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Adarah Noban
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Posted - 2011.02.07 15:43:00 -
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My corp is having a "game night" next week, with a 1v1 T1 frigate match event that I signed up for. Most of the corp flys Caldari, with a few like myself in Minmatar. I haven't done much pvp,so can anyone help me with a good 1v1 T1 frig (rifter)fit? The rules are T1 ships and T1 fits only. |
SomeHardLovin
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2011.02.07 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 07/02/2011 16:42:57 I recommend checking out Battleclinic on the net for fits.. but I whipped this one up.. I think in a Corp PVP tourney it would do well. Its cap stable.. EVEN if they neutralize you, it puts out the usual nice rifter damage and its fairly easy to fit with medium skills. All T1.
If they are a missile boat, approach in a Zig Zag pattern and finally orbit at 5k with afterburner going (1075ms using my skills) and all weapons firing, energy neutralizer running. If you need to get closet.. orbit as close as need be. [Rifter, Rifter] Damage Control I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Micro Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 Stasis Webifier I 1MN Afterburner I
200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.02.07 16:42:00 -
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Rifter 3x 250mm artillery afterburner disruptor web damage control small repairer overdrive
keep at 15km and pew pew them.. i feel like someone will be flying griffin, keres, ect. though with lots of ewar stuff to mess you up so be careful.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.02.07 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 07/02/2011 16:44:36 Edited by: Othran on 07/02/2011 16:43:31 Wensley's new guide
Go there. Read.
Job done
Ermm arty Rifters need not apply - edit espcially not ones with ABs. How you going to stay at range mmmm?
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2011.02.07 20:51:00 -
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Against a lot of caldari and only T1 ships and mods.. I assumed that meant no meta..
[Vigil, Nom] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector System I Gyrostabilizer I
1MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor I Target Painter I
280mm Howitzer Artillery I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 280mm Howitzer Artillery I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Standard Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Hobgoblin I x1
No faction webs, you'll encounter a lot of rockets n blasters.. and rifters.. just keep at range around 14km and slowly take them out. No one will catch you, no one without arty/beam/rails/SMLs will hit you.. and I doubt you'll encounter very many of them weapon systems for this. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please. |
Kitty McKitty
Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.02.07 21:12:00 -
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These threads always have the WORST fits known to mankind ~~~
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SomeHardLovin
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2011.02.07 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 07/02/2011 21:46:51 Care to elaborate? I've used a similarly fit rifter rather well in the past (for tournaments where you don't expect anyone to run away). What would you suggest exactly?
Your corp does have a decent record vs frigates though, so i'm genuinely happy to see your fit. ---
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Kitty McKitty
Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.02.07 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: SomeHardLovin Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 07/02/2011 21:46:51 Care to elaborate? I've used a similarly fit rifter rather well in the past (for tournaments where you don't expect anyone to run away). What would you suggest exactly?
Your corp does have a decent record vs frigates though, so i'm genuinely happy to see your fit.
Sorry I was referring to the no tank vigil, which really ought to be fit with a mapc/mse fit.
I'm not sure if the op is going in for an elimination tournament or a free for all. Yours should be good for elimination rounds but for a free for all I would prefer something with a repper. ~~~
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SomeHardLovin
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2011.02.07 22:21:00 -
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Yeah agreed. He said 1v1 so I think its round robin. ---
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.02.07 22:40:00 -
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Any Rifter fit that is active armor tanked, with tech II 200mm+ ACs on it using barrage will win in any 1v1 tech I frigate tourney.
Be sure to have thermodynamics trained as high as possible for maximum overload time. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2011.02.07 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Umega on 07/02/2011 22:55:44
Originally by: Kitty McKitty
Originally by: SomeHardLovin Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 07/02/2011 21:46:51 Care to elaborate? I've used a similarly fit rifter rather well in the past (for tournaments where you don't expect anyone to run away). What would you suggest exactly?
Your corp does have a decent record vs frigates though, so i'm genuinely happy to see your fit.
Sorry I was referring to the no tank vigil, which really ought to be fit with a mapc/mse fit.
I'm not sure if the op is going in for an elimination tournament or a free for all. Yours should be good for elimination rounds but for a free for all I would prefer something with a repper.
A tank for what.. an sml/mwd kestrel? Which is probably what is going to win that tourny. Really not much else one is likely going to encounter is going to get in range to do anything to that vigil, tank imo is pointless for such a tourny. AB/SAR rifter is going to be completely useless and fail hard against such long range, mwd ships.. all depending on the starting location for each ship. No T2 guns = no barrage. I'd rather go with Incursus/merlin over rifter for close range combat tactic.
