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Sein Klitoris
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:43:00 -
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I am going a bit nuts with this scanning stuff. like something could use a good kick. Done the tutorial missions and those were fine. Now figured I'd just try this elsewhere, but "-ú%!-¼ it's giving me issues.
Have a look at the screenprints
1) This scan resulted in the red sphere here.
Scan giving result
I then proceeded to somehow lose it, but managed to get it back with this:
2) Still got a similar size sphere back.
This also got a result
but for the life of me I can't seem to narrow it down. For example this here, totally loses it. It'd dead centre when looking from above with 4 probes in a square and the 5th in the centre. Side on, the whole sphere is covered too. Scan ....no scan result ...argh $-ú"%T!-ú%^"$-ú A"-ú%-ú"T-ú"!
and this makes it disappear
What am i doing wrong here?
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Cameron Zero
Red Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:46:00 -
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EDIT: NM, I should actually look at screenshots before replying. ;)
Is it possible your probes are all too close together?
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Chris Slayter
Cypher Mortalis
Otaared Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.21 00:29:00 -
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Sein Klitoris wrote:I am going a bit nuts with this scanning stuff. like something could use a good kick. Done the tutorial missions and those were fine. Now figured I'd just try this elsewhere, but "-ú%!-¼ it's giving me issues. Have a look at the screenprints 1) This scan resulted in the red sphere here. Scan giving resultI then proceeded to somehow lose it, but managed to get it back with this: 2) Still got a similar size sphere back. This also got a resultbut for the life of me I can't seem to narrow it down. For example this here, totally loses it. It'd dead centre when looking from above with 4 probes in a square and the 5th in the centre. Side on, the whole sphere is covered too. Scan ....no scan result ...argh $-ú"%T!-ú%^"$-ú A"-ú%-ú"T-ú"! and this makes it disappearWhat am i doing wrong here?
Try to decrease the scan range of your probes (shift+drag does it for all probes at the same time iirc) and then re-adjust them to overlap in the center, which would be your center probe in that case. Also, the center probe should have a smaller range than the surrounding probes when using your layout.
The reason for your problems most likely is the built-in restriction of probe scan strength. Once upon a time it was possible to send all probes in the center of a system, setting them to max-range and scan the entire system. As this was not intended they changed it so that whenever too many probes cover the same area, they will suffer from increased interferences, therefore preventing you from achieving decent results.
Remember: Smaller scanrange = better scanstrength.
Also try some other probe layouts, I prefer a pyramid-like layout: 4 probes set up in a square on the same level and a fith probe in the center of it but with a slight change in vertical position.
If you still have trouble pinning down signatures, I recommend training your scan-related skills at least to 4 (it just becomes soooo much easier, believe me) and using a covops ship. Alternatively just use your preferred T1 scan frig.
Cheers, Chris |
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:33:00 -
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Hello Sein,
I noticed that your only using 5 probes typically the standard is 6 to really pin down something. One on top one below and 4 around. Making a Diamond formation, at least that is typically that I have seen done and usually to great success. CCP does have an official video that you can watch to learn more. I highly suggest it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00Idg
Scanning is an art and takes time to learn how to do properly don't have your probes directly in the circle but just touching the edges of it.
I hope this helped out a little bit.
ISD Athechu
Commander
ISD STAR (Support Training and Resources)
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
936
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:45:00 -
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Sein Klitoris wrote:What am i doing wrong here?
The default filters suck. If you don't change them, sigs will disappear once they are identified at 25%.
This is an extremely common problem for beginners.
Disappearing scan results? |
Kate Stenton
Four Pillar Production
Dragehund
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Posted - 2012.08.21 05:04:00 -
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Hi Sein,
Scanning can take a bit of finesse and practice but you'll get better quickly. It can be especially difficult when your skills are very low, but stick with it!
In your first picture, the signature simply isn't in that sphere. Your largest probe has picked up the signature, which means it is actually somewhere in the 8AU scan range, not 4AU with the rest of your probes. It is smaller because it is a weak signal.
