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half san Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:48:00 - [1] I am doing anomalies and radar/magnetometric sites in C5 WH space for last 4 mount, and I have too say that in last 2 mount drop of melted nanoribbons is reduced a lot. From my experience drop is reduced between 60-70%, a few days ago, we worked 2 core stronghold and 1 core garrison, and we salvaged only 9 Melted nanoribons. It is also the same in magnetometric/radar sites drop is reduced. My question is whether the reduction is announced somewhere by the CCP, or is it a bug in Incursion. I would appreciate that CCP answered my question. Fly safe.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:54:00 - [2] Post a spreadsheet from before with significant evidence of the previous drop rate and a new sheet with significant evidence of what you think the new drop rate is (i.e. nanoribbons per site, average nanoribbons, etc). Return with at least a sample size of say 100 (though preferably 500 or even 1000) and then we may have something to work with. Hint: basing a theory on 3 sites is foolish. Simply not enough data.
Dorn Val	Posted - 2011.02.08 12:00:00 - [3] Originally by: XXSketchxx Hint: basing a theory on 3 sites is foolish. Simply not enough data. I think he was just using those as an example -he did say that he's noticed a drop over the last two months...
half san Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 12:03:00 - [4] Originally by: XXSketchxx Post a spreadsheet from before with significant evidence of the previous drop rate and a new sheet with significant evidence of what you think the new drop rate is (i.e. nanoribbons per site, average nanoribbons, etc). Return with at least a sample size of say 100 (though preferably 500 or even 1000) and then we may have something to work with. Hint: basing a theory on 3 sites is foolish. Simply not enough data. This is just an example, my experience is based on few hundred anomalies and sites, that we made in last 4 mount.
Valarre	Posted - 2011.02.08 12:04:00 - [5] well of course they've been reduced, ccp wants you to buy more plexs.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 12:12:00 - [6] Unfortunately general observation isn't good enough though. We all remember the time we did 10 sites in a row where we got no nanoribbons but seem to forget when we consistently got 4-7 per site (making numbers up here). People always stir up news about a bug in "drops, invention, escalation, etc" after a patch. There is rarely some sort of concrete evidence to back it. This post will simply serve as confirmation bias for others who do a few sites, get nothing and assume something is broken.
half san Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 12:28:00 - [7] Originally by: XXSketchxx Unfortunately general observation isn't good enough though. We all remember the time we did 10 sites in a row where we got no nanoribbons but seem to forget when we consistently got 4-7 per site (making numbers up here). People always stir up news about a bug in "drops, invention, escalation, etc" after a patch. There is rarely some sort of concrete evidence to back it. This post will simply serve as confirmation bias for others who do a few sites, get nothing and assume something is broken. Unfortunately it seems to me that you do not have much experience in doing anomalies and sites in C5 and C6 WH space. My observation is based on facts, and the percentage is derived from drop obtained in the last few hundred sites/anomalies. Statistics never lie, and the sample is sufficient soo we can draw a reliable conclusion from it (drop is reduced).
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 12:45:00 - [8] Originally by: half san Statistics never lie, and the sample is sufficient soo we can draw a reliable conclusion from it (drop is reduced). What sample? You have yet to show us any data.
SpankSkank	Posted - 2011.02.08 13:16:00 - [9] Originally by: half san <snip> Statistics never lie, <more snipping> Statistics can be made to show whatever you want them to show. 85.2% of statistics are made up right there on the spot. 64.7% of people believe them whether they're accurate statistics or not. -Todd Snider
half san Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 13:23:00 - [10] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: half san Statistics never lie, and the sample is sufficient soo we can draw a reliable conclusion from it (drop is reduced). What sample? You have yet to show us any data. Some people obviously do not know how to read, so they need things drawn.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 13:29:00 - [11] Originally by: half san Some people obviously do not know how to read, so they need things drawn. I'm sorry, but are you being intentionally daft? Are you requesting I draw you a picture? What evidence have you provided other than "well we have made observations of a few hundred sites and our conclusion is the drop rate was reduced?" Thats not evidence. Its a statement of general observation with nothing backing it. Show me a list of these "hundreds of sites" and the corresponding amount of nanoribbons you have gotten. A list pre patch and post patch. Otherwise, your "observations" are useless. The closest you have come to providing data is the mention of 3 sites providing 9 ribbons. Hardly sufficient at all.
