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Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.06 09:27:00 - [1] My voice has been heard across the entirety of the known systems, yet you do not know my name. My power has influenced millions, though you do not know my face. The decisions I have made shaped countless lives, for better or for worse, yet you do not know me. Thus is the will of the Amarr Empire. Who am I? Nobody right now. I have been cast aside by the Empire. What I have said before is truth - I was an influential member of Kador's Royal Advisory Committee. The speeches that I wrote, the missives that I penned, the sentences that I commuted, were all handed down by the Royal Family as their own. And yet, here I stand, a 'new' member of the 'capsuleer' caste, due to political backstabbing. Let me tell you, if I EVER find that pimply-faced excuse for a... composes herself and straightens her jacket You have my word. There will be blood. Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana House of Kador
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.06 10:26:00 - [2] If you displayed that sort of attitude when you worked for the Kadors, then it's no surprise that they sacked you. That's assuming that you did actually work for them, of course. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.06 11:56:00 - [3] reject the falsities of the Theology Council and embrace God's Love! yay _________________________________________
Calathea Sata	Posted - 2011.02.06 12:28:00 - [4] I'm scared.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.06 12:57:00 - [5] Free hint: Among capsuleers, you will be hard-pressed to find one in thousand who cares what you claim you achieved before you became one. What you do from now on matters more. Of course, if you want to find those who care, IGS is a good place to try. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.06 14:58:00 - [6] Well, if vengeance against the Amarr Empire is what you seek, there are many Minmatar and Gallente corporations who could most certainly help you with that. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Neu Bastian Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2011.02.06 15:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well, if vengeance against the Amarr Empire is what you seek, there are many Minmatar and Gallente corporations who could most certainly help you with that. you'll have to do a lot more than *** in IGS to get into some of those tho Quote:** Neu Bastian Murientor Tribe
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.02.06 15:14:00 - [8] Just once, I'd like to see someone graduate from pod school, and make their first post stating "Hi, I'm new, I feel great, my family's fine, everything is OK, I don't have to take revenge against anyone!"
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.06 15:43:00 - [9] Edited by: Jesmine Kyriel on 06/02/2011 15:43:42 Originally by: Neu Bastian Edited by: Neu Bastian on 06/02/2011 15:20:57 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well, if vengeance against the Amarr Empire is what you seek, there are many Minmatar and Gallente corporations who could most certainly help you with that. you'll have to do a lot more than ***** in IGS to get into some of those tho I gotta admit, I like angry-at-their-empire amarrians I wonder if you would also like angry-at-their-repubic Minmatar if anyone showed up and claimed that despite allowing them to become capsuleers - an incredible dream that billions would love to aspire to and only a few thousand reach each year, they hate their government for whatever slight they have suffered. I tire of these kinds of proclamations. Miss Amelana, if you were trully exiled from the Empire, do me a favor and explain the chain of events and the accusations used. I can relate to such an act; some are indeed cast our for no legitimate reason, more for petty local politics and other issues, and then there are those who are cast out for a very, very good reason. _________________________ Exile. Reformist. Elder.
Allyson Vannote Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.02.06 16:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Just once, I'd like to see someone graduate from pod school, and make their first post stating "Hi, I'm new, I feel great, my family's fine, everything is OK, I don't have to take revenge against anyone!" Perhaps being a mild psychopath or having a very personal vendetta are part of the selection criteria for a capsuleer license?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.06 16:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Just once, I'd like to see someone graduate from pod school, and make their first post stating "Hi, I'm new, I feel great, my family's fine, everything is OK, I don't have to take revenge against anyone!" Actually, that's what I was like when I first became a capsuleer. It got worse from there. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.06 16:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Edited by: Jesmine Kyriel on 06/02/2011 15:43:42 Originally by: Neu Bastian Edited by: Neu Bastian on 06/02/2011 15:20:57 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well, if vengeance against the Amarr Empire is what you seek, there are many Minmatar and Gallente corporations who could most certainly help you with that. you'll have to do a lot more than ***** in IGS to get into some of those tho I gotta admit, I like angry-at-their-empire amarrians I wonder if you would also like angry-at-their-repubic Minmatar if anyone showed up and claimed that despite allowing them to become capsuleers - an incredible dream that billions would love to aspire to and only a few thousand reach each year, they hate their government for whatever slight they have suffered. I tire of these kinds of proclamations. Miss Amelana, if you were trully exiled from the Empire, do me a favor and explain the chain of events and the accusations used. I can relate to such an act; some are indeed cast our for no legitimate reason, more for petty local politics and other issues, and then there are those who are cast out for a very, very good reason. It is not that I seek vengeance against the entirety of the Amarr Empire, just those who led to my downfall. Though it was the Empire who has banished me. As far as the specific events which brought about my demise - I'm sure that even if you were to pursue the matter, you would find nothing. My name has surely been stricken from the logs, and those few whom I held in close confidence interred in a slave camp off-world. You all doubt my sincerity and the conditions of my newfound exile. To be expected, it is not as if I have not had to prove myself in the past. I shall do so, with an unrivaled passion. I must first, however, secure myself some funds and equipment. Even though it pains me to admit it, I shall be heading for Matari space as soon as my 'training' is complete. To all of you in positions of power - prepare for your downfall, and do it outside of your comfort zone, as it can come unexpectedly and have dire consequences for those caught unawares. Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana House of Kador
lucifers widow United Front Alliance renting corp	Posted - 2011.02.06 17:42:00 - [13] So run along and get whatever you need done, come back and post when you done something about what ever it is you mad about. Sorry but the universe is full of people with a cause who " just need to get some isk together " before starting their liddle crusade, few ever do actually try to do anything apart from make isk because they not quite got enough, but look out soon though because they almost made enough working for agents, very soon yes, they will go beserk and start the assault, it will seem as the worlds collide when they seek their vengeance. Perhaps just a few more missions to make sure they have enough isk..........
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.06 17:45:00 - [14] Originally by: lucifers widow So run along and get whatever you need done, come back and post when you done something about what ever it is you mad about. Sorry but the universe is full of people with a cause who " just need to get some isk together " before starting their liddle crusade, few ever do actually try to do anything apart from make isk because they not quite got enough, but look out soon though because they almost made enough working for agents, very soon yes, they will go beserk and start the assault, it will seem as the worlds collide when they seek their vengeance. Perhaps just a few more missions to make sure they have enough isk.......... Be a good lad and be quiet about matters that do not concern you.
Lucius Vindictus Amarr East Khanid Trading	Posted - 2011.02.06 17:58:00 - [15] I don't know... this all sounds rather strange. In an empire that is not unknown for draconian punishments you were banished into capsuleer status as punishment? They payed for your training, gave you access to clone technology and gave you a legal immunity... out of spite? Do you have any idea how many people would kill for a chance to become what you are? You might want to show some gratitude. Bio Blog
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.06 18:04:00 - [16] I was swept under the carpets, so to speak. And to go from a life of luxury - my every whim catered to, pleasure slaves in my bed at night, to be able to shape the known systems with my mere thought - to one where I must eek out a meager existence based solely on my own skills as a pilot? laughs heartily Not what I would call a dream, by any means. Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana House of Kador
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.06 18:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana It is not that I seek vengeance against the entirety of the Amarr Empire, just those who led to my downfall. Though it was the Empire who has banished me. As far as the specific events which brought about my demise - I'm sure that even if you were to pursue the matter, you would find nothing. My name has surely been stricken from the logs, and those few whom I held in close confidence interred in a slave camp off-world. You all doubt my sincerity and the conditions of my newfound exile. To be expected, it is not as if I have not had to prove myself in the past. I shall do so, with an unrivaled passion. I must first, however, secure myself some funds and equipment. Even though it pains me to admit it, I shall be heading for Matari space as soon as my 'training' is complete. To all of you in positions of power - prepare for your downfall, and do it outside of your comfort zone, as it can come unexpectedly and have dire consequences for those caught unawares. So now you will bring about the downfall of everyone in a position of power, will you? Good luck. Your bound to win when the first thing you do is declare your intent to topple everyone, even as the previous statement was about only seeking revenge on those who wronged you specifically. Well, again good luck. Tell me one thing though, did you also get one of these? She inserts a small video-feed where she leans close to the camera and points on a tattooed mark on her left chin, one of many official brands of Exile used in the Empire. This one's called the ôMark of Shameö. It's in wide use in the Bleak lands. If you were not branded I'd call you lucky. I would even go so far as to say, you are likely better off forgetting the whole revenge-trip, unless friends or family are directly involved, and not held lawfully. Finally, here is a bit of perspective for you, pilot. Right now, you are a capsuleer. Revenge against the Empire notwithstanding, you can go where you want and do what you want. Having your revenge on one person or one small group may be a complete waste of time at this point, unless of course you really, really want your satisfaction. Also, there would be little reason to swear to bring down ôAll of us in positions of powerö - this kind of boasting will only get you enemies you don't want or need. God be with you, Exile. _________________________ Exile. Reformist. Elder.
Logan LaMort	Posted - 2011.02.06 18:25:00 - [18] So you were a behind the scenes big shot for some Amarrian house of whatever... and then you were back stabbed. Why? I mean it sounds like you were some glorified speech writer. I don't know why they didn't just kill you... no offence. Personally, I'd have just kept quiet, invest in a large ship and fly into whatever location your arch nemesis is dwelling in. Might as well reap in the benefits of your new found immortality after all.
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.06 18:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel So now you will bring about the downfall of everyone in a position of power, will you? Good luck. Your bound to win when the first thing you do is declare your intent to topple everyone, even as the previous statement was about only seeking revenge on those who wronged you specifically. Well, again good luck. Tell me one thing though, did you also get one of these? She inserts a small video-feed where she leans close to the camera and points on a tattooed mark on her left chin, one of many official brands of Exile used in the Empire. This one's called the ôMark of Shameö. It's in wide use in the Bleak lands. If you were not branded I'd call you lucky. I would even go so far as to say, you are likely better off forgetting the whole revenge-trip, unless friends or family are directly involved, and not held lawfully. Finally, here is a bit of perspective for you, pilot. Right now, you are a capsuleer. Revenge against the Empire notwithstanding, you can go where you want and do what you want. Having your revenge on one person or one small group may be a complete waste of time at this point, unless of course you really, really want your satisfaction. Also, there would be little reason to swear to bring down ôAll of us in positions of powerö - this kind of boasting will only get you enemies you don't want or need. God be with you, Exile. It was not meant as a declaration, only as a warning. I am not foolish enough to believe that I would be the cause of your downfall, merely that one must prepare for it and the eventuality. The mark of Exile? No, I do not wear it. The few people loyal to me got me off-planet before more drastic measures could be exacted against me. As I said, I am sure they are either dead or slaves by now.
