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Kim Jong Lau
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Posted - 2011.02.05 22:40:00 -
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Lets have a look at this CSM term, obviously some CSM will want a free Iceland trip again will want to apply to become CSM again.
Lets have a breakdown on what the CSM have achieved this term, please note "we had a discussion with CCP about XXX" doesnt count because those discussions stop at discussions and nothing really ever changes (unless you count the 5 min forum timer being 2 min).
So minus the micro transaction drama what have the CSM done to help improve the game this term?
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.02.06 11:33:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1422504
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Kim Jong Lau
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Posted - 2011.02.06 13:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
please note "we had a discussion with CCP about XXX" doesnt count because those discussions stop at discussions and nothing really ever changes (unless you count the 5 min forum timer being 2 min).
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Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
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Posted - 2011.02.07 14:21:00 -
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A lot of what has happened over the last year that was instigated by the CSM has been behind the scenes at CCP. The reaction to the '18 months' and 'commit to excellence' issues was such that CCP could not simply ignore them. Not everything the CSM achieves has to have a specific in game purpose but can also affect the thinking and processes inside CCP which we may or may not see.
A sea change occurred at CCP in the time between June and December, which was a result of interaction with the CSM. This may not be a tangible change in game but it signifies a change in attitude and direction. more focus is being given to iteration of older features and bugfixes than before as the CSM made it clear that the existing playerbase would rather have a working game than new shinies every six months.
There is also the matter of the more frequent and in-depth Dev Blogs that have been appearing since June. With a few exceptions these have served to increase the amount of information and communication that we get from CCP and are a direct result of the CSM pushing for this greater transparency.
As for your comment implying that the CSM is nothing but a 'free trip to Iceland', if you'd actually bothered to read up on what the CSM actually do and go over the minutes of not just the summits but their more regular meetings, then you would realise that the CSM works bloody hard on our behalf and provides us a valuable means of interaction with CCP. Each summit is three days packed with meetings and discussion (and sometimes argument) about things that the players want or don't want in EVE. Its not a holiday, by any means, and implying that it is is frankly insulting to the delegates and those that voted for them. I can vouch for the above through first hand experience as I have had the privilege of being able to sit in on a few meetings at the last two main summits (June and December) and the discussions are frank and sometimes heated.
I would agree that there needs to be an easily accessible list of items that have made it into the game through the CSM process, then maybe we can avoid posts like this in the future. The changes brought in for Incursion were meant to be marked up in the patch notes but they haven't been, so obviously CCP needs to work a bit more on their communication. Then again with just a little effort on your part you could go looking for that information yourself as most of it is in the evelopedia, but hey, effort?
TL;DR: just because you can't see the progress that is being made, doesn't mean its not happening.
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Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2011.02.08 13:44:00 -
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Whoever would have thought that a panel made up largely of clueless nobodies would fail to produce anything of value.
Can't wait for the next CSM where the wannabes get kicked out and people from 0.0 who know how EVE works are calling the shots.
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Kim Jong Lau
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shobon Welp
Whoever would have thought that a panel made up largely of clueless nobodies would fail to produce anything of value.
Can't wait for the next CSM where the wannabes get kicked out and people from 0.0 who know how EVE works are calling the shots.
You forget EVE isnt about 0.0 only and you delude yourself in believing having CSM 100% NC will change anything, considering your strategy in game is to make everything safe, I would say having a 100% NC panel is like having a 100% Ankh panel.
Besides Mittani rejects any opinion (even Elvenlord's) that goes against his, I cant wait to hear what he wants changing in 0.0, already he has briefly mentioned that he wants 0.0 to be safer, he wants jump bridges to be buffed and wants to punish NON SOV holding alliances careless of where or what they do.
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Serious Internet Politician
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Posted - 2011.02.09 05:36:00 -
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What microtransaction drahma?
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Havecandy Getinvan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.09 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
Originally by: Shobon Welp
Whoever would have thought that a panel made up largely of clueless nobodies would fail to produce anything of value.
Can't wait for the next CSM where the wannabes get kicked out and people from 0.0 who know how EVE works are calling the shots.
You forget EVE isnt about 0.0 only and you delude yourself in believing having CSM 100% NC will change anything, considering your strategy in game is to make everything safe, I would say having a 100% NC panel is like having a 100% Ankh panel.
Besides Mittani rejects any opinion (even Elvenlord's) that goes against his, I cant wait to hear what he wants changing in 0.0, already he has briefly mentioned that he wants 0.0 to be safer, he wants jump bridges to be buffed and wants to punish NON SOV holding alliances careless of where or what they do.
Man it's like you don't even know how hard you're getting trolled.
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Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2011.02.09 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
You forget EVE isnt about 0.0 only
Yes it is 
(deal with it)
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Kim Jong Lau
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Posted - 2011.02.09 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Havecandy Getinvan
Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
Originally by: Shobon Welp
Whoever would have thought that a panel made up largely of clueless nobodies would fail to produce anything of value.
Can't wait for the next CSM where the wannabes get kicked out and people from 0.0 who know how EVE works are calling the shots.
You forget EVE isnt about 0.0 only and you delude yourself in believing having CSM 100% NC will change anything, considering your strategy in game is to make everything safe, I would say having a 100% NC panel is like having a 100% Ankh panel.
Besides Mittani rejects any opinion (even Elvenlord's) that goes against his, I cant wait to hear what he wants changing in 0.0, already he has briefly mentioned that he wants 0.0 to be safer, he wants jump bridges to be buffed and wants to punish NON SOV holding alliances careless of where or what they do.
Man it's like you don't even know how hard you're getting trolled.
Yes, yes, yes, trolling etc
Someone says something, gets called out and suddenly people say 'troll' to defend him / her, its been happening in Goons for years now.
The funny thing is, when a person mentions someone is getting trolled it always means that they werent trolling in the first place and they are so threatened by what bull**** they came out with their only defence is to mark it as humour.
Goons may as well just criticise people who died in RL again then after getting flamed at go "im trolling" >.> worst damage control ever.
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