Quote: Any Rifter fit that is active armor tanked, with tech II 200mm+ ACs on it using barrage will win in any 1v1 tech I frigate tourney.
Read the rules again. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please. |
DeBingJos
Minmatar The Reformed Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.08 09:06:00 -
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Surprise your corpmates, use a breacher.
Use explosive standard missiles for max damage and try to keep as much distance as possible (MWD). You will probably have the best range, don't fit a disruptor in a tournament. Usually the rules state that warping off will disqualify you.
Use the rules to your advantage.
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Deerin
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.02.08 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Adarah Noban Most of the corp flys Caldari
[Griffin, Anti Caldari Griffin] Signal Distortion Amplifier I
1MN MicroWarpdrive I ECM - Spatial Destabilizer I ECM - Spatial Destabilizer I Stasis Webifier I
Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket Light Electron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge S
Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I [empty rig slot]
Overheat the jammers and you'll be almost permajamming your opponents. If you know who you are going to fight with you can switch your jammer accordingly.
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Adarah Noban
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Posted - 2011.02.08 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Adarah Noban on 08/02/2011 15:01:26 Edited by: Adarah Noban on 08/02/2011 15:00:14
Originally by: SomeHardLovin Yeah agreed. He said 1v1 so I think its round robin.
Yeah, sorry, it is round robin. 1v1, then wait your turn for your next match. All fits must be T1 0-meta.
The boss released the first round matchups today since some folks were asking to start a pool, and my first rounder is an old friend of mine who is highly missle focused. I'm expecting a Kestrel, since he loves missle boats, but you never know.
Actually, my side of the chart seems pretty missle heavy, if I know my fellow pilots. Sheesh. |
SomeHardLovin
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2011.02.08 21:39:00 -
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Hmm well there are a few ways to beat missiles..
1) Move faster than they do, outrun the explosion radius. With T1 gear this is unlikely though. 2) Load up on rapid firing turrets and try to do more damage than his slow firing missiles do 3) ECM jam him. Nobody will have Friend or Foe missiles on a frigate so if he's jammed he can't fire.
He will be going for range on you.. probably outside of web range.. so what I suggest is do what *I* did in this weekends cruiser tournament. Load on some Remote Sensor Dampeners and a MWD. Load a ship with small missiles (another kestrel) and orbit over 35km and spam missiles until he dies. Chances are he will never even get a lock unless he fits a MWD as well and gets into his 'new and improved' locking range.. which is unlikely.
Alternatively, try the ecm frigate fit above.. that should work as well assuming he doesnt sick drones on you before you lock and jam him. If he DOES.. kill the drones 1st. ---
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.02.09 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 09/02/2011 05:29:37
Originally by: Othran
Ermm arty Rifters need not apply - edit espcially not ones with ABs. How you going to stay at range mmmm?
Frigates fit for duelling purposes frequently use afterburners, and his (Dorian) fit is faster than most cookie cutters.
Originally by: Umega
Quote: Any Rifter fit that is active armor tanked, with tech II 200mm+ ACs on it using barrage will win in any 1v1 tech I frigate tourney.
Read the rules again.
Even without those rules that statement would be completely and utterly wrong.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2011.02.09 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Umega
Quote: Any Rifter fit that is active armor tanked, with tech II 200mm+ ACs on it using barrage will win in any 1v1 tech I frigate tourney.
Read the rules again.
Even without those rules that statement would be completely and utterly wrong.
Agreed. But left simple response, cause there is already plenty of rifter vs other T1 frig arguements going around this forum.. this thread really doesn't need it for its original intention. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please. |
Adarah Noban
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Posted - 2011.02.09 15:38:00 -
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The help so far has been superb. Thanks to all.
My first opponent will be in a Kestrel. I checkd and he was logged out in it yesterday. Friday is the matchup, so any last minute advice is greatly appreciated. I'll let you all know how I fare (even if you don't really care, lol). |
Pachink0
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Posted - 2011.02.10 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Adarah Noban The help so far has been superb. Thanks to all.
My first opponent will be in a Kestrel. I checkd and he was logged out in it yesterday. Friday is the matchup, so any last minute advice is greatly appreciated. I'll let you all know how I fare (even if you don't really care, lol).
make sure he isn't gonna fit a micro warp drive and kite u
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Cordo Draken
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Posted - 2011.02.10 18:50:00 -
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Ok, a couple suggestions here. A) fit a few different T1 ships with different styles of fighting. Keep your opponents guessing, assuming you advance. B) U haven't specified if a point was required, but I will assume it's not. The sensor damp idea wouldn't be that effective here due to the T1 req mods and the kestral's 40km range... Even dual damps would only bring him down to about 15 - 16km range at best.
