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Acac Sunflyier
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:26:00 -
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Why are there no systems being slowly devoured by these behemoths? There should at least be one in the center of the galaxy.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: RaTTuS on 03/02/2011 12:28:08
yes but we don't seem to be any where near the centre of a galaxy
and I don't think you want to see one up close anyway
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not sure about WS space actually
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Hermionee
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:35:00 -
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Have a look in Wormhole space the Blackhole systems are mint for fast ganks. 
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Dreddit
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:37:00 -
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See a black hole?
You realize that a black hole's gravitational pull is so great, that even light cannot escape it (and thus, is literally invisible)?
The only way we can observe a blackhole is through its gravitational effects on light passing nearby it from other sources
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Acac Sunflyier
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Acac Sunflyier on 03/02/2011 12:40:31
 Originally by: Hermionee
Have a look in Wormhole space the Blackhole systems are mint for fast ganks.
My point is that back holes are a pretty common object found in a galaxy. But there all hidden away in wormholes.
And no that I mention it, whats with the shape of our galaxy? Yes I like that the star map is not flat but the shape is wrong. Don't most galaxies come in a spiral shape of some sort?
*Edit* On top of that the center of the galaxy doesn't make much sense either. Isn't the center of a galaxy supposed to be brighter and brighter? I mean if our solar system were in the middle of the galaxy we wouldn't have a night because the sky was so lit up. But in EVE the solar systems in the middle look like they have as much star light as the rest of the galaxy.
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Ingvar Angst
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:40:00 -
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I'm pretty sure you don't want to "see" a black hole and don't really appreciate the gravity of the situation if you were to warp into a system that has one. It would suck.
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Commander Amy Stewart
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:40:00 -
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Black holes don't exist in EVERY Galaxy. As EVE is only a very tiny part of one single Galaxy it's not surprising there's no black holes. On the other hand, thousands of wormholes is extremely unrealistic.
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Acac Sunflyier
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
I'm pretty sure you don't want to "see" a black hole and don't really appreciate the gravity of the situation if you were to warp into a system that has one. It would suck.
No you can't see the hole itself but you can see the matter being ripped apart around the event horizon. Not to mention the distortions of the surrounding light.
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Acac Sunflyier
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Amy Stewart
Black holes don't exist in EVERY Galaxy. As EVE is only a very tiny part of one single Galaxy it's not surprising there's no black holes. On the other hand, thousands of wormholes is extremely unrealistic.
Yes they do. Of course they do. There is a super massive black hole in the center of galaxies that everything else orbits around.
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Ingvar Angst
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 03/02/2011 12:47:44
There are spiral, elliptical and irregular galaxies. Based on the size of the star map, we could be a drop in the bucket of any one of these. When you're talking galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars...
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Musashi IV
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:48:00 -
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Thier is a black hole in J1H-R4
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Jai Jones
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Amy Stewart
Black holes don't exist in EVERY Galaxy. As EVE is only a very tiny part of one single Galaxy it's not surprising there's no black holes. On the other hand, thousands of wormholes is extremely unrealistic.
..with the exception of Rogue Black holes ohh and thoes pesky Super Black Holes at the centre of every Galaxy, you are correct.
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Chakarr
Minmatar
Anarchistic Carebears
Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
I'm pretty sure you don't want to "see" a black hole and don't really appreciate the gravity of the situation if you were to warp into a system that has one. It would suck.
No you can't see the hole itself but you can see the matter being ripped apart around the event horizon. Not to mention the distortions of the surrounding light.
Highlighted the funny play on words you didn't 'get'...I lol'd Ingvar, very clever...
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Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ay Liz on 03/02/2011 12:57:32
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
Edited by: Acac Sunflyier on 03/02/2011 12:40:31
Originally by: Hermionee
Have a look in Wormhole space the Blackhole systems are mint for fast ganks.
My point is that back holes are a pretty common object found in a galaxy. But there all hidden away in wormholes.
