by step guides and BOTS for this stuff), so once you memorize a few steps and fit a ship with enough tank and dps, you win 100% of the time. PVP is about hunting or fighting a thinking enemy. It's exciting. Carebears are people who sign up for a PVP game and then refuse to PVP, calling it immoral. We will shoot you anyway, in the same way that guy who joins an FPS and goes "GUYS!!! MELEE WEAPONS ONLY! LOL!!!" gets ignored. You will rage, and we find this funny. If you don't rage we're still having fun, and you're probably more fun to play with because you will have a friendly attitude and actually adapt to fight back rather than making excuses. But then we have less reason to be enemies and do not focus on destroying you. Being a jerk and a bad sport makes people WANT to blow you up. As for the argument that you're smarter.. EVE is a mind game. We all have the same resources available to us. If you are smarter, why are you not winning? Crush the people who upset you so much, if you are better than them. Alternatively, make excuses to make yourself feel better.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:16:00 - [48] Originally by: The Crushah One more time: its allowed within the rules of the game!!!!!! this is it. no morale. only borders of oficial laws.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:32:00 - [49] what is a ganker / griefer in the context of this thread ?
Ingvar Angst	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:45:00 - [50] Great post Aria. I have to admit, with my last MMO being WoW, there was a little culture shock coming to the forums and coming to an understanding of how things are in Eve. However, I'm glad I did... I bit ago I took a peek through a wormhole and got pasted by some people in 0.0 space (even pod-killed). Knowing that could happen and that it's part of the game allowed me to easily laugh it off and chalk it up to a lesson learned. I never even saw the guy... it scared the crap out of me. I thought it was npcs at first. Eve isn't meant to coddle new people along the yellow brick road to endgame. Hell, there aren't even any roads, you need to find your own way. Deal or squeel.

Two Shots Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Thomas Gallant I was hoping I could get a few of you from the ganker/griefer "club" to post your introspective thoughts on this: what makes you, as a griefer/ganker tick? Why do you do what you do? I'm not complaining here, as complaining is not the intent of this topic, instead I'm wondering why you do the things you do? I can assume that you do it because it's fun, but we're digging deeper than "because it's fun" with deep, profound thoughts about the inner works on your own mind. Tell me, think about it, and post your thoughts. I'll go ahead and give this a go, with probably a much longer response than you were expecting to receive. There are a lot of misconceptions and generalizations about griefers, chief among these being the prejudicial assumption that they all think and act the same. To understand what goes on in the mind of someone who actively griefs people in this game, you must first understand that there are several different types of people who choose to grief. For each of these archetypes, there are different motivations and different approaches to the game and to the meta-game. You must also understand that the definition of what is and what is not "griefing" varies from player to player. I will try to be as objective here as possible and refer to grief tactics on the basis of their popular names, but I am not perfect and I therefore will undoubtedly include some personal bias here. The type of griefer whom most people blindly assume all griefers to be is the player who derives his pleasure from sadism or schadenfreude resultant from his actions. This player does "bad things" to people because he enjoys the bad feelings and negative responses that his actions cause. Closely related to this type of griefer is the player who derives his feeling of self-esteem or superiority as a result of his actions. These two can be the same person, but one does not require or presuppose the other. Another type of griefer is the player who uses grief tactics as a means to some other desired end, such as the acquisition of currency, items, territory, or what have you. Most players who actively grief will exhibit one or more of these archetypes, though there do exist other archetypes. In discussing each of the archetypes that I mentioned above, let us consider three scenarios: in the first, your ship is destroyed in high-security space by a suicide gank; in the second, your corporation is infiltrated and shared assets are stolen; in the third, you are fooled by a scam. By examining the motivations of each of the above archetypes and how they interconnect with each other, you will better understand the players behind each. Let us first consider a suicide gank. A sadist is happy to suicide gank an expensive ship just for the sake of relieving you of it, and is not nearly so much concerned with the loot. On the other hand, the pragmatist--who views the suicide gank as a means to an end--will be sure to work with a neutral accomplice, and does not care so much what he destroyed as what he can get out of it. While the sadist is more likely to select limited-edition ships and other expensive targets, the pragmatist is more apt to arrange for the suicide gank of industrial and freight haulers. The important thing to note at this juncture is that while two different archetypes could lead to the same action, they each reach that decision point through different priorities. The sadist does it because it makes you miserable and the loot is an afterthought, while the pragmatist does it because he gets your loot and making you miserable is either a small bonus or completely ignored. >> Part Two Forthcoming. Two Shots Goonwaffe *Goonswarm Federation* Official Recruiting Officer
Suiginryou Hitaiga Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:14:00 - [52] To quote my favorite person in the universe: Originally by: G'Kar "Why does any advanced civilization seek to destroy a less advanced one? Because the land is strategically valuable, because there are resources that can be cultivated and exploited, but most of all - simply because they can."