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.06 18:46:00 - [20] Well, at this point you have nothing to be angry about, for your own person. All the luxuries you miss? Easy to re-gain. All it takes is isk. As for your punishment, with no mark you are hardly an Exile at all far as society is concerned; while your not welcome according to the law, you may still walk the stations of the Empire freely. You see, while the Empire can deny you your right to set foot on any Imperial planet, stations are quite different. As Capsuleers, walking around on any station is not something they can deny you, and with no mark you don't even have to endure the glaring from fellow Amarrians while you do. Regarding your companions and their fate; if they are dead, there is not much you can do. Even if you have your revenge they can't be brought back. Those who are slaves, well, you can always purchase those for the isk you will be making from now on faster than you can imagine. _________________________ Exile. Reformist. Elder.
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2011.02.06 18:57:00 - [21] Hmm. Having experienced a similar series of events many years ago, I have some small amount of sympathy. What I do not have is sympathy for the grand public declarations of revenge until one is in a position to make it a reality. If you have been wronged, then work diligently to see yourself avenged, possibly behind the scenes, until you are properly positioned to act upon your enemies. I advise you to then speak from a position of strength....if you have any desire to be taken seriously here amongst your new peers. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Medarr Amarr ZeroSec	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:27:00 - [22] Edited by: Medarr on 06/02/2011 20:35:41 I for one would like to see you stand before the Empress Jamyl Sarum ( may God bless her soul. ) I wonder what will remain of your mind after she is done with it.
Cmdr Baxter Caldari The Synenose Accord	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:46:00 - [23] Between the appearances of AI programs, pilots who were the victims of cloning 'accidents,' and StalinGrad6's crazy scientific experiments, I thought the drama was pretty well-supplied here. Apparently I was mistaken.
Gottii Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.06 21:37:00 - [24] In my clan's warrior lodge, one can only proclaim your deeds once they are done, and once you can bring back a trophy to prove your claim. I would give much for the IGS to follow similar rules.
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.06 21:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Silas Vitalia Hmm. Having experienced a similar series of events many years ago, I have some small amount of sympathy. What I do not have is sympathy for the grand public declarations of revenge until one is in a position to make it a reality. If you have been wronged, then work diligently to see yourself avenged, possibly behind the scenes, until you are properly positioned to act upon your enemies. I advise you to then speak from a position of strength....if you have any desire to be taken seriously here amongst your new peers. Perhaps I was rash in my proclamation. As one who has been in a similar position, surely you can understand the frustration that arises from such a predicament. Occasionally I let my - shall we call it - temper? Get the better of me. This adjustment has left me nearly penniless, and I rage against it. Forgive me my little foibles. Cmdr Baxter - surely even YOU realize that amongst the thousands of systems, that there will be a few people who have, ah - issues? Is it my fault that you seem to attract the undesirables to your side? Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana House of Kador
Katy Moore Amarr J. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2011.02.06 21:55:00 - [26] I don't see why you would go all the way over to Minmatar space to hook up with some of those rebel groups there to enact revenge against elements that you claim to have wronged you. Not when there's good honest Imperial infighters. If House Kador has truly done something that breaches Imperial Law, then I am absolutely confident that someone from say House Ardishapur, or House Kor-Azor would be willing to assist. Amarrian Science at its finest
Medarr Amarr ZeroSec	Posted - 2011.02.07 01:14:00 - [27] Edited by: Medarr on 07/02/2011 01:17:23 Your clone was activated on 2011.01.31 Your standing with the Amarr Empire is currently 0.02 Your standing with the Amatar Mandate is currently 0.02 I highly doubt you were in a position of power to begin with.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.02.07 01:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Medarr Edited by: Medarr on 07/02/2011 01:17:23 Your clone was activated on 2011.01.31 Your standing with the Amarr Empire is currently 0.02 Your standing with the Amatar Mandate is currently 0.02 I highly doubt you were in a position of power to begin with. Wouldn't that support her story? Kicked out of a cushy position, loosing a majority of her standing within the empire? Originally by: Infinity Ziona Your avatar makes me want to follow you to a rural farmstead, give you all my worldly goods and call you The Aiwha.
Boma Airaken White Song Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2011.02.07 03:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Boma Airaken on 07/02/2011 03:57:52 Actions, words, volume. Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Who am I? Nobody right now. Perhaps you should write us a story and post it in the fluid routers fiction network if all you want to do is blow hot air.
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.02.07 04:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Gottii In my clan's warrior lodge, one can only proclaim your deeds once they are done, and once you can bring back a trophy to prove your claim. I would give much for the IGS to follow similar rules. Yes, people should present proof to their claims but... Clan? Warrior lodge? Seems like more Matari tribalist nonsense to me. I consider myself civilized and while I don't care for the Khanid Kingdom's anti Nation stance at least they are not talking about tribal nonsense.
Gottii Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.07 04:51:00 - [31] Edited by: Gottii on 07/02/2011 05:03:55 Edited by: Gottii on 07/02/2011 04:58:05 Edited by: Gottii on 07/02/2011 04:54:18 Originally by: ValentinaDLM Originally by: Gottii In my clan's warrior lodge, one can only proclaim your deeds once they are done, and once you can bring back a trophy to prove your claim. I would give much for the IGS to follow similar rules. Yes, people should present proof to their claims but... Clan? Warrior lodge? Seems like more Matari tribalist nonsense to me. I consider myself civilized and while I don't care for the Khanid Kingdom's anti Nation stance at least they are not talking about tribal nonsense. Didn't I help down your Cyclone last night? Ah yes, it was you. A civilization is viable only so long as those defend it can hold the line against their enemies. Say what you will about our "primitive" ways, but we were more than sophisticated enough to deal with you and yours. If last night was any judge, whatever unholy nightmare you propagate as a society is not long for this world, no matter how "civilized" you consider yourselves.
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.02.07 07:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Gottii A civilization is viable only so long as those defend it can hold the line against their enemies. Exactly what I would expect from one stuck in primitive and uncivilized ways. Violence the measure of a civilizations viability? It seems words truly are wasted on those who are so narrow minded. Your kind could stand to learn something about putting aside your rage and your traditions for the sake of unity.
lucifers widow United Front Alliance renting corp	Posted - 2011.02.07 08:24:00 - [33] Originally by: ValentinaDLM Originally by: Gottii In my clan's warrior lodge, one can only proclaim your deeds once they are done, and once you can bring back a trophy to prove your claim. I would give much for the IGS to follow similar rules. Yes, people should present proof to their claims but... Clan? Warrior lodge? Seems like more Matari tribalist nonsense to me. I consider myself civilized and while I don't care for the Khanid Kingdom's anti Nation stance at least they are not talking about tribal nonsense. Who are you and why you suddenly replying to questions asked in some other fools thread ?
Ssakaa Minmatar Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2011.02.07 09:35:00 - [34] Originally by: ValentinaDLM Exactly what I would expect from one stuck in primitive and uncivilized ways. Any one individual of any of the six tribes can here testify that to be part of a tribe or clan's vibrant traditions and customs, whether these be our thousand styles of dance, the acting professions, cuisine, the profound arts of the shaman, caravan parades, tattoo lore and many, many other performance arts* is to feel, to be alive. Why, sometimes the highs go on for days or weeks, such is our affinity with our peoples' deep roots. There. Now, you're jealous aren't you, Amarr person. And who wouldn't be, living as you do, at the behest of others (actual or imaginary) in the refrigerated, sterile, environment that is your whole waking god-fearing world. * There's a superb holo-reel skit doing the rounds in Gallente and Matar festivals and reviews dealing with Jamyll's 'weight problem' and it has them rolling around the aisles. 'Hedonism University' is the title. Look it up sometime -it's now in it's seventh week at an aggregated number one in the best-sellers list across many constellations. Consider it a naughty treat, as is suggested by the subject matter.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.07 16:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Perhaps I was rash in my proclamation. As one who has been in a similar position, surely you can understand the frustration that arises from such a predicament. Occasionally I let my - shall we call it - temper? Get the better of me. This adjustment has left me nearly penniless, and I rage against it. You are a pilot. If you remain penniless for more than 24 hours, you are doing entirely too much raging and much too little of actual work. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.02.07 18:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Just once, I'd like to see someone graduate from pod school, and make their first post stating "Hi, I'm new, I feel great, my family's fine, everything is OK, I don't have to take revenge against anyone!" I suspect that those of us coming from such a situation tend not to feel any need to announce our arrival.