That said, use the Rifters speed to your advantage, you can easily be faster than him. Here's what I suggest:
3x 200 ACs, EMP (RF if allowed) Small nuet
1mn MWD 2x Webb ( if u face a Griffen, swap 1 webb for Ladar ECCM and turn on at the start)
Damage Control 200 mm plate Overdrive (if you know u are figting another upclose brawler, swap for gyro)
Expl rig Kin rig Tri mark pump
The kestral would have to have 2 ODs in the lows to barely out speed u. If u have the skill, overheat ur mwd to get within 10 km. Get him with dual webbs turn off the OH, and now u control the fight and u close in and chew his face off. The buffer and resists u have should easily be sufficient to get the job done.
I'm willing to bet that the kestral will have a DC on it for lack of a tank, but in the case that any of ur opponents are active, u have mr. Nuet to minimize that.
GL
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Cordo Draken
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Posted - 2011.02.10 19:20:00 -
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Oh, alternative fit to mix it up... Although, if ur missile/caldari frig skills are lacking I wouldn't suggest using Cald, especially a griffen. But, here's a best case Kestral for u:
4x standard missile launchers
1mn MWD 2x Renote sensor damps, range scripts
2x OverDrives ( or swap 1 for a nano for better orbits)
2x EM rigs 1x shield extender rig
Hopefilly u start each fight about 20 - 30km range, if not, that's a problem. Other than that, throw on damps as you power out to 30 km orbit and volley till dead. He'll never be able to hit you as u should be the fastest out there. Keep a close eye on ur orbit, don't let him sling shot u ( i.e. Fly away then approach when ur transversal is minimal). Once u feel u have control and good orbit, shut off a damp to reduce cap drain, both if u need. Then the moment he starts to lock again, hit him with both again. Pulse mwd if needed. Also, carry FoF missile for pesky Griffens, just warn any spectators and hopefully no-one is near outside of ur corp or it's Hello CCP.
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Joruus QelDroma
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Posted - 2011.02.10 20:08:00 -
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For a corp T1 1v1 frigate fight, a friend tried out this rifter fit with amazing success Highs 1-Small Nosferatu 3-150mm Light Autocannon Mids 1-1MN MicroWarpdrive 1-Stasis Webifier 1-Small capacitor Booster Lows 1-Adaptive Nano Plating 1-Small Armor repairer 1-Damage Control
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Devil tiger
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Posted - 2011.02.11 11:49:00 -
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I wonder... Does the meta only also mean that faction & Storyline stuff is prohibited?
[Rifter, tourney rifter] Synthetic Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector I Synthetic Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector I Type-D Altered SS Inertial Stabilizers
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption 1MN Digital Booster Rockets Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP S 200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP S 200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP S 'Caltrop' Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.02.11 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty McKitty These threads always have the WORST fits known to mankind
You're not wrong
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Loridia Jade
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Posted - 2011.02.11 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Kitty McKitty These threads always have the WORST fits known to mankind
You're not wrong
Well, if both of you gentlemen are so E-leet, then by all means... Please share with us your infinite wisdom. Show us your awesome fits that abide by the OP's senario and limitations. In other words, put up or stfu. Thank you
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Adarah Noban
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Posted - 2011.02.14 14:03:00 -
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Thanks again to everyone here. I went undefeated! There were a few close... and I mean real close... wins, but in the end it was great. After playing with a few fits I went with HardLovin's fit below. I'm headed to the finals!
Originally by: SomeHardLovin [Rifter, Rifter] Damage Control I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Micro Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 Stasis Webifier I 1MN Afterburner I
200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
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SomeHardLovin
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2011.02.15 02:50:00 -
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Woot! Glad to hear it worked out for you ;) ---
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Rory Canavan
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Posted - 2011.02.15 19:50:00 -
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Hey Adarah, if you can get your corps organizer to eve-mail me the details about how he set up that fight and the rules it would be great.
I'm in a WH corp and i want to see if i can encourage people to get on, our log-in numbers are getting smaller and smaller it seems.
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Kate Mosh
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Posted - 2011.02.21 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Orin Any Rifter fit that is active armor tanked, with tech II 200mm+ ACs on it using barrage will win in any 1v1 tech I frigate tourney.
Be sure to have thermodynamics trained as high as possible for maximum overload time.
I used to think the same way till I started fighting/flying AB/MSE/Web/Scram/Neutrons w/Null fit Merlins flown the exact same way as the above mentioned Rifter. Fairly skillpoint intensive but extremely effective vs other T1 frigs. Just need to remember to use those Thermo skills for your web and scram since the Rifter will try to get away. Speed difference really isn't that much once the Rifter's plated and using any armor rigs. If both pilots were perfectly skilled, I'd bet on the Merlin pilot.
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