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.02 19:16:00 - [53] Originally by: Miss Rabblt Originally by: The Crushah One more time: its allowed within the rules of the game!!!!!! this is it. no morale. only borders of oficial laws. It's a videogame son. ---
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2011.02.03 02:59:00 - [54] The Scottish Fold sitting on my desk tells me do to it. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Syndryna	Posted - 2011.02.03 22:14:00 - [55] lulz
Alcarius	Posted - 2011.02.03 22:20:00 - [56] Originally by: Q 5 Why do grief? Buh. Because fat. Also because ugly. Society make fail to educate person in moral.Fuh, it 8 a.m. Me go sleep now. Agreed
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2011.02.03 23:57:00 - [57] Troll thread or no, topic can be very real for some. I remember hearing a story, lets say it was first hand, about some sort of a scam/fraud in what I think was Guild Wars, not sure any more. Since I never saw the game in question I'll probably miss a lot in details but it's the general idea that I found utterly hilarious. So there's this guy, the one who is telling the story. He tells me how he was approached by another guy in-game and offered to duplicate certain valuable item by means known to this other guy. The process was kinda idiotic and involved some sort of a rock or placing the item beneath it, not really important now, but it came down to the storyteller dropping the item from his inventory to the ground. So the other guy, the scammer, simply walks up to it, picks it up and leaves. LOLOLOLOL... right? But no. The storyteller says he petitioned, or GW's version of it whatever it's called, the scammer and that he was given his item back plus the scammer got banned. I can really imagine people coming from that sort of environment to eve go through an ugly shock. Both are mmorpgs and they think it would be similar, but it's not the case. As someone said above eve is more of a shooter than anything, everywhere you'll interact and compete with other living people, no matter if its done over industry and market or by simply shooting each other. That's why it's such a great fun in the long run, even if it can be incredibly boring at times and even if you often spend most of the time docked afk or spinning ship and watching youtube. If anything combat, the most direct, personal and base form of pvp, is too easy to avoid and too hard to find. But then there's always youtube...
Cordo Draken	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:26:00 - [58] Aria Selenis, You have by far, written the best explanation to Eve/PvP/"Griefer"/morals yet. That post should be stickied a top C&P forum! I applaud you +100. Well done! Going to throw that in my corp description.