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.07 18:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon You are a pilot. If you remain penniless for more than 24 hours, you are doing entirely too much raging and much too little of actual work. I am finding it difficult to adjust to this new lifestyle. The agents I have talked to have wanted me to do fairly menial tasks, and I've been balking at taking their items from station to station. I have, however, already received a couple of offers of assistance, and am considering them carefully. Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana House of Kador
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.07 19:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon You are a pilot. If you remain penniless for more than 24 hours, you are doing entirely too much raging and much too little of actual work. I am finding it difficult to adjust to this new lifestyle. The agents I have talked to have wanted me to do fairly menial tasks, and I've been balking at taking their items from station to station. I have, however, already received a couple of offers of assistance, and am considering them carefully. Emphasis mine. Indeed. Elsebeth -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.07 22:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon You are a pilot. If you remain penniless for more than 24 hours, you are doing entirely too much raging and much too little of actual work. I am finding it difficult to adjust to this new lifestyle. The agents I have talked to have wanted me to do fairly menial tasks, and I've been balking at taking their items from station to station. I have, however, already received a couple of offers of assistance, and am considering them carefully. Emphasis mine. Indeed. Elsebeth Tell me then, Elsebeth, just how long it would take you to mourn the loss of YOUR way of life and pick up another? If perchance, you lost your precious ship and was set planetside without the skills required to do much more than find food and shelter? I would wager a damn sight longer than mine shall take. Keep that in mind. Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana House of Kador
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.08 00:45:00 - [40] You really should embrace the Red God's Love. That'll show those Kador Family fools what's what. _________________________________________
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.08 07:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Valerie Valate You really should embrace the Red God's Love. That'll show those Kador Family fools what's what. The heretics? I think not. While I am angry beyond reason at those who orchestrated my demise, I will NOT stoop to those levels. -- Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana Formerly of the House of Kador
Codo Yagari Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Just once, I'd like to see someone graduate from pod school, and make their first post stating "Hi, I'm new, I feel great, my family's fine, everything is OK, I don't have to take revenge against anyone!" Haha, I second that. ___________________ Yulai Guard Forum
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana My voice has been heard across the entirety of the known systems, yet you do not know my name. My power has influenced millions, though you do not know my face. The decisions I have made shaped countless lives, for better or for worse, yet you do not know me. Thus is the will of the Amarr Empire. Who am I? Nobody right now. I have been cast aside by the Empire. What I have said before is truth - I was an influential member of Kador's Royal Advisory Committee. The speeches that I wrote, the missives that I penned, the sentences that I commuted, were all handed down by the Royal Family as their own. And yet, here I stand, a 'new' member of the 'capsuleer' caste, due to political backstabbing. Let me tell you, if I EVER find that pimply-faced excuse for a... composes herself and straightens her jacket You have my word. There will be blood. It grieves me most to see these sorts of things. Why would house Kador employ one of such a faithless disposition? Do you not know Pilot that the God of Amarr is against such selfish endeavors? You ought to think of serving God more than beginning some personal crusade for vengeance. Perhaps you were cast out of house Kador for a reason. Legitimate or not, there may be the possibility of restoration and healing if your heart is one that truly chases after God (as should be of one working so closely within the Holder's councils). Should you wish to explore your faith further, and how you can be restored, I would encourage you to seek out any one of the Amarrian Loyalist Corps, PIE Inc. included. We would be more than happy to pray with you, and teach you the scriptures. "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.08 13:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Originally by: Valerie Valate You really should embrace the Red God's Love. That'll show those Kador Family fools what's what. The heretics? I think not. While I am angry beyond reason at those who orchestrated my demise, I will NOT stoop to those levels. The Theology Council are the heretics. But that's not important right now. You say you are angry, but will "not stoop to those levels". Yet you are going to run off to the Minmatar to seek their help. They're not even False Believers, they believe in their supernatural tattoo thingies, not the Divine Words. I do not see how that makes sense. _________________________________________
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Originally by: Valerie Valate You really should embrace the Red God's Love. That'll show those Kador Family fools what's what. The heretics? I think not. While I am angry beyond reason at those who orchestrated my demise, I will NOT stoop to those levels. Why dont you stop by the 21EL facilities...I can gurrantee your safety there at least and give you a chance to vent a little. Its neutral ground, unless your a Sansha Loyalist of course. Regards, [21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C.
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.08 16:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Valerie Valate Yet you are going to run off to the Minmatar to seek their help. Elaborate, either of you. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.08 17:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Silas Vitalia Originally by: Valerie Valate Yet you are going to run off to the Minmatar to seek their help. Elaborate, either of you. She said: Originally by: Cassandra Amelana I shall be heading for Matari space as soon as my 'training' is complete. _________________________________________
Aryanna Ta'Lone Amarr 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.08 17:44:00 - [48] Edited by: Aryanna Ta''Lone on 08/02/2011 17:44:54 Hmmmm...looks like "someone" became a capsuleer for a little revenge...wrong reason in my opinion, but thats just me.
Xavier Fate Gallente Terminal Manufacturing Systems	Posted - 2011.02.08 17:49:00 - [49] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana To all of you in positions of power - prepare for your downfall, and do it outside of your comfort zone, as it can come unexpectedly and have dire consequences for those caught unawares. I salute your resolutions and believe that you will require some assistance if you really want the chance to get the revenge that you have probably earned the right to. That's why I recommend that you join The Nation and help the incursion.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.08 18:13:00 - [50] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 08/02/2011 18:12:57 Originally by: Syn Callibri Why dont you stop by the 21EL facilities...I can gurrantee your safety there at least and give you a chance to vent a little. Its neutral ground, unless your a Sansha Loyalist of course. Can you confirm ? It sounds interesting.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.08 18:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Lyn Farel Edited by: Lyn Farel on 08/02/2011 18:12:57 Originally by: Syn Callibri Why dont you stop by the 21EL facilities...I can gurrantee your safety there at least and give you a chance to vent a little. Its neutral ground, unless your a Sansha Loyalist of course. Can you confirm ? It sounds interesting. Well, the manager caters to the SYNE/FCORD crowd too, so he kind of insisted that "as long as they ain't frakkin' Sansha Toasters they can drink here." So I guess thats confirmation of a sort I guess. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Ava Starfire Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.08 18:47:00 - [52] Originally by: ValentinaDLM Originally by: Gottii In my clan's warrior lodge, one can only proclaim your deeds once they are done, and once you can bring back a trophy to prove your claim. I would give much for the IGS to follow similar rules. Yes, people should present proof to their claims but... Clan? Warrior lodge? Seems like more Matari tribalist nonsense to me. I consider myself civilized and while I don't care for the Khanid Kingdom's anti Nation stance at least they are not talking about tribal nonsense. Sounds like more Nation nonsense to me, really. Ah, next time, fit all the slots on your ship, hrmm?
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.08 18:49:00 - [53] Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: ValentinaDLM Originally by: Gottii In my clan's warrior lodge, one can only proclaim your deeds once they are done, and once you can bring back a trophy to prove your claim. I would give much for the IGS to follow similar rules. Yes, people should present proof to their claims but... Clan? Warrior lodge? Seems like more Matari tribalist nonsense to me. I consider myself civilized and while I don't care for the Khanid Kingdom's anti Nation stance at least they are not talking about tribal nonsense. Sounds like more Nation nonsense to me, really. Ah, next time, fit all the slots on your ship, hrmm? <bursts into laughter>...Q-F-T! Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.08 18:53:00 - [54] Pilot Amelana, As you are new to capsuleer politics I think a fair bit of warning is due to you: Please take pause and think of potential consequences before making statements of support or solidarity with any groups here, or before you are seen to associate with various individuals of note. It is entirely too common (and I must admit usually amusing) for new pilots to burst onto the scene with bold pronouncements of support for some faction or other, and then to crash and burn horribly as they are summarily war-decced and destroyed by opponents of those factions. These pilots often unprepared for the violence that soon comes their way, and cry and whine to the IGS that they did not expect such reactions. Your words here do have meaning, and you should always work under the assumption that anything you say here can and will be used against you. This is not meant to stifle your decisions, just choose your friends carefully... and make sure you have their support before you start causing problems for yourself that you will be unable to endure on your own. That being said, running off to Matari space and associating with those sorts is a perfect example of something that will quickly get you shot by a good number of groups, but also the support of whatever new 'friends' you make. Your path is your own, but choose it carefully. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Ava Starfire Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.08 18:58:00 - [55] Originally by: Silas Vitalia Pilot Amelana, As you are new to capsuleer politics I think a fair bit of warning is due to you: Please take pause and think of potential consequences before making statements of support or solidarity with any groups here, or before you are seen to associate with various individuals of note. It is entirely too common (and I must admit usually amusing) for new pilots to burst onto the scene with bold pronouncements of support for some faction or other, and then to crash and burn horribly as they are summarily war-decced and destroyed by opponents of those factions. These pilots often unprepared for the violence that soon comes their way, and cry and whine to the IGS that they did not expect such reactions. Your words here do have meaning, and you should always work under the assumption that anything you say here can and will be used against you. This is not meant to stifle your decisions, just choose your friends carefully... and make sure you have their support before you start causing problems for yourself that you will be unable to endure on your own. That being said, running off to Matari space and associating with those sorts is a perfect example of something that will quickly get you shot by a good number of groups, but also the support of whatever new 'friends' you make. Your path is your own, but choose it carefully. Amazingly, I have to admit... Well said.
Medarr Amarr ZeroSec Excuses.	Posted - 2011.02.09 06:23:00 - [56] Edited by: Medarr on 09/02/2011 06:33:11 Originally by: Silas Vitalia Pilot Amelana, As you are new to capsuleer politics I think a fair bit of warning is due to you: Please take pause and think of potential consequences before making statements of support or solidarity with any groups here, or before you are seen to associate with various individuals of note. It is entirely too common (and I must admit usually amusing) for new pilots to burst onto the scene with bold pronouncements of support for some faction or other, and then to crash and burn horribly as they are summarily war-decced and destroyed by opponents of those factions. These pilots often unprepared for the violence that soon comes their way, and cry and whine to the IGS that they did not expect such reactions. Your words here do have meaning, and you should always work under the assumption that anything you say here can and will be used against you. This is not meant to stifle your decisions, just choose your friends carefully... and make sure you have their support before you start causing problems for yourself that you will be unable to endure on your own. That being said, running off to Matari space and associating with those sorts is a perfect example of something that will quickly get you shot by a good number of groups, but also the support of whatever new 'friends' you make. Your path is your own, but choose it carefully. * grins a moment wickedly * I think I should reconsider my opinion regarding Khanids. You speak words of wisdom not often found on the IGS. And to you Amelana I say this, heed the words written by Miss Silas Vitalia very carefully. There are beings out there in the depths of space that are vastly more powerfull then you could have ever imagined. And they are vengefull beings that do not forget transgressions easily.
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.02.09 12:50:00 - [57] But Valerie has a good point..join the Covenant! We have cake.
