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Riffats	Posted - 2011.02.03 23:38:00 - [1] I can currently fly a wolf/jag , and am wondering if its worth the time to train cal frig the last level for the hawk/harpy's . What are the pro's /con's of each (the hawk/harpy as i already know the effectivness of the minmitar af's) and is it worth it to be able to fly 2 diff factions af's ?
RiskyFrisky Under the Table Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:04:00 - [2] Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 04/02/2011 00:05:17 It's not worth it. Stay with the Wolf and Jaguar. The only other AF I want right now is the Vengeance, because of it's god awesome active tank. Jaguar and Wolf can both eat a Harpy alive, along side the Hawk. Harpy is a good blaster boat, can be a good rail boat. Hawk is utter garbage. -
BuckStrider Amok. Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:06:00 - [3] It's worth it if you want the option of flying differnt ships, but IMO Matari af's are better than the Caldari ones
Stuart Price Caldari FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:14:00 - [4] Rail Harpy MIGHT be worth it - it lolkills ab fit AF's with contemptuous ease - unless they can almost permarun a 150dps+ tank, in which case it simply flies off to look for easier prey. It's an acquired taste though and it gets chewed up by combat 'ceptors (you can fit a neut, which might be enough, but it's risky), Drams, Slicers and the likes. You can engage a decent selection of larger ships though, which is nice. If they fit a MWD then it gets a bit trickier but there aren't many that do. In general, the matari AF's should be all you need for most situations that call for them. Add in the fact that you can probably fly a Claw and Stiletto and likely the Hound, most of your frigate needs are catered for, especially if you have some Gallente skills for the Dram and Daredevil :) Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Riffats	Posted - 2011.02.04 01:57:00 - [5] thanks for the advice everyone . considering its an 8 day train the advice is very helpful :)
Herman Klaus Caldari Touched By Klaus	Posted - 2011.02.04 11:55:00 - [6] I think some of you need to revisit the Hawk. Med Booster along Navy 400's mean it can field a tank no frig can break before they melt from the newly buffed rockets. I myself fly a Jag and love it but I cannot compete with a 150dps tank Hawk.
Baron Agamemnon Caldari The Einherji Supernova Federation	Posted - 2011.02.04 14:01:00 - [7] I can fly all AFs decently (at least skill wise) but I usually stick with the Jaguar or the Harpy. Jag is great for its speed (MWD), tank (MSE), tackle and dps, but it has to commit more to a fight then say my Harpy. All arounda fun ship to fly in a pack or as a tackler for bigger ships. The Harpy I fly with rails and MWD, and I have killed more then 1 AB AF easily (free loot ). It has its weaknesses (laser ships, missile ships and faster MWD ships), but still a lot of fun. Wolf while good paper dps is imo not so great for what I use it for. I rather use a thrasher for that kind of thing tbh. Hawk... well, the dps boost it recently got helps it, and rockets are now more viable. Makes an ok "Caldari Jag" if you lack minmatar skills, but I have not found a good use for an acive setup on it, so imo the bonus should go out and be replaced with a proper resistance bonus. Aslo it got some PG boost while what it really needed was a CPU boost. Expecting it to use missiles that needs lot of CPU in combination with shield tanking also using lot of CPU and not giving it CPU was a bad idea from the start. --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire **** into space."
NoLimit Soldier	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:52:00 - [8] Don't. Jag hits harder, is faster, and can tank the same. The hawk and harpy are junk compared to minmatar ones. Wolf is some serious dps but I prefer the jag. Jag - USE the resist profile and your speed. MSEII + Small booster fed by your nos = game over hawk. You are even FASTER than it and can disengage, it can not. Much like a merlin the hawk needs a web to apply its dps/disengage, but fitting a web means its tank can't hold and will lose anyway. Even with 2 EM rigs on the hawk the jag has a higher resist to EM :) Oh yea did I mention I spent 2 months TRYING to get the hawk to do something decent and the only decent setup is to buffer/neut it. How stupid is that? I hate caldari. -Ex caldari PVPer.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:58:00 - [9] Maybe caldari frig l5 isnt worth to train for afs, but its definitely worth its 8 days - for hookbill.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Maybe caldari frig l5 isnt worth to train for afs, but its definitely worth its 8 days - for hookbill. I didn't know you needed frig lvl 5 to fly navy frigs. Anyway, you guys are seriously underestimting the Caldari AF.

Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:32:00 - [11] Im not underestimating anything and you want l5 caldari frig because of 20% dps increase.
Dark Pangolin Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:04:00 - [12] Edited by: Dark Pangolin on 04/02/2011 18:06:31 Edited by: Dark Pangolin on 04/02/2011 18:05:41 I fly Amarr and Cal AFs and often fight the venerable wolf/jag. Do not underestimate the hawk...with good active fit and a blue pill you can DESTROY any other frig long before your tank goes down...takes drugs and navy cap boosters though...even with a buffer fit scram/web/AB set up it does quite well, as long as you remember to switch out rockets to the proper damage against other AFs (and don't engage kiters...you cant beat kiters who fly well) 8 days training time isn't bad. IMHO take all frigs to 5, there is always a use for any one of the AFs or Intys or Electronic atack or SBs... EDIT: typing errors
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:31:00 - [13] Reasons to train Caldari Frig 5: - The Manticore - The Kitsune - The Hookbill - The Crow - The Harpy These are all excellent ships. I even hear good things about the Hawk these days. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
freshspree	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Liang Nuren Reasons to train Caldari Frig 5: - The Manticore - The Kitsune - The Hookbill - The Crow - The Harpy These are all excellent ships. I even hear good things about the Hawk these days. -Liang Liang-sama has spoken
Stuart Price Caldari FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren Reasons to train Caldari Frig 5: - The Manticore - The Kitsune - The Hookbill - The Crow - The Harpy These are all excellent ships. I even hear good things about the Hawk these days. -Liang I agree with all of this except the bit about the Crow. It's a horrible combat interceptor compared to the other 3 :( It's easy mode to fly and you'll kill bad pilots but for people who know what they're doing the others are FAR better. It does mash up AB frigs pretty nicely though. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Worgen Fratmon Minmatar Instapop Industries	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:19:00 - [16] Now, I'm going to offer a reason that someone might go with a Caldari AF over something else. (Not that this would be a great reason, though). This reason, for use in a fleet with heavy shield boosting from leadership and the respective mods. This could (I'm at work and can't run the numbers) make the Hawk somewhat viable.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Stuart Price Originally by: Liang Nuren Reasons to train Caldari Frig 5: - The Manticore - The Kitsune - The Hookbill - The Crow - The Harpy These are all excellent ships. I even hear good things about the Hawk these days. -Liang I agree with all of this except the bit about the Crow. It's a horrible combat interceptor compared to the other 3 :( It's easy mode to fly and you'll kill bad pilots but for people who know what they're doing the others are FAR better. It does mash up AB frigs pretty nicely though. Yeah I agree. Nowerdays, crow is meh to the power of mediocre.
Warzon3 Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:23:00 - [18] Edited by: Warzon3 on 04/02/2011 22:23:51 Quote: [Harpy, pvp blaster shield boost] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Dread Guristas Medium Shield Booster Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I 1MN Afterburner II Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I I flew one of these once when I was in red vs blue the shield booster is pretty nice especially since I have a HG crystal set. gave me a 150 dps tank while spanking the enemy with 220 dps. DG booster not required. and training for caldari frig gives you this beauty. Quote: [Caldari Navy Hookbill, pvp] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner Medium Shield Extender II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I DPS is a bit on the low side but it somehow is capstable with the tackle and mwd running 3300 m/s (4700 heat) and it will do 1300 m/s on the ab (1700 heat) while having a 6.7k buffer ---- Dear Noah, We could have sworn you said the ark wasn't leaving till 5. Sincerely, Unicorns.
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Katarlia Simov Originally by: Stuart Price I agree with all of this except the bit about the Crow. It's a horrible combat interceptor compared to the other 3 :( It's easy mode to fly and you'll kill bad pilots but for people who know what they're doing the others are FAR better. It does mash up AB frigs pretty nicely though. Yeah I agree. Nowerdays, crow is meh to the power of mediocre. ITT People who have never flown a crow. Since the rocket changes any plate/web/rocket crow piloted by someone who can keep to the edge of scram range will murder any inty other than a rail taranis or well tanked crusader. SML crow is possibly the best solo interceptor in the game. It might suck monkey balls 1 vs 1 against other interceptors but honestly when was the last time you went out solo and met another ship of the same class to 1 vs 1? It can take down most af's and engage cruisers without ever getting scrammed, webbed or neuted. Try doing that in a claw. The crow is not an easy ship to fly, make one wrong click and it will shaft you but that's what makes it so much fun to fly ;) Any racial frigate is worth training to 5, every race has good ships.