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:58:00 - [59] The Tao of the Hunt I enjoy pkilling. While after 20 years of gaming (mostly RPGs) I always appreciate the game, of course (or why bother playing it), there is something specific that draws me continuously back to the hunt of another player. I'm not going to attempt to play morality games with you and justify what I do. You are mature enough to read this, and I'm sure you can draw your own conclusions. I'm simply going to give you a glimpse into that which you loathe, despise and yet, are oddly curious about. All I ask is that as you read with scorn and derision, you ask yourself why you persist in applying real-world morality to the gaming world ... are you so desperate in your beliefs that you cannot accept that part of the fantasy as well? I'm not evil by nature, certainly not in real-life. One thing you have to be careful of is disassociating the game world from the real. It's a game. Some play to roleplay, some play to be part of a community, I play to be feared. I enjoy those other aspects too, of course, but they pale in comparison to the thrill of the hunt. But if you find yourself upset in real life because you were pkilled, or displaying any other abnormal feelings or traits that give you pause while you pkill, step back, breathe deeply, and play some Tetris or something. Does it bother your sense of reality that I'm just a normal, every-day guy, working behind a desk 50 a week and married? That I have short-cropped hair and wear collared shirts? That I have more suits than t-shirts? That I have degrees on my wall, and a group of normal friends? Ahh, you expected Charles Manson, perhaps. I wish I could help you, but I'm not wired "wrong," or anti-social, or sacrificing cats in the background to the light of red and black candles while chanting the 32nd Psalm backwards. In fact I'm listening to CNN right now, typing this, while my wife works out to the latest 'Tai Bo' tape in the living room. I'm not working out my aggression on you, or emptying my "harbored angst at the world" into our shared fantasy. I simply "am." And you will deal with me, because the minute you entered this game you made your choice. There is no honor in gaming period, regardless of what some tell you, so I won't argue whether this thing is honorable or not . I simply enjoy the heart-pounding chase, the imagined panicked look in the player's eyes as he desperately cries out for salvation and finds only a seeking blade. I thrill in the turmoil my soul enters as I smile wickedly, looting your corpse of all of your worldly possessions, while at the same time some vestige of real-world morality plays the Golden Rule game with me. And then I pouch your goods and with a rejuvenated spring in my step, begin the search for a new target worthy of my attention. Does it bother me on some level that I've destroyed that which you worked for, that if we take it outside the boxes connected to each other that I have in some way harmed you, as you keep reminding me in between all the "**** you's" and their ilk? No, because my alphabet, unlike yours, has 26 letters. Someone obviously forget to put the G, A, M and E in yours. I don't pity you. You made a choice to come here. I exist simply to remind you of your choice. I won't reply to you if you ask me "why?" when you re-enter the game. I won't return your goods. I won't listen to your threats, or your promises, or your whining. You are forgotten, lest you raise my ire again, another name on a long list of people who asked the same questions you now ask. I won't give you back your imagined sense of safety that I destroyed, standing over your corpse. The online world is not all pretty pictures and safety, and I'm your tour guide inside the shadow. The laughter you hear in the night, as you flee for safety? You know who's come calling. Run or die. tbc... ---
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:58:00 - [60] I don't gloat, or taunt, nor do I brag. I simply do, and I do so with methodical, calculated precision. It's not personal, and it's not business either. It's what I enjoy. I won't rub my deed in your face after-the-fact, because you are defeated, and that crosses a line I simply don't want to cross. Ironically, you created me. You came to my game, where PvP is law. You thought you could handle it, that the risks didn't apply to you, that your friends would protect you, that no-one would harm you because you harm no-one else, that although it said it was a PvP game, that you would be safe. You're wrong, very, very wrong. It's you I come for specifically, with enlightenment at the end of a pointed blade, with a nightmare ambush from the empty shadow, with a lesson of the harsh reality of this game written in crimson hues on the ground as you crumple for the last time. Don't whine. Don't ***** to the game masters and admin. Don't ask me to come fulfill your sense of indignant righteousness and fair-play by dueling you, or "fighting you fair." I already did, because nothing's fair here, so everything's fair here. If you cannot defend what you have from the predator, then you don't deserve to have it. Do not bleat at me, little sheep, for this path you chose of your own free will. You knew the wolves lurked here, you simply chose to ignore them. Well I didn't ignore you, regardless of the cloak of illusion you cast about yourself as you seek your place in this world. - A Shriner, written for ArcticMUD circa 1992 ---

Blood Fart	Posted - 2011.02.04 01:35:00 - [61] What makes a greifer tick? The same thing that would make someone want to be a cop. You can screw with people with some degree of safety as long as you stay within the laws/rules while doing it. EVE is really good for me because I'm too lazy to be a cop.