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.02.09 12:59:00 - [58] Ah, and Gottii. Smack-talking about getting a kill or somesuch doesn't really constitute as a premise or proof, but rather resembles an attempt at ad hominem or blatant red herring. smiles Besides, that little battle was hardly an evenly-matched honor-skirmish, though it was enjoyable as a combat exercise. At any rate. Pilot Amelana, as others have said, I'd recommend laying low and building up your own power as a capsuleer before boldly proclaiming your support for a faction. Even the most minor of factions will have its enemies, which you will inherit by siding with said faction.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.09 15:00:00 - [59] Originally by: Rek Jaiga Pilot Amelana, as others have said, I'd recommend laying low and building up your own power as a capsuleer before boldly proclaiming your support for a faction. Even the most minor of factions will have its enemies, which you will inherit by siding with said faction. Well said I must admit...not bad for a toaster-fanboy Rek. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.09 15:27:00 - [60] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 09/02/2011 15:27:49 First, I hope that if I lost "everything" in such a way that it put me into one of the most powerful, rich, and independent positions in the galaxy, I'd spend more time making the money to build up than whining about why I don't have it. I cannot guarantee I would, but I sure hope so. Second, this might come as a surprising advice from myself, but if your motivation for running into Matari space is to get revenge on Kador for casting you aside, etc etc: please stay where you are. You see, we don't really need Amarrians here who loved serving the big Houses so much that they will betray their kin and leave their country to get even with those who took that wonderful opportunity away. Elsebeth -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.02.09 18:21:00 - [61] Edited by: Rek Jaiga on 09/02/2011 18:20:54 Originally by: Syn Callibri Well said I must admit...not bad for a toaster-fanboy Rek. begs ignorance for amusement's sake I don't understand the toaster analogy that keeps popping up; please explain. I thought convection ovens were superior?
Koronakesh Amarr Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.02.09 18:27:00 - [62] Twit. Hurry up and die.
Ritual Sacrifice	Posted - 2011.02.09 21:14:00 - [63] House Kador killed my family. I was raised by Sani Sabik nuns. So that one day I will have my REVENGE!!!
Gottii Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.09 21:41:00 - [64] Edited by: Gottii on 09/02/2011 21:48:39 Edited by: Gottii on 09/02/2011 21:46:19 Originally by: Rek Jaiga Ah, and Gottii. Smack-talking about getting a kill or somesuch doesn't really constitute as a premise or proof, but rather resembles an attempt at ad hominem or blatant red herring. smiles Besides, that little battle was hardly an evenly-matched honor-skirmish, though it was enjoyable as a combat exercise. At any rate. Pilot Amelana, as others have said, I'd recommend laying low and building up your own power as a capsuleer before boldly proclaiming your support for a faction. Even the most minor of factions will have its enemies, which you will inherit by siding with said faction. I find your definition of "smack" ill-thought out. I find calling one's home "primitive" and "barbaric" to be quite insulting "smack-talk", as would you, I'm sure. If she feels free to call my culture and my clan primitive, in particular my warrior lodge, aren't I within my rights to comment that her military talents, and yours, seemed primitive in comparison just the night before? My point being, no matter how "primitive" you think the ways of our warrior lodge might be, our teachings were more than sufficient to fool you both the night before. What happens in space matters boy, more than what is said here.
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.02.09 22:10:00 - [65] Originally by: Gottii I find your definition of "smack" ill-thought out. I find calling one's home "primitive" and "barbaric" to be quite insulting "smack-talk", as would you, I'm sure. If she feels free to call my culture and my clan primitive, in particular my warrior lodge, aren't I within my rights to comment that her military talents, and yours, seemed primitive in comparison just the night before? My point being, no matter how "primitive" you think the ways of our warrior lodge might be, our teachings were more than sufficient to fool you both the night before. What happens in space matters boy, more than what is said here. Oh my, I think that went totally over your head. Here is a bit of clarification in my opinion your "culture" if one wants to be generous enough to call it that is basically uncivilized, divisive (as separating into clans or tribes to begin with is the antithesis of unity) and full of barbaric violence. Rather than defend what you thought made your "culture" worthwhile you merely attacked my piloting abilities. Which by the way I never claimed were worthy of praise. Not that it matters, my combat record has nothing to do with anything I have said. So basically what I got from that is your "culture" is uncivilized and violent but you think that is fine as you are good at being uncivilized and violent. With that mentality, it is clear that you and your kind are an obstacle to unity and progress.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.09 22:14:00 - [66] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 09/02/2011 22:15:12 Originally by: ValentinaDLM Oh my, I think that went totally over your head. Here is a bit of clarification in my opinion your "culture" if one wants to be generous enough to call it that is basically uncivilized, divisive (as separating into clans or tribes to begin with is the antithesis of unity) and full of barbaric violence. Rather than defend what you thought made your "culture" worthwhile you merely attacked my piloting abilities. Which by the way I never claimed were worthy of praise. Not that it matters, my combat record has nothing to do with anything I have said. So basically what I got from that is your "culture" is uncivilized and violent but you think that is fine as you are good at being uncivilized and violent. With that mentality, it is clear that you and your kind are an obstacle to unity and progress. How is this for a "civilized" opinion of your culture of unity... ...if I a choice between Hell and Nation, I'd live in hell and rent out the space in nation... ...does that work for you? Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.10 13:07:00 - [67] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 09/02/2011 15:27:49 Second, this might come as a surprising advice from myself, but if your motivation for running into Matari space is to get revenge on Kador for casting you aside, etc etc: please stay where you are. You see, we don't really need Amarrians here who loved serving the big Houses so much that they will betray their kin and leave their country to get even with those who took that wonderful opportunity away. Elsebeth Wise words. Though I still think that a lot of more radical minmatar factions would totally rush on that kind of opportunity like scavengers.
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.10 22:19:00 - [68] Pardon my absence from this fascinating discussion - one of my agents thought it would be hilarious to sneak some contraband into one of the so-called 'shipments', and then alerted CONCORD on the other side of the gate. They did not believe me when I told them I had no idea what it was nor how it got there, and I forgot to check the cargo manifest before leaving dock. Suffice it to say that particular agent will NOT be getting any further business from me. -- Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana Formerly of the House of Kador
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.10 23:00:00 - [69] Pilot Amelana, You've had a few days to think about your public information. You have not responded to a few posts in your own thread that are extremely relevant, but rather with an unrelated tidbit and it would appear mocking tone.....I would ask you to answer the following. You may of course choose not to, but we will naturally make our own assumptions if you do not. Are you currently or are you planning on working for any Republic or Federation agents? Are you currently residing in Republic or Federation Space? Do you call for violence against House Kador or its vassals? Please consider my questions carefully. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.11 00:32:00 - [70] Don't tell them anything Amelana...keep them guessing, they hate that. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.11 03:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Syn Callibri Don't tell them anything Amelana...keep them guessing, they hate that. Wrong. No need for guessing. Guilty until proven innocent is generally my motto. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.11 06:17:00 - [72] Everyone condemns my initial outburst, gives me plenty of 'advice' as to what I should do, or should have done, and THEN expects me to tell them exactly what I amgoing to do? Give me one reason as to why I should. I think it best at this juncture to say nothing. Thank you, Miss Callibri, for coming to the same conclusion as I. -- Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana Formerly of the House of Kador
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.11 12:22:00 - [73] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Give me one reason as to why I should They may be able to assist you in defending yourself against the people that are intending to kill you, based on your previous statements. _________________________________________
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.11 14:49:00 - [74] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Everyone condemns my initial outburst, gives me plenty of 'advice' as to what I should do, or should have done, and THEN expects me to tell them exactly what I amgoing to do? Give me one reason as to why I should. I think it best at this juncture to say nothing. Thank you, Miss Callibri, for coming to the same conclusion as I. Not too shabby for a waitress eh? Stop by again sometime for more brandy...I'll save it for you. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.11 15:01:00 - [75] Originally by: Valerie Valate Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Give me one reason as to why I should They may be able to assist you in defending yourself against the people that are intending to kill you, based on your previous statements. They may be able to find me and kill me easier if I should as well. I stand by my previous statement. -- Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana Formerly of the House of Kador
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.11 15:14:00 - [76] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 11/02/2011 15:14:47 Originally by: Silas Vitalia Wrong. No need for guessing. Guilty until proven innocent is generally my motto. Right...doesn't bother you at all,thats why you HAD to comment on it rather than just ignore it like you usually do. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.11 19:27:00 - [77] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Everyone condemns my initial outburst, gives me plenty of 'advice' as to what I should do, or should have done, and THEN expects me to tell them exactly what I amgoing to do? Give me one reason as to why I should. I think it best at this juncture to say nothing. Thank you, Miss Callibri, for coming to the same conclusion as I. You have obviously demonstrated in your own thread that you are quite interested in telling us "exactly what you are doing," (exceedingly boring as it may be), so it's not much of a leap to assume you would continue to do so. That some of us have gifted you, a nobody, with some extremely valuable advice should not be forgotten. This is not done often for people like you. I considered it proper considering your racial background to grant you some of my time. Obviously I am mistaken to think you have the intelligence and grace to make some use of said advice. One last thing before I leave you to whatever life of drudgery you seem to have planned: True servants of the Lord need NEVER fear letting others know their convictions, intentions, or whereabouts, for indeed they have nothing to fear in this life. Nothing you have said gives me the slightest indication that Kador was wrong in kicking you to the curb. I won't respond to you again, so good day, have a nice life, don't let me catch you in any of my space. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.11 20:07:00 - [78] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Originally by: Valerie Valate Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Give me one reason as to why I should They may be able to assist you in defending yourself against the people that are intending to kill you, based on your previous statements. They may be able to find me and kill me easier if I should as well. I stand by my previous statement. Finding and killing you is simple. The people you've made enemies of, which seems to be rather a lot, good job there, they can already find you quite easily. So, why should anyone help you? The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Captain Rhiannon has mentioned this previously. If you are running off to Minmatar space, then you may be shot by Minmatar as well, because while the Minmatar do not like the Kador Family, they do not like Amarrians who want to use them to regain power and status in the Empire either. If such is your intention, then you will be shot by them as well, not because they are interested in helping Empire loyalists hunt traitors, but because eliminating your presence means one less reason for Empire people to be prodding around in Republic space. Declare intent, you may find allies. Remain "mysterious", and you will be shot by all. Although, given your attitude, you may be shot by all anyway. _________________________________________
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.11 20:10:00 - [79] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 11/02/2011 20:10:42 Originally by: Valerie Valate Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Originally by: Valerie Valate Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Give me one reason as to why I should They may be able to assist you in defending yourself against the people that are intending to kill you, based on your previous statements. They may be able to find me and kill me easier if I should as well. I stand by my previous statement. Finding and killing you is simple. The people you've made enemies of, which seems to be rather a lot, good job there, they can already find you quite easily. So, why should anyone help you? The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Captain Rhiannon has mentioned this previously. If you are running off to Minmatar space, then you may be shot by Minmatar as well, because while the Minmatar do not like the Kador Family, they do not like Amarrians who want to use them to regain power and status in the Empire either. If such is your intention, then you will be shot by them as well, not because they are interested in helping Empire loyalists hunt traitors, but because eliminating your presence means one less reason for Empire people to be prodding around in Republic space. Declare intent, you may find allies. Remain "mysterious", and you will be shot by all. Although, given your attitude, you may be shot by all anyway. Shut it Valate...its no longer your concern, the grown ups are talking now. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.02.11 21:11:00 - [80] Originally by: Valerie Valate Declare intent, you may find allies. Remain "mysterious", and you will be shot by all. Although, given your attitude, you may be shot by all anyway. Good advice, capsuleers will gain enemies no matter what. At least if one knows where you stand, there is a chance to gain allies.