TaluxA	Posted - 2011.02.05 09:44:00 - [20] Edited by: TaluxA on 05/02/2011 09:43:59 Yeah, that's true about all the racial frigates. They're surprisingly well balanced at the moment (minus the dramiel ofc).

Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2011.02.05 14:08:00 - [21] Originally by: yani dumyat SML crow is possibly the best solo interceptor in the game.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.02.05 15:44:00 - [22] arty claw > sml crow anyway caldari frigates are aw3some. harpy is actually one of the best AF and im pretty sure the hawk is a monster now. crow, raptor.
Stuart Price Caldari FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.02.05 18:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: yani dumyat SML crow is possibly the best solo interceptor in the game. To be fair, I respect his opinion. We had a decent debate about the pro's and con's of the Crow (rocket-plate in particular) in a different thread) and at least he flies the ship he's defending instead of repeating what he's heard others say. It's just that I've also flown the Crow, rockets and SML's. It's the 'ceptor I started off in. I found the results to be exactly what I've already said. SML fit can kill things if they can't catch it or get to a gate but it still lacks enough dps on target and it's not hard for another fast frig to catch it or simply escape if that proves troublesome. Rocket fit can kill other frigs if they don't close it down fast enough. Unfortunately, the scram 'sader, which has the same fighting style (operating just inside scram range usually), applies FAR more damage; the Claw is FAR tougher and packs a neut and the 'ranis dual props to dictate range better and get face melting dps applied. You CAN get results with it, but they rely more on how your opponent flies than on how you fly and I prefer to be the one responsible for my losses when I die. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2011.02.05 19:22:00 - [24] Opinion is one thing, reality is another thing. Ive flown sml crow alot in the past, but it just isnt any match for ANY of dogfighters. And for tackling there are much better options /stilleto.../.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2011.02.06 03:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Zeba on 06/02/2011 03:26:09 /recital: Minmatar all the way for frigate level pwnage whatever the role. Stiletto. Fast with a nice mse buffer and can easily lock pods down lag willing. Wolf. A good solo frigate but is pretty much outclassed by the Jaguar in every other situation. Yeah yeah I know. Jaguar. Best frigate in the game bar none. Can tank and gank or nano and point or ew and gank or many many many other variations. This is the baseline for the assault frigate reworking that so desperately needs to be done. edit. Rifter. Best t1 frig in the game that can take out t2 ships with the right combination of fit vs targets fit. Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you. Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2011.02.06 03:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 06/02/2011 03:26:09 /recital: Minmatar all the way for frigate level pwnage whatever the role. Stiletto. Fast with a nice mse buffer and can easily lock pods down lag willing. Wolf. A good solo frigate but is pretty much outclassed by the Jaguar in every other situation. Yeah yeah I know. Jaguar. Best frigate in the game bar none. Can tank and gank or nano and point or ew and gank or many many many other variations. This is the baseline for the assault frigate reworking that so desperately needs to be done. edit. Rifter. Best t1 frig in the game that can take out t2 ships with the right combination of fit vs targets fit. I knew you couldn't stay away for long, Zeba. Don't under-estimate the hookbill and hawk.. they are pretty scary to run into now when in the right hands. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2011.02.06 04:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Umega Don't under-estimate the hookbill and hawk.. they are pretty scary to run into now when in the right hands. True. The recent rocket buffs have certainly propelled them into the realm of lolsolo frigate fighters. tl;dr? Noone cares about if a frigate can 1vs1 another frigate. All the fc cares about is if you can get the intital point and keep it till the dps can arrive and take over. Saying that both those ships are now a viable alternative to the minnie mantra I will grudgingly admit. Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you. Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
Artemis Rose Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2011.02.06 10:48:00 - [28] No, the Hawk still isn't that great due to having an active tank bonus and a rail harpy isn't all that fantastic to warrant training specifically for it. I'd train for Gallente, so you can get the Taranis and the Ishkur and the 2nd bonus to the almighty Dramiel. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
NoLimit Soldier	Posted - 2011.02.06 17:45:00 - [29] The raptor is good? The SML Crow is best combat interceptor? The hawk's weakness is kiting? This is why I switched to scrap heap. Just shocked this hasn't turned into a nerf drake thread yet.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2011.02.06 17:48:00 - [30] Caldari are favoured by ccp and are eve easy mode, minmatar = eve on hard mode.



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