Reinholdr	Posted - 2011.02.04 01:39:00 - [62] What a load of horse sheeyat. I mean you sure do write purty but come on, nobodies buying that crap. Wife doing tae-bo in the other room. I almost shat myself laughing. Although you did just basically agree that griefers are misanthropes who like nothing more than to do things to spoil others fun. They do it because they need to. It helps them feel powerful. The same reason people behave that way in real life. 99% of people behaving like that in a game are the people who have no outlet for it in their real life. One of the reasons Eve will never be as popular as other games (and dont get me wrong, I think this is a good thing) is that the learning curve is less of a curve and more of a cliff. This makes players who have been playing the game for longer much more powerful than newer players and we all know what power does to people. Other games prevent this through game mechanics. What this means is it's way tougher on newer accounts and the greybeards LOVE this. Easy pickins. If you can survive your first two years, it gets easier but most new players never make it that far. Eve just provides people like that with game mechanics that make preying on lesser experienced/skilled players easier. There's no need to judge them. Pity them.
Dzrdya Amarr Evil Holdings	Posted - 2011.02.04 02:42:00 - [63] Originally by: Vrabac So there's this guy, the one who is telling the story. He tells me how he was approached by another guy in-game and offered to duplicate certain valuable item by means known to this other guy. The process was kinda idiotic and involved some sort of a rock or placing the item beneath it, not really important now, but it came down to the storyteller dropping the item from his inventory to the ground. So the other guy, the scammer, simply walks up to it, picks it up and leaves. LOLOLOLOL... right? The old RuneScape armour trimming scam Anyway, i think griefers love the chase, they do something to someone, then want to be hunted down. There is a thrill in escaping when someone is coming after you. I think if you do examine the griefers in any detail, you will find that core fact - They do it, because of the thrill of being chased and getting away.
Mikalia Sunstorm	Posted - 2011.02.04 02:52:00 - [64] P3nis?
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.02.04 06:16:00 - [65] Griefers are heavenly angels, they make you cancel your subscription and save your real life from being ruined by Eve . Where was my griefer 2 years ago ... It's too late for me now sob
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.02.04 06:48:00 - [66] The kick is always in the risk. Blobs, tarps, etc. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Dobri M	Posted - 2011.02.04 07:05:00 - [67] They (griefers) may pull the wings of flies, but you won't catch them doing it to wasps.
Fritzman Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.04 08:45:00 - [68] Edited by: Fritzman on 04/02/2011 08:49:55 My reasons for ganking: Profitable. I fund PLEX + all PVP ships for 4 accounts by ganking. Victims' reactions. I love bitter hatemail in particular. On one large kill the victim hired mercs after me for several weeks. Some of the best, most exciting times I've ever had in Eve during those weeks. Semi-AFKisk gameplay. Scanning for targets is a very laid back activity, and you can work on the side while just having the indies only -overview shown on the side of your screen. Effect on other peoples' gameplay. Several of my victims have stopped grinding and started ganking after getting killed for the first time. The more ruthless bastards we have in Eve, the more interesting the game will be overall. Greed and the unwillingness to grind missions or ratting are what drove me into ganking. Haven't regretted the decision to do it ever since. Many people have the misconception that as a ganker I'd do anything for the ISK, but I'd never gank someone I know in game. If I don't know you, you might as well not exist to me at all. I have a lot to gain by ganking John and Jane Does and nothing to lose.
Thomas Gallant Gallente S.M.E.G.	Posted - 2011.02.04 11:32:00 - [69] Just so you guys know, this was a topic that was intended to be serious, but not not particularly expected to be taken seriously. Before when ganked I would be disappointed and confused, however thanks to you guys I can limit myself to just being disappointed in losing a ship, and no longer confused as well, the confusion being the worst part, as an item in a video game, while not totally worthless, is expendable none the less. One thing I would like to mention is it seem Ironic for PvPer to complain about PvE complaining about PvPers... or maybe it's just redundant, or repetative or something...