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.12 10:43:00 - [81] Originally by: Syn Callibri the grown ups are talking now. And yet here you are. Truly the universe remains full of mystery and wonder. _________________________________________
Avion Saberis Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.13 02:11:00 - [82] Edited by: Avion Saberis on 13/02/2011 02:12:06 Hahaha! What a nice little information you have. Tell me when you might begin your revenge. (His face twist into a nasty grin) I can be of some service when it comes to revenge matter. Hehehe! Though I personally love the fear in their eyes when you tell them a sweet little lie right before you take their little pathetic lives! (laughs insanely quiets down a bit but with a slight grin on his face) Only thing I wonder is, will you actually go for it, your revenge? Well not like it matters too much, I enjoy the thought of it just as much as the actual action of it. (As transmission ends you see his face twist into a insane grin) ~End Transmission~ ------------------------------------------- I like to hide, then when the right moment comes, i go pew, pew, pew, then i go back to hiding, :)
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.13 02:16:00 - [83] Just as I had thought I was slipping off the radar, THIS lunatic comes around and flaps his lips. What ELSE can go wrong? -- Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana Formerly of the House of Kador
Avion Saberis Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.13 02:35:00 - [84] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Just as I had thought I was slipping off the radar, THIS lunatic comes around and flaps his lips. What ELSE can go wrong? Simple, I'm still here! Hahaha! When I take intreast in something, i usually keep it at the top of my list to keep looking upon. (Smiles evily) Still calling me a lunatic is quite rude. I just have you know, I'm quite sane! Five different doctors say so themself! Course I wouldn't try getting them for a second opinion, sense they had a misfortune accident befall upon them afterwards. (Laughs insanely) Think of me as a potenial ally. ~End Transmission~ ------------------------------------------- I like to hide, then when the right moment comes, i go pew, pew, pew, then i go back to hiding, :)
Takrow Matoris Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.13 02:42:00 - [85] Ah man, that blows. I feel for ya man, truly. Though I don't think i can help ya much sense i've pretty much just started out too, that and theirs these strange robe guys that chase me all over the place, annoying as hell. I wonder since your a amarr, do ya know what the hell they want? Plus their weird chants put off a bad vibe, ya know. Racing to the end, only to get splattered at the end is soo uncool.
Jennesa Asino Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.02.13 14:59:00 - [86] You lost your position because you did not deserve it anymore, Cassandra. You were unfit, and you forgot how dangerous the political webs can be. When I finished destroying your image and credibility, I had hoped you would do the right thing and redeem some measure of your honour by taking my suggestion of suicide. Or at the very least, you could have gone into a quiet exile. Instead you've come up here, made a scene and disgraced your family. You should have taken my advice, dear. You'll not succeed in any of your endeavours up here, nor will I hesitate to kill you myself when I see you.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.13 17:16:00 - [87] Originally by: Jennesa Asino You lost your position because you did not deserve it anymore, Cassandra. You were unfit, and you forgot how dangerous the political webs can be. When I finished destroying your image and credibility, I had hoped you would do the right thing and redeem some measure of your honour by taking my suggestion of suicide. Or at the very least, you could have gone into a quiet exile. Instead you've come up here, made a scene and disgraced your family. You should have taken my advice, dear. You'll not succeed in any of your endeavours up here, nor will I hesitate to kill you myself when I see you. Hmmmm...an Amarrian suggestion suicide? Even I know thats not a scripture derived comment...as a matter of fact, it soundes like a confession of heritical anti-theological thoughts. <bursts into laughter> Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.13 19:02:00 - [88] Edited by: Cassandra Amelana on 13/02/2011 19:15:19 Originally by: Jennesa Asino You lost your position because you did not deserve it anymore, Cassandra. You were unfit, and you forgot how dangerous the political webs can be. When I finished destroying your image and credibility, I had hoped you would do the right thing and redeem some measure of your honour by taking my suggestion of suicide. Or at the very least, you could have gone into a quiet exile. Instead you've come up here, made a scene and disgraced your family. You should have taken my advice, dear. You'll not succeed in any of your endeavours up here, nor will I hesitate to kill you myself when I see you. Jennesa. Why you scheming little backstabbing ****. I knew I should have trusted my instincts about you. If it was not for you, I would not be in the posit... Are you seriously a Capsuleer? After all of that, the maneuvering, setting me up, watching me fall, you leave it behind and become a CAPSULEER?!? -- Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana* Formerly of the House of Kador
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.13 19:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Syn Callibri Originally by: Jennesa Asino You lost your position because you did not deserve it anymore, Cassandra. You were unfit, and you forgot how dangerous the political webs can be. When I finished destroying your image and credibility, I had hoped you would do the right thing and redeem some measure of your honour by taking my suggestion of suicide. Or at the very least, you could have gone into a quiet exile. Instead you've come up here, made a scene and disgraced your family. You should have taken my advice, dear. You'll not succeed in any of your endeavours up here, nor will I hesitate to kill you myself when I see you. Hmmmm...an Amarrian suggestion suicide? Even I know thats not a scripture derived comment...as a matter of fact, it soundes like a confession of heritical anti-theological thoughts. <bursts into laughter> Why so ?
Kahar Dex Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.15 05:40:00 - [90] Originally by: Lyn Farel Originally by: Syn Callibri Originally by: Jennesa Asino You lost your position because you did not deserve it anymore, Cassandra. You were unfit, and you forgot how dangerous the political webs can be. When I finished destroying your image and credibility, I had hoped you would do the right thing and redeem some measure of your honour by taking my suggestion of suicide. Or at the very least, you could have gone into a quiet exile. Instead you've come up here, made a scene and disgraced your family. You should have taken my advice, dear. You'll not succeed in any of your endeavours up here, nor will I hesitate to kill you myself when I see you. Hmmmm...an Amarrian suggestion suicide? Even I know thats not a scripture derived comment...as a matter of fact, it soundes like a confession of heritical anti-theological thoughts. <bursts into laughter> Why so ? Read the scriptures yourself dear sister. They do not condone such action, nor is it within our traditions to make such a suggestion. Part of the reason some slavers humanely employ the use of Vitoc is to prevent slaves from committing harm to themselves or others. Lord Merdaneth can tell you as much. This Janessa is clearly not in line with the Amarrian faith. But I have my doubts as to whether Ms. Amelana is a sincere believer or not also. I've not observed the grace or restraint in her that is typical of Amarr/Khanid/Ni-Khunni women.
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.15 05:46:00 - [91] Edited by: Rytha Main on 15/02/2011 05:45:58 Originally by: Kahar Dex Read the scriptures yourself dear sister. They do not condone such action, nor is it within our traditions to make such a suggestion. Part of the reason some slavers humanely employ the use of Vitoc is to prevent slaves from committing harm to themselves or others. Lord Merdaneth can tell you as much. This Janessa is clearly not in line with the Amarrian faith. But I have my doubts as to whether Ms. Amelana is a sincere believer or not also. I've not observed the grace or restraint in her that is typical of Amarr/Khanid/Ni-Khunni women. I've to agree with Curator Dex. I've known other Amarrian women who have fallen with grace, and have yet remained true to their faith and not immediately "gone out for blood". To avenge is to seek retribution for some un-justice and is of Amarr. But to seek revenge for personal slights, is very heathen-like. Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.15 12:37:00 - [92] I would be interested to see a graph of these events, detailing the amount of revenge sought and the amount actually obtained over the duration of this revenge campaign. _________________________________________
Jennesa Asino Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:02:00 - [93] Originally by: Kahar Dex Read the scriptures yourself dear sister. They do not condone such action, nor is it within our traditions to make such a suggestion. This Janessa is clearly not in line with the Amarrian faith. But I have my doubts as to whether Ms. Amelana is a sincere believer or not also. I've not observed the grace or restraint in her that is typical of Amarr/Khanid/Ni-Khunni women. Suicide has long been a respected tradition of the dishonoured and disenfranchised who wish to contain their failure within their own person and prevent it from tainting their family and line. There is far more to Scripture than the speck you give here, and you are no-one to state categorically what Scripture says, nor are you anyone to tell me if I am "in line" with Faith.
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:40:00 - [94] Originally by: Jennesa Asino Originally by: Kahar Dex Read the scriptures yourself dear sister. They do not condone such action, nor is it within our traditions to make such a suggestion. This Janessa is clearly not in line with the Amarrian faith. But I have my doubts as to whether Ms. Amelana is a sincere believer or not also. I've not observed the grace or restraint in her that is typical of Amarr/Khanid/Ni-Khunni women. Suicide has long been a respected tradition of the dishonoured and disenfranchised who wish to contain their failure within their own person and prevent it from tainting their family and line. There is far more to Scripture than the speck you give here, and you are no-one to state categorically what Scripture says, nor are you anyone to tell me if I am "in line" with Faith. ooo, a disagreement! is this when someone says their honour is impugned and challenges the other to spaceship combat? I want to see if these Cassandra and Jennesa people will stand up for their principles if called out like that. Or maybe they're all talk. Battle Impairors! yaay! _________________________________________
Kahar Dex Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:54:00 - [95] Originally by: Jennesa Asino Originally by: Kahar Dex Read the scriptures yourself dear sister. They do not condone such action, nor is it within our traditions to make such a suggestion. This Janessa is clearly not in line with the Amarrian faith. But I have my doubts as to whether Ms. Amelana is a sincere believer or not also. I've not observed the grace or restraint in her that is typical of Amarr/Khanid/Ni-Khunni women. Suicide has long been a respected tradition of the dishonoured and disenfranchised who wish to contain their failure within their own person and prevent it from tainting their family and line. There is far more to Scripture than the speck you give here, and you are no-one to state categorically what Scripture says, nor are you anyone to tell me if I am "in line" with Faith. Since you are only 10 days out of the Academy (I've checked your employment records), I would suggest you give yourself pause before making any character judgements on anyone here. And no, Suicide is not a long respected tradition of the dishonoured and disenfranchisd, at least not anywhere within the Empire, Kingdom, or Mandate. Unless your idea of "common knowlegde" is limited to a small group of heretics. Only the royal heirs who do not pass the rites of succession are to commit ritual suicide, none else. For you to ask who I am show's how ignorant you are, for anyone loyal to the kingdom if not hearing of it's individuals, would at least recognize a member of the Curatores Veritatis Alliance. You are no sister in the faith, of this I have confidence. As an Amarrian loyalist, I would actually be more inclined to side with Ms. Amelana than with you, a person who spouts unorthodoxy and tries to pass it off as tradition. Normally we say this about minmatars, but I suppose this applies to you as well: it is better to be thought a stupid buffoon, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Know your scriptures and your culture before presuming to speak of it. There are plenty of references for you to familiarize yourself with our background.