All signatures will spawn within 4AU of a celestial, so in your second picture, I would move all your probes over to the nearby planet and try again.
If you have low scanning skills, positioning is more crucial. The easiest way to maintain a proper scanning shape is to deploy all your probes and then move them into the desired shape.
For me it's easiest to make a cross pattern instead of a square + middle, just because I can line the points up faster. It makes no difference in the end, just a personal preference.
After that, simply hold Shift or Alt when dragging to move all the probes simultaneously. Shift will move all the probes, and Alt will contract or expand all the probes around a central probe.
You will also want to use a scanning-bonused ship. For Minmatar, that ship is the Probe. Use 2x gravity capacitor rigs (they are pretty cheap).
I have used 5 probes almost exclusively except for really weak signals, so you can do fine with only 5. Just keep in mind that more probes = more scan strength, and when your other skills are low you might want to use more.
Feel free to contact me in-game or send me an eve-mail if you have any other scanning questions.
Good luck! |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
The Kali Cartel
91
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Posted - 2012.08.21 05:20:00 -
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Please don't dual-tank!
Oh wait, scanning eh?
"haiku are easy,
But sometimes they don't make sense,
Refrigerator." |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
947
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Posted - 2012.08.21 05:21:00 -
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It's the filters: http://www.swiftandbitter.com/eve/misc/Reset_Filters.jpg |
Marsan
Production N Destruction INC.
41
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Posted - 2012.08.21 05:31:00 -
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http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Scanning_%26_Probing |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
The Kali Cartel
91
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Posted - 2012.08.21 06:29:00 -
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... also don't mix and guns.
"haiku are easy,
But sometimes they don't make sense,
Refrigerator." |
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.08.21 08:07:00 -
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Since a lot of thigs were said already, I'll just empathize some things once more:
1. Skills and bonused ships, get those for the starters; later on, you'll be able to do stuff with non-bonused ships too;
2. Use Shift (move all probes) and Alt (tighten/loose probe formation) keys, without those scanning would be major PITA;
3. When you have ISK to affort those, try to get Sisters probes. |
Sein Klitoris
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 09:47:00 -
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Thanks everyone, I'll give the suggestions a bash and see where that gets me. |
B1ade
Restless Knights
Warp 2 Zero
5
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Posted - 2012.08.21 11:28:00 -
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have a look in here http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC09EB7E88FB25E5E
and then check out #19 on 7 prob formation and scanning, all made by th guys at eve university, watch all the videos and that should sort you out
Step away from the keyboard before you type something else stupid. |
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.08.21 11:37:00 -
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No it wasn't the filter.
In the first screen, your using 4Au range on most probes, 8 Au range on a single one. The result you get is found by the 8Au probe. Dont mix ranges, except you know what you are doing.
On the second screen, the sig is found by a probe not beeing at the same z-axis than the others. rotate the view to check.
For pinpointing the position of a signature you should space your probes a bit more. When it comes to get the 100% hit, you may move them closer while using smaller ranges. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force
Fatal Ascension
214
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:07:00 -
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ISD Athechu wrote:Hello Sein, I noticed that your only using 5 probes typically the standard is 6 to really pin down something. One on top one below and 4 around. Making a Diamond formation, at least that is typically that I have seen done and usually to great success. CCP does have an official video that you can watch to learn more. I highly suggest it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00IdgScanning is an art and takes time to learn how to do properly don't have your probes directly in the circle but just touching the edges of it. I hope this helped out a little bit.
OP, Seriously, just watch this video and you wont have any more problems with scanning. The method for scanning is actually very simple once you figure it out.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:32:00 -
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My money is on the filters. |
Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:30:00 -
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ISD Athechu wrote:Hello Sein, I noticed that your only using 5 probes typically the standard is 6 to really pin down something. One on top one below and 4 around. Making a Diamond formation, at least that is typically that I have seen done and usually to great success. CCP does have an official video that you can watch to learn more. I highly suggest it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00IdgScanning is an art and takes time to learn how to do properly don't have your probes directly in the circle but just touching the edges of it. I hope this helped out a little bit.