Eternum Praetorian True Creation The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.04 14:03:00 - [70] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/02/2011 14:04:28 In every other game I play, I play the good guy... except for EVE. I have in fact asked myself why this is, and TBH I am not entirely sure. But here is my best guess Enter Epic Wall Of Text: Let us first take a look at a Corporation/Alliance that is not in state of wardec. It's pilots seem to be getting along, and their CEO seems to be leading them to some degree and/or giving his member base a place in game where they can relax and do whatever they want with their space pixels. They are buying shiny new ships, recruiting and taking rookies into LV 4 missions to help "Share The Wealth". They also have one or two higher SP pilots who have "Experiences" and "Know How To PVP" These people are often turned to when it's time to fit ships or stand up to a mean PVP'er who is picking on "People With Lower SP" Now Lets Wardec Them... 1.) The "skillful" PVP'ers die once or twice and then become so skittish that they begin to undock less often. The people with less SP who don't entirely understand the game mechanics start to die unnecessary fiery deaths and beg for help in corp chat (or local) tears that fall on the deaf ears of their so-called "Friends" who don't bother coming to their aid. Fractures form between friendships and confidence in their leaders begins to wane rapidly. 2.) Said corp could easily outnumber and gank their attackers... but they do not. Secretly their higher SP pilots don't want to lose their shiny and their all knowing leader (AKA their CEO who never logs on) in all reality wouldn't know what PVP was if it walked over to him and sat on his face 3.) It turns out that their CEO was secretly skimming from the corporate wallet to buy a Charon BPO when no one was looking...and that is why a wallet, that should have been filled with a billions, has only 100M in it. This royally **es people off because it could have helped fund the war effort. At least he "claims" that he took all that ISK for a BPO 4.) People start turning on each other for various reasons, ultimately jumping ship. Leaving their friends, their teachers and a corporation that helped them amass wealth and gather a foothold in the game. People get kicked out of the corp for "Spying" and everyone (including their so-called skilled PVP'ers) stop undocking and log off all together. Summary: Some of, or ALL of, these occurrences will happen over the course of only a single week(sometime two or three) The length and breadth of these occurrences varies greatly from corp to corp and alliance to alliance, but ultimately it is an ever-present element shared by almost all "PVE/PVP based corporations/Alliances" existing in EVE Online. Now Back To The Question "Why Do I Grief"** ...if your still reading that is. Do I really want to use my knowledge and experience to help defend these kinds of people? No... in actuality, I do not. I think they deserve their fate (so to speak). In other games it is easy to champion the cause of right if it is programmed into fake, CGI driven characters whom share a truly moral and virtuous center. An Unshakable drive for community, decency and self-sacrifice for a greater good. The so called "Good Guys" of EVE, behave like nothing more than greedy, self-serving, brats who don't want to share their toys. They are not "Good guys" at all. And miners in Empire are the worst of the lot in my experience...did I mention that I have run alliances before? So I will rob you of your delusions. I will remind you of your truest nature. I delight in kicking you off of your White Horse and separate you from your fragile nerd Ego... And in doing so I am actually studying the Human condition. I bet you didn't think a griefer could be so deep now did you

Gaellia Bonaventure	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:25:00 - [71] Originally by: Destiny Corrupted Why do grief? Buh. Because fat. Also because ugly. Society make fail to educate person in moral. No can get job or woman. But game good. Game make bad go away. Real life? Real life kill cat for food to not die to play game 18 hours. Real life make suffer. Game? Game no make suffer. Game I make other suffer for make me suffer in real life. Flip can, make cry. Sometimes camp Stranglethorn for half a day with Night Elf hunter. Game make me look like pretty Asian girl, make happy. What inside mind of griefer? Griefer subjective term, but speaking from personal, mix of this and this. Thursdays, this. Fuh, it 8 a.m. Me go sleep now. LOL, classic.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:29:00 - [72] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian In every other game I play, I play the good guy... except for EVE. ... So I will rob you of your delusions. I will remind you of your truest nature. I delight in kicking you off of your White Horse and separating you from your fragile nerd Ego... And in doing so I am actually studying the Human condition. Andrey Chikatilo he said once: i tried to make World better..... Originally by: Eternum Praetorian I bet you didn't think a griefer could be so deep now did you not really. All griefers think they are unique, but results are the same most of the time.....