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:57:00 - [96] Edited by: Rytha Main on 15/02/2011 16:58:43 Originally by: Jennesa Asino Originally by: Kahar Dex Read the scriptures yourself dear sister. They do not condone such action, nor is it within our traditions to make such a suggestion. This Janessa is clearly not in line with the Amarrian faith. But I have my doubts as to whether Ms. Amelana is a sincere believer or not also. I've not observed the grace or restraint in her that is typical of Amarr/Khanid/Ni-Khunni women. Suicide has long been a respected tradition of the dishonoured and disenfranchised who wish to contain their failure within their own person and prevent it from tainting their family and line. There is far more to Scripture than the speck you give here, and you are no-one to state categorically what Scripture says, nor are you anyone to tell me if I am "in line" with Faith. Wow, heresy indeed. Someone ought to bring a speaker of truth in here to deal with this cultist. Originally by: Valerie Valate ooo, a disagreement! is this when someone says their honour is impugned and challenges the other to spaceship combat? I want to see if these Cassandra and Jennesa people will stand up for their principles if called out like that. Or maybe they're all talk. Battle Impairors! yaay! It seems that Ms. Asino is nothing more than a misinformed gossip, and not much more than that to be bothered with. Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.15 18:04:00 - [97] Finally, some reason. I admit I was rash. I admit I was, perhaps, acting outside of the precepts of my faith in a moment of weakness. Neither of those admissions make what happened any less true. You do not have to believe me, I know what happened that day. Jennesa knows as well, though her perception of the 'truth' may be colored by her so-called victory. History is written by the victors. My name, my deeds, my very family has been erased due to my failure. Due to *Jennesa. -- Royal Advisor Cassandra Amelana* Formerly of the House of Kador
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.15 18:16:00 - [98] Originally by: Kahar Dex Originally by: Lyn Farel Originally by: Syn Callibri Originally by: Jennesa Asino You lost your position because you did not deserve it anymore, Cassandra. You were unfit, and you forgot how dangerous the political webs can be. When I finished destroying your image and credibility, I had hoped you would do the right thing and redeem some measure of your honour by taking my suggestion of suicide. Or at the very least, you could have gone into a quiet exile. Instead you've come up here, made a scene and disgraced your family. You should have taken my advice, dear. You'll not succeed in any of your endeavours up here, nor will I hesitate to kill you myself when I see you. Hmmmm...an Amarrian suggestion suicide? Even I know thats not a scripture derived comment...as a matter of fact, it soundes like a confession of heritical anti-theological thoughts. <bursts into laughter> Why so ? Read the scriptures yourself dear sister. They do not condone such action, nor is it within our traditions to make such a suggestion. Part of the reason some slavers humanely employ the use of Vitoc is to prevent slaves from committing harm to themselves or others. Lord Merdaneth can tell you as much. I know the Scriptures very well, thank you. Can you quote me a passage of the Scriptures clearly telling suicide is not to be tolerated by the amarrian faith ? Of course I might have missed something somewhere, even if I find it quite unprobable. After all, we are all unperfect creatures of God, and that could explain such a miss of my part.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:17:00 - [99] Civilized Amarrians do not desire revenge, they desire justice. Revenge is about satisfying your personal feelings, justice is about getting what you deserve. Justice is not about letting your personal feelings take precedence above the rule of law. You seem to suffer from hubris. You seem to think that just because you had power and influence you never deserve to suffer setbacks or hardships. Once you stand before God to be judged it does not matter how powerful you were or how many lives you influenced, it matters how you wielded that power and influence. What if your former chambermaid stood up and shouted: 'but I made up ms. Amelana's bed each day, I took care of her food, I made sure she had clean clothes to wear, and I complimented her on her good looks every day! Without me she could never have penned all those speeches, but now I have been cast aside! I seek revenge!' You have received the blessing of being humbled. How you go handle this humiliation will be the true hallmark of your morality. It is easy to be gallant and gracious when you are a winner, but the men and women of real character are good losers too. Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God - The Scriptures, Book of Missions Verses 42:5 ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Ava Starfire Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.02.15 21:19:00 - [100] Why do these posts constantly get defiled by "scriptural" nonsense? Wait, I have a book here, written by "God" that says all Amarrians must immediately board a convenient transport and fly directly into the star of their choosing. Do it. God says so, it must be true! /me sighs...
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2011.02.15 21:45:00 - [101] Originally by: Ava Starfire Why do these posts constantly get defiled by "scriptural" nonsense? I do my best to addressing people using their own frame of reference. Or in the parlance of an uncouth Matari heathen: I try to use words the people I speak to can understand. In this case I am talking to a well-educated Amarr member. Someone who has likely included scripture in many of her written speeches. I am merely reminding her of to take another look at these words now that she can finally really understand what was meant by them. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:20:00 - [102] Edited by: Rytha Main on 16/02/2011 06:31:31 Originally by: Lyn Farel I know the Scriptures very well, thank you. Can you quote me a passage of the Scriptures clearly telling suicide is not to be tolerated by the amarrian faith ? Of course I might have missed something somewhere, even if I find it quite unprobable. After all, we are all unperfect creatures of God, and that could explain such a miss of my part. Certainly sister, I would be more than delighted to go through a theological discourse with you. I was trained at the Theology council, and am currently taking module courses through Archbishop. Firstly, we must ask the question... to whom does your life belong to? Is it yours to do with it as you please, or is it under the jurisdiction of another? Let's see what the scriptures say: "In the beginning all things were as one. God parted them and breathed life into his creation Divided the parts and gave each its place And unto each, bestowed purpose" - The Scriptures, Book I 1:4 Emphasis mine. So you can see, that the life you have been given is solely a gift imparted to you by God himself. It is not up to individuals when to terminate their own lives. This jurisdiction is only given to God and to those who have charge over his flock. We've established that the very breath that each is given is not his own. What then should we be doing with this life that we've been given? "The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being. Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old. world and created a new one. The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man..." - The Scriptures, Book I 1:14a Emphasis mine. Here you can see that God did not merely create man, and left us to our whims. Nay, we have a purpose. Amarr was given the command to cultivate the spirit of man. How can one do this, if the very lives we are given by God we freely extinguish by our own will? Someone may argue, well perhaps a situation would arise in which furthering God's kingdom could be accomplished by committing suicide. That's pure poppy***, for it is stated clearly that Amarr is to be both a shepherd to the people, and to live the destiny of faith. "I give to you the destiny of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13 "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy..." The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45a Lyn, I am rather astonished that you would say that you know the scriptures well, and yet you can not logically refute the absurd statement that "suicide" is part of common Amarrian tradition. The only suicide sanctioned by the Amarr society is that which is deemed necessary for the royal heirs who do not pass the rite of succession and for Royal Navy Commanders going into battle to protect the Empire. I hope this brings you greater understanding dear Sister. Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.*
Kahar Dex Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:30:00 - [103] Originally by: Merdaneth Civilized Amarrians do not desire revenge, they desire justice. Revenge is about satisfying your personal feelings, justice is about getting what you deserve. Justice is not about letting your personal feelings take precedence above the rule of law. You seem to suffer from hubris. You seem to think that just because you had power and influence you never deserve to suffer setbacks or hardships. Once you stand before God to be judged it does not matter how powerful you were or how many lives you influenced, it matters how you wielded that power and influence. What if your former chambermaid stood up and shouted: 'but I made up ms. Amelana's bed each day, I took care of her food, I made sure she had clean clothes to wear, and I complimented her on her good looks every day! Without me she could never have penned all those speeches, but now I have been cast aside! I seek revenge!' You have received the blessing of being humbled. How you go handle this humiliation will be the true hallmark of your morality. It is easy to be gallant and gracious when you are a winner, but the men and women of real character are good losers too. Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God - The Scriptures, Book of Missions Verses 42:5 A very well put elucidation on the matter Lord Merdaneth. My compliments. It would seem that the original author may be close to coming to grips with an appreciation of her heritage, and that perhaps the whims of an individual are to blame (Ms. Asino) and not the Empire as a whole. Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Finally, some reason. I admit I was rash. I admit I was, perhaps, acting outside of the precepts of my faith in a moment of weakness. Neither of those admissions make what happened any less true. You do not have to believe me, I know what happened that day. Jennesa knows as well, though her perception of the 'truth' may be colored by her so-called victory. History is written by the victors. My name, my deeds, my very family has been erased due to my failure. Due to *Jennesa. You would do well to heed Lord Merdaneth's words. Judging from Ms. Asino's outlandish remakrs, it would seem like she would more likely belong with the Sani Sabik (God save her) as opposed to possessing a true and sincere faith in the God of Amarr. Rushing to the matari rebels will not satiate your deepest desires for peace, purpose, and enlightenment. There you will only find cold hatred which will fuel your selfish need for revenge, and your life will therefore become absorbed with bitterness and regret. Learn to let go of these negative feelings, and act as a true Amarr woman. One who would live life as through "grace under pressure". Ms. Asino can become preoccupied by her desires to foment destruction among her fellow sisters, but she is no true Amarr, for it is written: "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."* - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 If Ms. Asino seeks the destruction of a fellow Amarr, then she is no Amarr. She is an outcast and to be treated as a heathen. God will judge her soul on the day of judgement. Take care of your soul, that it would be free of blemish when that day cometh and you stand before the throne of God.