Really? I have always used 5 in the 'x' formation without problems. I'll have to try 6 next time.
And +1 on "Scanning is an art", nothing will teach you better than experience. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:16:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:ISD Athechu wrote:Hello Sein, I noticed that your only using 5 probes typically the standard is 6 to really pin down something. One on top one below and 4 around. Making a Diamond formation, at least that is typically that I have seen done and usually to great success. CCP does have an official video that you can watch to learn more. I highly suggest it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00IdgScanning is an art and takes time to learn how to do properly don't have your probes directly in the circle but just touching the edges of it. I hope this helped out a little bit. Really? I have always used 5 in the 'x' formation without problems. I'll have to try 6 next time. And +1 on "Scanning is an art", nothing will teach you better than experience.
I use 7. middle probe. top, bottom, and all 4 sides. I shift-click-drag the middle probe (like in this tutorial). You will cut your number of scans in half and get fewer red rings/double signals if you use 7 probes.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
chris elliot
EG CORP
Talocan United
42
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Posted - 2012.08.22 15:20:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Din Chao wrote:ISD Athechu wrote:Hello Sein, I noticed that your only using 5 probes typically the standard is 6 to really pin down something. One on top one below and 4 around. Making a Diamond formation, at least that is typically that I have seen done and usually to great success. CCP does have an official video that you can watch to learn more. I highly suggest it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00IdgScanning is an art and takes time to learn how to do properly don't have your probes directly in the circle but just touching the edges of it. I hope this helped out a little bit. Really? I have always used 5 in the 'x' formation without problems. I'll have to try 6 next time. And +1 on "Scanning is an art", nothing will teach you better than experience. I use 7. middle probe. top, bottom, and all 4 sides. I shift-click-drag the middle probe (like in this tutorial). You will cut your number of scans in half and get fewer red rings/double signals if you use 7 probes.
Confirming 7 is the fastest way to go, bar none. Resizing the center probe to he one size smaller than all the others speeds life up as well. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
238
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Posted - 2012.08.23 15:37:00 -
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I've just found it difficult to monkey around with 7, having to rotate the screen to move the top and bottom probes up and down. With the 5 probe X pattern, You can keep your view top-down while honing in on your target.
However, I never thought to make the center probe one size smaller with the 7. I might have to give that another try.
How long from launching the probes to getting a scan down to 100% does it take you with that system in real time?
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
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Methrowpoo Justjuwatch
Risk Breakers
C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:23:00 -
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How do you get more than 5. I saved and saved and got the sisters of eve extended probe launcher and 10 sisters of eve probes. Wont let me use more than 5 though...... |
Kimimaro Yoga
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:51:00 -
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You get more than 5 probes by training Astrometrics higher. Get Astro 4, that unlocks Rangefinding which really improves results.
For the OP though:
I see your problem quite clearly, in the second picture. You are using too low an AU setting.
When you get a red sphere, it means that only one probe is getting an adequate signal from the target. It also means that the target is located somewhere on the surface of that sphere (roughly). In that picture, the area of overlap within the center of your scan spheres is entirely inside the red sphere. That overlap is where you need your target to be, and it isn't.
At that point what I would do is use alt-drag to make the formation larger. Open it up until each probe is at least close to the surface of the red sphere, if not actually outside it. Then kick up your AU a notch, so that every probe is still inside the sphere of every other probe, *and* the red sphere is well within the overlap of the blue spheres. Scan again. This should get you a low% single target. Shift-drag to recenter your formation, alt-drag to bring the probes a bit closer to your target... but do NOT lower the AU. Scan again. This should give you a noticeably higher % than the last scan. Now it should be safe to recenter, shrink down, and drop one AU before scanning again.
The key point is you always want your target to be well within the area of overlap of all your probes. Don't start shrinking down until you have a single dot that's over 25% at least.
Oh, and the reason having the center probe at a lower AU is because of the overlap. What that does is fills the overlap area (but not much farther) with a higher-strength signal. |
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