Starfall Achura	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:48:00 - [73] In order to understand the brain of average griefer I would refer you to this 80's commercial.... This is Eve.... This is a the mind of a griefer in Eve... Any Questions? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FtNm9CgA6U
Shigeru Potatomoto	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:07:00 - [74] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian The so called "Good Guys" of EVE, behave like nothing more than greedy, self-serving, brats who don't want to share their toys. They are not "Good guys" at all. And miners in Empire are the worst of the lot in my experience...did I mention that I have run alliances before? That is so true. Everybody thinks high sec=safety even with war decs present, it's actually amazing to watch them go Lord of the Flies because of one guy in a Curse.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:06:00 - [75] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/02/2011 18:08:10 Originally by: Miss Rabblt not really. All griefers think they are unique, but results are the same most of the time..... You are correct ofc, however that result has less to do with the griefer and more to do with the reactions of the said individuals that I was referring too in the post that you quoted. Additionally: That serial killer link is entirely unrelated to what I said. What possibly link could wardecing a corporation in order to instill chaos and observe how people respond to digitally generated adversity, have with a man from Russia who murdered children? Typical carebear response IMO, demonizing other players who distributed a little bit of butt-hurt to their otherwise safe and uneventful gaming experience. Because it is not enough for you to be angry, you have to make believe that people like me are literally evil.
Klauz Lycan Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:06:00 - [76] It's all about Drainage! Drainage, you boy. Drained dry. I'm so sorry. Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake! Look. I drink it up! _______________________
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:40:00 - [77] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian That serial killer link is entirely unrelated to what I said. What possibly link could wardecing a corporation in order to instill chaos and observe how people respond to digitally generated adversity, have with a man from Russia who murdered children? is related =) i think you didn't read that link well (yes, i would not too) but than man didn't just killed his victims. It was more complex and painful procedure. And he killed not just to kill but to eat and enjoy their pain. There is completely different things you would say? I don't agree. Only difference is you can't kill anybody in Eve. Yes, you can pod someone and get killmail. But your victim only looses money and some time. There is only difference. Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Typical carebear response IMO, demonizing other players who distributed a little bit of butt-hurt to their otherwise safe and uneventful gaming experience. Because it is not enough for you to be angry, you have to make believe that people like me are literally evil. sure =) People are equal in general. Doesn't matter how we like to say "i'm unique". =) But you aren't right about angry, this is just tale. People don't like to think about itself "we people are just badasses, we egoistic". Then people make its own tale "i'm just person who teach other people how bad they are", or "he hurt me because he is stupid/mad"... So human nature in general lasts white and kind while someone (other) is bad. =)
Eternum Praetorian True Creation The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:59:00 - [78] Well now your ranting... Moving on
Monkeedude	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:53:00 - [79] I'm pretty sure there is a direct correlation between griefers and Duke Nukem. I haven't been able to gather the statistical evidence to prove it though.
Memcoll	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:50:00 - [80] Originally by: Thomas Gallant I was hoping I could get a few of you from the ganker/griefer "club" to post your introspective thoughts on this: what makes you, as a griefer/ganker tick? Why do you do what you do? I'm not complaining here, as complaining is not the intent of this topic, instead I'm wondering why you do the things you do? I can assume that you do it because it's fun, but we're digging deeper than "because it's fun" with deep, profound thoughts about the inner works on your own mind. Tell me, think about it, and post your thoughts. Because you ask why.