Jennesa Asino Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:36:00 - [104] Originally by: Kahar Dex Since you are only 10 days out of the Academy Records are deceptive things. Quote: For you to ask who I am I neither asked then nor care now. Quote: You are no sister in the faith And you have neither authority nor power to exercise that statement. That is the last of my time you are worth for the foreseeable future.
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:38:00 - [105] Originally by: Kahar Dex Ms. Asino can become preoccupied by her desires to foment destruction among her fellow sisters, but she is no true Amarr, for it is written: "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 If Ms. Asino seeks the destruction of a fellow Amarr, then she is no Amarr. She is an outcast and to be treated as a heathen. God will judge her soul on the day of judgement. Take care of your soul, that it would be free of blemish when that day cometh and you stand before the throne of God. QFT. Amen Curator Dex. Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:45:00 - [106] Edited by: Rytha Main on 16/02/2011 06:45:48 Originally by: Jennesa Asino And you have neither authority nor power to exercise that statement. He has every right to call you out and exercise judgement upon you. Scripture says that we are all accountable to one another. "The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being. Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old. world and created a new one. The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil. Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority." - The Scriptures, Book I 1:14 Amarrians are to live life with justice and grace. And the fact that you would go out of your way to seek the destruction of a fellow Amarr simply goes to show that you are an enemy of the Empire. You are in direct contradiction to the scripture which states that all Amarr are to stand in solidarity with one another. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Koronakesh Amarr Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:47:00 - [107] Originally by: Koronakesh Twit. Hurry up and die. On second thought, I'm just going to extend this to all of you. Though you could probably guess that anyway.
Daemeon Fyral Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2011.02.16 11:21:00 - [108] Regardless of the reactions of alot of other pilots here I for one would like to say, welcome to the rest of your life Miss Cassandra. although there is some truth in what many of the others have said in that what you may or may not have done before joining our ranks will matter little. I have seen saints turned into bloodthirsty killers and murderous crash addicts turn into honorable warriors. All you NEED to do is decide where you go from here. at the risk of sounding somewhat stereotypical, the universe is yours too explore, do with it what you will. Oh, and if you do happen to find yourself down in Matari space I'm sure you will find many people willing too help you achieve your goals.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:18:00 - [109] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 16/02/2011 14:20:56 Originally by: Rytha Main Theological discourse (cut because of IGS limitations) Thank you for your time. Unfortunately, no, it does not bring me greater understanding on the suicide doctrine of the Theology Council. I have to strongly disagree with your interpretation of the Scriptures themselves : you seem to read what you want to read instead of meticulously analysing the very words of the text, what is a common mistake done in the traditionnal amarrian education. "God parted them and breathed life into his creation" Litteraly, this explains the fact that God created life and made it breath into his creation (the universe, the whole unity of things, even if it is not stated directly here). On that, we agree. But it is said nowhere we owe him back this life. We have to be grateful, respectful of that : even if it is not written down directly in the Scriptures, it is common sense and basic morality to be grateful. If you claim this to be a gift (even if again, it is not clearly written in the text), then you will have to agree on the fact that a gift is not a loan, and that the gift in itself now belongs to the gifted individual, and not anymore to the life giver. All we owe is respect for the Creation. That said, everyone can now interpret it in his own way and see what they want to see in it : you can see a ban of suicide, I see myself respect to be given back. Some might even see nothing in it besides the fact they were gifted life by someone or something. In conclusion, indeed, I refute that suicide is part of common amarrian traditions, because it is not. Not yet, I suppose, if the Empire does not evolve and takes time again to read the Scriptures as the piece of paper and ink they are, without anything else in mind, and especially not the whole centuries of traditions. Now, don't think I am fond of suicide : like I said above, it is all about respect, self respect, and ethics.
Valerie Valate Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:11:00 - [110] Originally by: Jennesa Asino Originally by: Kahar Dex Since you are only 10 days out of the Academy Records are deceptive things. What you are or were before being a capsuleer is irrelevant. You are now a novice pilot. If you don't do anything to back up your words in space, then your words are meaningless scrawls. _________________________________________
Kahar Dex Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:02:00 - [111] Edited by: Kahar Dex on 16/02/2011 17:03:05 Edited by: Kahar Dex on 16/02/2011 17:02:17 Originally by: Lyn Farel you seem to read what you want to read instead of meticulously analysing the very words of the text, what is a common mistake done in the traditionnal amarrian education. The same could be said of theological liberals like yourself. Unfortunately however, it would seem that anyone guilty of eisegesis is you, not Guardian Main. Originally by: Lyn Farel But it is said nowhere we owe him back this life. I have a sneaking suspicion that you like to pick and chose for the sake of arguing, for had you taken in the whole of her account, you would have recognized that she gave scriptures contrary to your claim. The Amarr are God's chosen people. They have also been given a mandate. So yes, this life he has imparted to us, we do owe back to him to fulfill the charge He has given us, as Guardian Main explained. "The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man..." - The Scriptures, Book I 1:14c "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith..." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45a I was a bit disappointed to see how you treated Guardian Main's extensive theological discourse. She took the time to give proper exegesis of the scriptures, but you ignored some of her points and insulted her by giving hasty generalizations of theological conservatives. Poor move Ms. Farel.
Kahar Dex Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:06:00 - [112] Edited by: Kahar Dex on 16/02/2011 17:06:52 Originally by: Valerie Valate Originally by: Jennesa Asino Originally by: Kahar Dex Since you are only 10 days out of the Academy Records are deceptive things. What you are or were before being a capsuleer is irrelevant. You are now a novice pilot. If you don't do anything to back up your words in space, then your words are meaningless scrawls. and Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Free hint: Among capsuleers, you will be hard-pressed to find one in thousand who cares what you claim you achieved before you became one. What you do from now on matters more. Of course, if you want to find those who care, IGS is a good place to try. QFT
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.17 11:51:00 - [113] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 17/02/2011 11:52:35 Originally by: Kahar Dex Edited by: Kahar Dex on 16/02/2011 17:03:05 Edited by: Kahar Dex on 16/02/2011 17:02:17 Originally by: Lyn Farel you seem to read what you want to read instead of meticulously analysing the very words of the text, what is a common mistake done in the traditionnal amarrian education. The same could be said of theological liberals like yourself. Unfortunately however, it would seem that anyone guilty of eisegesis is you, not Guardian Main. Originally by: Lyn Farel But it is said nowhere we owe him back this life. I have a sneaking suspicion that you like to pick and chose for the sake of arguing, for had you taken in the whole of her account, you would have recognized that she gave scriptures contrary to your claim. The Amarr are God's chosen people. They have also been given a mandate. So yes, this life he has imparted to us, we do owe back to him to fulfill the charge He has given us, as Guardian Main explained. "The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man..." - The Scriptures, Book I 1:14c "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith..." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45a I was a bit disappointed to see how you treated Guardian Main's extensive theological discourse. She took the time to give proper exegesis of the scriptures, but you ignored some of her points and insulted her by giving hasty generalizations of theological conservatives. Poor move Ms. Farel. No, actually, the same can't be said of theological liberals like myself. If you read me properly I have not taken for an absolute truth what was not directly written in the Scriptures, unlike both of you. I can only speculate about the respect we owe to the Creation, the same way you can only speculate about our lives that are still owned by God. Actually some might even say it is wrong because I just have to suicide myself to demonstrate the contrary, which shows the free will and trust he may have placed into us. This is pure interpretation, as I said above. But in the Scriptures, you still are unable to quote me a single line forbiding suicide. You have to understand that quoting Scriptures only makes you a mere sheep - at the opposite of the shepherds amarrian are meant to be in the Scriptures - that does not think by himself if you are not able to properly analyse and take these texts for what they are. I see your two last quotes of the Scriptures and still fail to see any link to what we are discussing. The first one mentions one of the goals of the Empire which seeks to cultivate the spirit of man : nothing to do with suicide. The second one speaks about Reclaiming, not suicide. Now if you can forgive my words, I did not mean to be that harsh, but denying the opposite point of view without any logical argument to your side is what we usually call blinded fanatism. Maybe I insulted Ms Main in a way I still do not see (I tried to stay respectful), and then, my apologies, but you are clearly insulting me yourself with this last answer.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:05:00 - [114] Since we have moved on to talking about suicide within the Amarr religion: We all know the tale of Zakara and Garum from the Scriptures. In this tale Zakara deliberately puts himself in a position he would likely not survive. He does so in order to save his brother from harm. As you might realize, deliberately putting yourself in a position you will likely not survive (and could have avoided) is equivalent to suicide. But Zakara's act is thought of as noble and good. Why? Because suicide to end your own troubles, safe face or to take a shortcut to eternal reward in the afterlife is the epitome of selfishness. Selfish acts are sinful. Suicide to defend the life of your brother, the lives of your children, the lives of your fellow warriors, the honor of your family or your faith is the epitome of unselfishness. Hence it is highly regarded. Suicide is an instrumental act. Evaluate the intention of those willingly giving up their lives and judge accordingly. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:08:00 - [115] Originally by: Merdaneth Since we have moved on to talking about suicide within the Amarr religion: We all know the tale of Zakara and Garum from the Scriptures. In this tale Zakara deliberately puts himself in a position he would likely not survive. He does so in order to save his brother from harm. As you might realize, deliberately putting yourself in a position you will likely not survive (and could have avoided) is equivalent to suicide. But Zakara's act is thought of as noble and good. Why? Because suicide to end your own troubles, safe face or to take a shortcut to eternal reward in the afterlife is the epitome of selfishness. Selfish acts are sinful. Suicide to defend the life of your brother, the lives of your children, the lives of your fellow warriors, the honor of your family or your faith is the epitome of unselfishness. Hence it is highly regarded. Suicide is an instrumental act. Evaluate the intention of those willingly giving up their lives and judge accordingly. You're confusing suicide with sacrifice Merdaneth, two completely different creatures. Tac-Ops Commander / ISC [21EL]
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:23:00 - [116] Sacrifice is a form of suicide, nothing more, Calibri. Originally by: Merdaneth Since we have moved on to talking about suicide within the Amarr religion: We all know the tale of Zakara and Garum from the Scriptures. In this tale Zakara deliberately puts himself in a position he would likely not survive. He does so in order to save his brother from harm. As you might realize, deliberately putting yourself in a position you will likely not survive (and could have avoided) is equivalent to suicide. But Zakara's act is thought of as noble and good. Why? Because suicide to end your own troubles, safe face or to take a shortcut to eternal reward in the afterlife is the epitome of selfishness. Selfish acts are sinful. Suicide to defend the life of your brother, the lives of your children, the lives of your fellow warriors, the honor of your family or your faith is the epitome of unselfishness. Hence it is highly regarded. Suicide is an instrumental act. Evaluate the intention of those willingly giving up their lives and judge accordingly. Then we agree completely.
