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Dust Brother
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Posted - 2005.01.27 06:18:00 -
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Why is it anyone can come along and undercut someone's price by .01 isk and get the sale? This is totally insane in more ways than one. I'm sure you all will just say something like "Its called market economics", but the fact doesn't change that the BUYERS in Eve need to be able to make decisions as who they are buying FROM. It seems like an easy solution to fix the undercutters. If a person had the choice to buy from a reputable corp or from a ganking griefing pirate corp, I'm sure most would rather fund the sincere corp.
I'm sure most alts are selling on the market anyway, so thats another issue. I just think the market is crap, cuz too many people don't understand that you can sell in other places than Yulai, and that they are willing to adjust there prices just to sell. I'm sure knowing WHO you are buying from will help some, but it wont fix it entirely.
... and on another note... we need something done about the wars in Yulai. Its pathetic how small corps waging alliance wars can camp a gate in Yulai for free shots. War is still a big issue. I suggest limiting wars to .7 and below or raising prices even more.
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NewbieOne
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Posted - 2005.01.27 09:58:00 -
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You can chose off the list of sellers who you want to buy off so if you want to pay more for something you have the option, undercutting is what happens, if you want to sell something faster you lower the price. WhereÆs the problem?
Yes you can sell in other places other than Yulai but Yulai happens to be extremely busy which is why you get a lot of things going on there. Again whats the problem?
People Warring in Yulai ant bothering you so whatÆs the problem? If a small corp is taking on an Alliance what you want them to do, take there 5 ships into the heart of Alliance space and face there 4000? Its called Guerrilla tactics. Its fine how it is.
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Cazor Rodiac
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Posted - 2005.01.27 11:45:00 -
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What you actually are saying is that you would like CCP to intervene more and more in the game. The whole idea of Eve(in my opinion) is that you have the freedom of doing those things if you want to, even waging war against any flying object you see :).
And for the current economics: yes, people are mostly buying price related from the market, thats logical. If you want to "brand" yourself, you should go and sell through the irc channels, the forum etc. THAT's the place where you can market yourself or your corp.
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.01.27 12:11:00 -
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ooooh.
Open the pandoras box did we?
Well I'll play along.
How whould you implement this sell to honnest corps?
Whouldn't this just make alt corps more attractive?
It's way to attractive as it is in my mind.
Ok. Lets say we implement the "brand" thing if it's possible.
You also have the problem of paying for the price of the brand
ie. the better the brand the higher the price.
Thats how the market today works.
If your going to complain about undercutting I think branding will be a much much larger problem than just undercutting.
Undercutting is a way to sell items.
Waring for it I think just makes a interesting aspect of it.
Going after a large provider will have it's rewards and it have it's downs.
Could be that they pay others to fight they're wars for them.
On the yulai issue though.
It's like escrow.
In yulai you have the greatest potential for viewing.
Thats why ppl sell there.
Undercutting in that respect will always accure.
If you want higher price you go away from yulai.
I don't really see the problem to be honnest.
Just becus you live and breath yulai doesn't make it limited.
And the market is good as it is I think atleast.
There is a 1000 diffrent things ccp does to keep it in balance.
From beefing up armor to dropping more bpo's.
But I can see a interesting aspect whit that limiting wars to .7 and below.
I whould say .8 and below.
Some places that where truely safe.
That is an interesting aspect.
Trow in policing in .4 and we have a deal I think.
SoonÖ
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Droidster
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Posted - 2005.01.27 16:10:00 -
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First of all traders post goods under their name everywhere except Yulai (where they may have a non-moving alt).
Secondly there are a long line of communists and totalitarians who think just like you: let's control the market using political considerations starting with who you are.
Thirdly these tyrants and their ignorant supporters, "the people", have succeeding in proving over and over again that politicizing markets damages the markets.
Fourthly I hope you have to wait in a long line to buy toilet paper some day.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.01.27 17:03:00 -
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To the original poster:
I think that you want best of both worlds. You want to sell something fast and you want to make as much money as possible.
If you want to sell something fast then price it accordingly lower and no one who is trying to make a profit (i.e traders) will undercut you by any amount.
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.01.27 19:45:00 -
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checking orders often is a cost of selling
having to deal with empire wars is a cost of being in an alliance
the more complicated the game gets, the more ways there are for clever people to mitigate these costs. and that is what makes it fun
if you'd rather whine, then please, kindky, gtfo
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Dust Brother
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Posted - 2005.01.28 04:17:00 -
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Don't get me wrong. I think competition is good for the market. I just dont understand why some people chose to sell items that make them barely 2% profit.
For example, to make a Moa with current mineral prices it may cost about 6.7mil... however, people seem to think that selling a Moa for 6.8mil is a good idea just so they can get rid of it. Personally, I feel you could prolly do just as good if not better selling minerals, rather than going through the whole production process.
If you sell in Yulia you better be prepared to get little or no profit... My point is, sell in lower secs, where there may be less demand, however you'll get more profit... not to mention cheaper factories. Have you seen the prices for offices and factories in Yulai? It amazes me if you so make any profit after you factor in all those rental rates.
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NewbieOne
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Posted - 2005.01.28 15:30:00 -
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Well I currently make around 2% profit doing what I do, well donÆt sound great but it currently use up about 500 mil isk a day and well 2% profit a day is better than 10% per week
Take your pick?
This way I make a decent amount of money and it prices everyone else out of the competition meaning my field there is just about only me in it.
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Dust Brother
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:48:00 -
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 Originally by: NewbieOne
Well I currently make around 2% profit doing what I do, well donÆt sound great but it currently use up about 500 mil isk a day and well 2% profit a day is better than 10% per week
Take your pick?
This way I make a decent amount of money and it prices everyone else out of the competition meaning my field there is just about only me in it.
If you think you are pricing everyone out as your competition you are surely mistaken. The only real profit from selling on market comes with t2 items and large ships.
Your name fits. 
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.01.28 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Brother
If you think you are pricing everyone out as your competition you are surely mistaken. The only real profit from selling on market comes with t2 items and large ships.
Your name fits.
and the irony is, the more people believe this, the less true it will become
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Syndeux Denmoir
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Posted - 2005.01.28 19:19:00 -
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Hmm....well, yeah, if you can't make profit in Yulai, get out. I don't sell there, so I can say that :D. I sell about 40-50mil worth of goods a day for about 25-30% profit. And that's only Tech1 stuff. None of this overpriced for my wallet Tech 2 stuff.
I will be content to sell elsewhere, because I can make more. People in Yulai would pay for convenience, but they don't have to, because so many people sell stuff there. That's why some of the higher prices on minerals that I've seen are in Yulai. You have manufacturers there that don't want to travel, etc.
I do think that the "brand" name should be more apparent, and it will, but you have to wait for Kali. Enjoy the wait, I'm not holding my breath.
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FZappa
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Posted - 2005.01.29 18:52:00 -
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Its called market economics.
if you want to know who you are buying from , dont use
the market . direct trade .
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