Paul Clavet Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.02.05 02:05:00 - [81] Originally by: Reinholdr What a load of horse sheeyat. I mean you sure do write purty but come on, nobodies buying that crap. Wife doing tae-bo in the other room. I almost shat myself laughing. Although you did just basically agree that griefers are misanthropes who like nothing more than to do things to spoil others fun. They do it because they need to. It helps them feel powerful. The same reason people behave that way in real life. 99% of people behaving like that in a game are the people who have no outlet for it in their real life. One of the reasons Eve will never be as popular as other games (and dont get me wrong, I think this is a good thing) is that the learning curve is less of a curve and more of a cliff. This makes players who have been playing the game for longer much more powerful than newer players and we all know what power does to people. Other games prevent this through game mechanics. What this means is it's way tougher on newer accounts and the greybeards LOVE this. Easy pickins. If you can survive your first two years, it gets easier but most new players never make it that far. Eve just provides people like that with game mechanics that make preying on lesser experienced/skilled players easier. There's no need to judge them. Pity them. Yay projection. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Honeybags GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.05 08:10:00 - [82] People really give schadenfreude a bad rap. I don't take this game or any other seriously. I'm here to have fun. Fun means blowing other people up. Fun means laughing at some idiot who treats his ship like gold and gets furious when you destroy it and steal the cargo. Fun means being able to just bull** with corp mates because I scammed someone and don't have to pay to play for another month or grind plex money. When I read the meltdown posted somewhere about the idiot who spent two years getting a rorq and got it blown up because he never learned that you can't jump caps through gates, I laughed my ass off. He lost his perspective, he invested emotions in pixels owned by an entertainment company. I'm here for the laughs, for the good times with people I enjoy bullting in an overblown chat program with. Do I enjoy coaxing reactions out of people like this? Of course, it's entertaining to see someone lose their over something as stupid as a video game. You guys talk about "getting to have power you don't have in real life" but what it really comes down to with griefers is that you're talking about someone who's not so stupid as to hand others that power over them. There are plenty of pirates who can't really afford to lose more than a ship or two a month of what they fly, and occasionally do. They get back out in a frigate, because it's a game and they're not **ed off they can't fly a Tengu around for a while. Too many people get so caught up in what they want a game to be that they lose sight of and cannot enjoy it for what it is. Eve is a Darwinian space simulator. Just because the only thing you've ever wanted to do is build a sand castle doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy building catapults to knock your castle over with rocks. It's not my fault you don't want to do the same, I'd welcome the give and take, but in absence of give, I'll take everything you have.
Zoom Sanna	Posted - 2011.02.05 17:19:00 - [83] Edited by: Zoom Sanna on 05/02/2011 17:24:20 Edited by: Zoom Sanna on 05/02/2011 17:23:24 What is good? All that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power itself. What is bad? All that is born of weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome. -- Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist, section 2 Also: Dionysus said: 'Under certain circumstances I love mankind. In my opinion man is an agreeable, brave, inventive animal, that has not his equal on earth, he makes his way even through all labyrinths. I like man, and often think how I can still further advance him, and make him stronger, more evil, and more profound.' 'Stronger, more evil, and more profound?' I asked in horror. 'Yes,' he said again, 'stronger, more evil, and more profound; also more beautiful' - and thereby the tempter-god smiled with his halcyon smile, as though he had just paid some charming compliment.
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.02.05 17:58:00 - [84] Do we care? Ignore them, give them no tears, move on, fly safer, fly smarter (if you for some reason have lost ships to them). There really is not much more to it.
Missy Spank	Posted - 2011.02.05 23:01:00 - [85] I usually shart after Taco Bell.
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.05 23:10:00 - [86] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/02/2011 14:10:43 Stuff I'm just curious. Did all of that happen to you when you were one of the "Skilled" pilots or just an observation?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.02.06 09:10:00 - [87] Oh man, look at all dem wall of texts.. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
John Tacos	Posted - 2011.02.06 14:27:00 - [88] Originally by: Alotta Baggage Inside the mind of a griefer: TACOS!!! Someone call me?


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