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.19 03:49:00 - [117] Originally by: Lyn Farel Sacrifice is a form of suicide, nothing more, Calibri. I believe this boils down to semantics Ms. Farel. For my arguments from scripture were based on logical deduction in that they do not condone the selfish act of suicide, as Lord Merdaneth describes. The differentiation that Ms Calibri points out is indeed helpful to this conversation, because reasonably, I would not have been arguing against the noble act of self sacrifice. While there is no scripture that plainly denounces suicide in an of itself, you should follow your own argument that we are indeed free thinking creatures. With this in mind, we are able to pull various texts together (as I have done) to construct a logical argument for or against something. For example, there is no scripture that plainly states that God has the attribute of goodness. However, by pulling together several texts from scripture, we are able to deduce this logically. I therefore feel it is slightly unfair of you to accuse theological conservatives of reading meaning into the text, where we clearly make a concerted effort to draw meaning out of it. So in the end it appears that we agree on this topic in its entirety. Wisdom comes from listening to understand, and not listening to argue back. It is fruitless. Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Sylorin Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC	Posted - 2011.02.19 06:55:00 - [118] Sorry, folks. I'm not up on all the nuances of Amarr culture. When a new emperor or empress comes into power, don't the other heirs have to commit ritual suicide? Or is this seen as a kind of sacrifice? *The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of MMZ Labs, LLC
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:14:00 - [119] Yes, but logical deduction works for mathematics and hard sciences (1+1=2 is a logical deduction), but not so well for thoughts put into words, as we are all experiencing the reality differently, and language is by definition an unperfect media erasing a lot of the intentionnal meaning behind a text. Thus you are subject to personnal interpretation, depending on your whole own cultural background. Originally by: Sylorin Sorry, folks. I'm not up on all the nuances of Amarr culture. When a new emperor or empress comes into power, don't the other heirs have to commit ritual suicide? Or is this seen as a kind of sacrifice? They do. I do not know if that is seen as a kind of sacrifice, but it definitly takes it roots in the practical will to eliminate all the other not chosen heirs that could happen to overthrow the new Emperor. As lord Merdaneth said above, amarrian forms of suicide embraces a lot of different situation. Maybe you can still consider it like a sacrifice for the Empire stability.
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.25 21:14:00 - [120] Originally by: Lyn Farel Yes, but logical deduction works for mathematics and hard sciences (1+1=2 is a logical deduction), but not so well for thoughts put into words, as we are all experiencing the reality differently, and language is by definition an unperfect media erasing a lot of the intentionnal meaning behind a text. Thus you are subject to personnal interpretation, depending on your whole own cultural background. This is why such a thing as "Orthodoxy" exists. Contrary to what the Gallenteans may believe, Scriptural and Theological Studies do not consist of merely going to "Bud's Bible College" and memorizes verses all day long. There is a careful tedium which is applied to religious studies within the Empire. From Archaeology, scriptural hermeneutics, original languages study, redaction, and exegesis, these all play a part in defining Amarrian Faith. While some tenets of faith are up for debate, the "core of our theology" is not. So, amongst all true believers, faith is fundamentally the same, while superficially different. It should not, and can not be the other way around. Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:46:00 - [121] Indeed. The core of the ideology is not to be debatable. This is what is written in the Scriptures, don't you agree ?
Misha M'Liena Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.03.14 01:46:00 - [122] Edited by: Misha M''Liena on 14/03/2011 01:50:35 Edited by: Misha M''Liena on 14/03/2011 01:47:08 Walks out of the shadows with a quiet step. My this has been a interesting conversation to listen to. A new pilot being tested by the Almighty. A heretic or two. Faithful servants of the true God. And me. Miss Amelana. May i quote a passage from the Prophet Kuria? 'I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity.' -The Prophet Kuria, 'Paladins Creed' Be surely as you live and breathe Sister, You ARE being tested. As for Miss Lyn. God has set forth the Emperor to be his voice and the scriptures to help guide us. God's words are our beliefs and we strive to live them. While they may not say Suicide is permitted true. We are here to Carry our Lord and Gods works and commmandments out. Not throw our lives away carelessly. Your scripture to ponder. I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given.' - Book of Reclaiming 22:13, The Scriptures And a last piece of scripture for the unbelievers. The angelic Apostles of Heaven sing praises for their children! Our Lord smiles upon the world. Where the Emperor rules in his name Leading his people to glory untold. Hearken the trumpets of Heaven Hailing the people of Amarr." -- The Scriptures. Anoyia 17:21. By your leave. Oh,this humble one is called Misha M'liena. Walks back into the shadows
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.14 05:10:00 - [123] Thank you for your words, my test has only just begun. I shall look to God for guidance, I do not need it here.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.03.14 11:15:00 - [124] Originally by: Misha M'Liena Edited by: Misha M''Liena on 14/03/2011 01:50:35 Edited by: Misha M''Liena on 14/03/2011 01:47:08 As for Miss Lyn. God has set forth the Emperor to be his voice and the scriptures to help guide us. God's words are our beliefs and we strive to live them. While they may not say Suicide is permitted true. We are here to Carry our Lord and Gods works and commmandments out. Not throw our lives away carelessly. Your scripture to ponder. I suppose you do not agree with lord Merdaneth, then ?
Ava Starfire Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.03.14 13:28:00 - [125] Originally by: Lyn Farel Originally by: Misha M'Liena Edited by: Misha M''Liena on 14/03/2011 01:50:35 Edited by: Misha M''Liena on 14/03/2011 01:47:08 As for Miss Lyn. God has set forth the Emperor to be his voice and the scriptures to help guide us. God's words are our beliefs and we strive to live them. While they may not say Suicide is permitted true. We are here to Carry our Lord and Gods works and commmandments out. Not throw our lives away carelessly. Your scripture to ponder. I suppose you do not agree with lord Merdaneth, then ? I would have agreed with your assessment, until he posted the required quote relating to the Book of Reclaiming; of all the things written in your Scriptures, why you all choose to latch onto this so strongly is beyond me. But then, I am having some difficulty in translating from the Amarr language, and I cannot (understandably) locate a copy of your Sciptures written in Matari...for all I know, that oft-quoted passage may actually say "Go forth and eat hashbrowns, for to do so is good." /me shrugs
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2011.03.14 13:40:00 - [126] Originally by: Ava Starfire I am having some difficulty in translating from the Amarr language, and I cannot (understandably) locate a copy of your Sciptures written in Matari. Hi! A while back I talked to Annabella Rella? And I sent her some stuff, and she should be able to help you with that sort of thing! Or if I find more I'll let you know about it! Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!! \o/
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.03.14 16:06:00 - [127] Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: Lyn Farel Originally by: Misha M'Liena Edited by: Misha M''Liena on 14/03/2011 01:50:35 Edited by: Misha M''Liena on 14/03/2011 01:47:08 As for Miss Lyn. God has set forth the Emperor to be his voice and the scriptures to help guide us. God's words are our beliefs and we strive to live them. While they may not say Suicide is permitted true. We are here to Carry our Lord and Gods works and commmandments out. Not throw our lives away carelessly. Your scripture to ponder. I suppose you do not agree with lord Merdaneth, then ? I would have agreed with your assessment, until he posted the required quote relating to the Book of Reclaiming; of all the things written in your Scriptures, why you all choose to latch onto this so strongly is beyond me. Probably because it might be one of the most misunderstood and controversial part of The Scriptures. Anyway, I am not sure to understand which assessment of mine you were refering to ?
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.14 16:13:00 - [128] Originally by: Louella Dougans Originally by: Ava Starfire I am having some difficulty in translating from the Amarr language, and I cannot (understandably) locate a copy of your Sciptures written in Matari. Hi! A while back I talked to Annabella Rella? And I sent her some stuff, and she should be able to help you with that sort of thing! Or if I find more I'll let you know about it! Louelle Dougans, always so helpful. Bless you! Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Misha M'Liena Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.03.14 23:16:00 - [129] Walks out of shadows. Miss Lyn. I am not one to judge A persons beliefs. I can comment on them but i will not judge at this time. But to answer your question will require two parts. First. I am not of the royal family. I can only accept Mi'Lords Merdaneth's words on the, dare i say rituals. Shrugs Too much time reading the scriptures then reading on the Royal Family's customs. Second. Now i will freely admit, That if it can came to a debate about the scriptures with Mi'Lord Merdaneth. That i would get soundly trounced. I would of course try to win of course. But i would learn from it. And i hope to freely discuss such matter with him. If and when he would like. I do hope i answered your question fully. If you need me i shall be around, Just ask. Walks back into the shadows and listens quietly once more.
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.03.15 02:34:00 - [130] Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Pardon my absence from this fascinating discussion - one of my agents thought it would be hilarious to sneak some contraband into one of the so-called 'shipments', and then alerted CONCORD on the other side of the gate. They did not believe me when I told them I had no idea what it was nor how it got there, and I forgot to check the cargo manifest before leaving dock. Suffice it to say that particular agent will NOT be getting any further business from me. You are the best thing to happen to this forum since... well, my recollection of history does not go back far enough to provide a suitable example.
Cassandra Amelana Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.15 08:56:00 - [131] Originally by: Kor Shivat Originally by: Cassandra Amelana Pardon my absence from this fascinating discussion - one of my agents thought it would be hilarious to sneak some contraband into one of the so-called 'shipments', and then alerted CONCORD on the other side of the gate. They did not believe me when I told them I had no idea what it was nor how it got there, and I forgot to check the cargo manifest before leaving dock. Suffice it to say that particular agent will NOT be getting any further business from me. You are the best thing to happen to this forum since... well, my recollection of history does not go back far enough to provide a suitable example. I take it that there has not been a spirited religious debate for quite some time then? I find that hard to believe, but - to each his or her own, I suppose.

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