And no that I mention it, whats with the shape of our galaxy? Yes I like that the star map is not flat but the shape is wrong. Don't most galaxies come in a spiral shape of some sort?
*Edit* On top of that the center of the galaxy doesn't make much sense either. Isn't the center of a galaxy supposed to be brighter and brighter? I mean if our solar system were in the middle of the galaxy we wouldn't have a night because the sky was so lit up. But in EVE the solar systems in the middle look like they have as much star light as the rest of the galaxy.
You do realize that galaxys are made out of millions or billions of stars. Our few could quite possibly be anywhere on the edge. What you see on the map isn't the galaxy as a whole.. just a map of inhabitable solar systems connected with stargates. There could be 20000 more systems inbetween them.
Earth is somewhere on the edge of the Milkyway and we can see the center in the nightsky. And it looks pretty small and distant from where we are.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
Why?
Because the devs didn't have time / inclination to code it in. It's always the answer.
Why do people keep asking these questions?
Why does food restore health and water mana in WoW? Why don't the planes and gyrocopters have realistic-sized wings/blades, how can they possibly fly like that? Why do weapons re-size with the size of your character (gnome vs. tauren) instantly upon equipping? Why is armor one-size-fits-all? Why don't EVE spaceships require some sort of fuel or material for thrusters (electricity can't push you through space alone)?
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:31:00 -
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Maybe the Jump-Gate builders decided to build their Gates in systems populated with useful planets, rather than Insanely Destructive Gravitational Forces.....
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Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Self Preservation Society the 2nd
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru
Maybe the Jump-Gate builders decided to build their Gates in systems populated with useful planets, rather than Insanely Destructive Gravitational Forces.....
We will have none of your heathen logic here! Begone!
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Goldman Suchs
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:55:00 -
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It might be fun to fly towards a black hole and see the effects of time slowing down - eg if ccp implemented longer and longer delays into local chat as the pilot approached, until when he crosses the event horizon, local stops updating altogether, and then your ship and pod get crushed. But then again it would soon get boring.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:59:00 -
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Eve could be a seperate dimension, or universe for all we know, that does not contain normal black holes. i mean think about it lore*** if ur concerned with this then why arnt you concerned with how ships turn, in space you dont magically turn, you would need port, starboard, ect. thrusters.
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Sephira Galamore
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
Why are there no systems being slowly devoured by these behemoths? There should at least be one in the center of the galaxy.
Why should systems be slowly devoured by wormholes? I mean, its not like a star that turns wormhole has a stronger pull then before. The mass didnt change.. only its size.
The only difference is, that IF anonther system were on collision course, there are not two stars colloding but one star beeing eaten.
Oh, and sorry for replying seriously... :p
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Ingvar Angst
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:21:00 -
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Maybe they'll add black holes as a new event on the horizon. I suspect that would pull people in.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:21:00 -
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Their are no black holes in " known" systems because of the blackholes gravitational pull. Since you want to be all realistic and such....
Why would Concord/ the main factions try to anchor gates, stations, other objects in a system that was being devoured by a blackhole? Everything would eventually( with eventually being a rather short period of time) be sucked into the hole. So instead these systems and systems affected by them where skipped.
Also Eve is only part of a galaxy. It may be on the outer edge of the galaxy. I think their are like 2500 or 5000 or something normal systems. That is really not a lot of stars for 1 galaxy.
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Unkn0wn
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Amy Stewart
Black holes don't exist in EVERY Galaxy. As EVE is only a very tiny part of one single Galaxy it's not surprising there's no black holes. On the other hand, thousands of wormholes is extremely unrealistic.
Until the story unfolds and you notice that WH space was created for a purpose and then cut off from Kspace. So in effect yes this many wormholes by our current understanding seems unrealistic but CCP are filling in the story and Wormholes were created for a purpose and I believe that purpose is linked to the fall out from the first jove empire
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Long John Silver
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Goldman Suchs
It might be fun to fly towards a black hole and see the effects of time slowing down - eg if ccp implemented longer and longer delays into local chat as the pilot approached, until when he crosses the event horizon, local stops updating altogether, and then your ship and pod get crushed. But then again it would soon get boring.
Hmmm, sounds a bit like Jita.
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Kham A'laya
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:13:00 -
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The principle of jump gate technology
http://www.eveonline.com/background/jump/jump_03.asp
This important quote:
"There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction."
In general a black hole is a collapsed sun, a system with a black hole at it's centre would not be able to provide the the appropriate gravitational effects needed for a jump gate to produce a stable worm hole.
This also tells us we can only access two thirds of the solar systems in eve space. So take the number of systems you can see on the map, increase that number by 50% and you get a rough guess at how many solar systems are actually there. The systems that we can't see are the ones with only a single star much like our own solar system, or a system with a black hole at it's centre.
Also on a scientific note, the gravitational force of a black hole is no greater than the gravitational force of the dyeing star that created it. If our sun were big enough to create a black hole when it died (which it is not), any planets not destroyed in the suns expansion as it super novas (from jupiter on out) would continue to orbit exactly as they do now.
What about a jump gate around a binary black hole system? Although they do exist, very little is known about there formation, very few have been discovered by humans. they are no where near as common as binary or trinary systems.
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:19:00 -
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The principle of jump gate technology
http://www.eveonline.com/background/jump/jump_03.asp
This important quote:
"There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction."
In general a black hole is a collapsed sun, a system with a black hole at it's centre would not be able to provide the the appropriate gravitational effects needed for a jump gate to produce a stable worm hole.
This also tells us we can only access two thirds of the solar systems in eve space. So take the number of systems you can see on the map, increase that number by 50% and you get a rough guess at how many solar systems are actually there. The systems that we can't see are the ones with only a single star much like our own solar system, or a system with a black hole at it's centre.
Also on a scientific note, the gravitational force of a black hole is no greater than the gravitational force of the dyeing star that created it. If our sun were big enough to create a black hole when it died (which it is not), any planets not destroyed in the suns expansion as it super novas (from jupiter on out) would continue to orbit exactly as they do now.
What about a jump gate around a binary black hole system? Although they do exist, very little is known about there formation, very few have been discovered by humans. they are no where near as common as binary or trinary systems.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Goldman Suchs
It might be fun to fly towards a black hole and see the effects of time slowing down - eg if ccp implemented longer and longer delays into local chat as the pilot approached, until when he crosses the event horizon, local stops updating altogether, and then your ship and pod get crushed. But then again it would soon get boring.
time is relitive anyone in local would be under the same influance and therefore not notice a differance. corp chat to someone out of system on the other hand... and it still wouldnt matter because we use subspace comunication that isnt effected by anything in our plane of existance
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Velarra
Caldari
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Velarra on 03/02/2011 16:43:13
Black hole in a WH space system.
Image:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/SPRyIH_ogEC807vNxyxMzg?feat=directlink
Directory of several more related images:
https://picasaweb.google.com/achura.velarra/Blackhole#
A directory including several images of the Black Hole in J234208
https://picasaweb.google.com/achura.velarra/J23420823061111833YST#
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
See a black hole?
You realize that a black hole's gravitational pull is so great, that even light cannot escape it (and thus, is literally invisible)?
The only way we can observe a blackhole is through its gravitational effects on light passing nearby it from other sources
That's not entirely true. Black holes give off x-rays as well.
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Winters Chill
Amarr
Aesir Frontiers
Asgard Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:47:00 -
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Blackholes, like dark matter and dark energy are conveniently invisible (which means they cannot be observed directly by ANY known means) and fill a hole (pun intended) in the hugely complicated mathematical fairy tales designed to explain the existence of the universe. Theories that probably have more to do with human psychology than the universe as it probably exists in actuality.
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