half san Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 13:38:00 - [12] And if hundreds of people from WH space observed that drop od melted nanoribbons is reduced, and my experience is the same. To me it is enough to get the conclusion that something is different then before in drop of melted nanoribbons in sites/anomalies.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 13:47:00 - [13] Originally by: half san And if hundreds of people from WH space observed that drop od melted nanoribbons is reduced, and my experience is the same. To me it is enough to get the conclusion that something is different then before in drop of melted nanoribbons in sites/anomalies. So uh...where are these hundreds of people? Sorry but your observations may be enough for you and a few other bug blaming players, but I can assure you that the majority of sensible people will see this as nothing more than some observed "bad luck" being confused as "reduced drop rate."
Oskari Hakkinen	Posted - 2011.02.08 13:49:00 - [14] The blue loots always more reliable lol..this sounds more like the post patch "invention sucess got nerfed" I pulled 18 ribbons from 4-5 C2 anoms so it cant all be bad
Gladni Jura	Posted - 2011.02.08 13:55:00 - [15] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: half san And if hundreds of people from WH space observed that drop od melted nanoribbons is reduced, and my experience is the same. To me it is enough to get the conclusion that something is different then before in drop of melted nanoribbons in sites/anomalies. So uh...where are these hundreds of people? Sorry but your observations may be enough for you and a few other bug blaming players, but I can assure you that the majority of sensible people will see this as nothing more than some observed "bad luck" being confused as "reduced drop rate." Because obviously you have no idea what I am saying, but constantly twisting facts. It is not clear to me from whom you are instructed to do soo.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:00:00 - [16] Edited by: XXSketchxx on 08/02/2011 14:06:12 Originally by: Gladni Jura Because obviously you have no idea what he is saying, but constantly twisting facts. It is not clear to me from whom you are instructed to do soo. I'm getting that "alt of the op" feeling from this post. The structure of your text is unusually similar to the op's. And the point you are trying to make is just as illogical. To be clear, what "facts" am I twisting? To my knowledge there are no facts presented thus far in this thread by the op [you], only observations. And what am I confused about? I fail to see what I do not understand.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:05:00 - [17] Edited by: XXSketchxx on 08/02/2011 14:04:54 double post
half san Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:09:00 - [18] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Gladni Jura Because obviously you have no idea what he is saying, but constantly twisting facts. It is not clear to me from whom you are instructed to do soo. I'm getting that "alt of the op" feeling from this post. The structure of your text is unusually similar to the op's. And the point you are trying to make is just as illogical. Now I see your experience and your knowledge, from someone that is mining and siting in Station/POS all day long.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:17:00 - [19] Edited by: XXSketchxx on 08/02/2011 14:17:13 Oh this is fun. Lets look at the progression of this thread. Op: [Post thread] CCP I am entitled to an answer as to why I am not getting as rich as I was. Me: Wheres your evidence? Op: Guys seriously this is based on hundreds of observations. Me: Yeah but...wheres your evidence? Op: You don't know what you're talking about, the statistics are sound, sample sizes good, derived percentage accurate. Sorry though, I can't actually share any of this info Me: Can I see some of that data? Op: You are stupid and can't read. Me: Sorry, did you show any evidence yet? Op: Well everyone else agrees with me Me: Who? Alt: Me! Op: You are just a stupid miner/station/POS sitter.
Gladni Jura	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:36:00 - [20] Originally by: XXSketchxx Edited by: XXSketchxx on 08/02/2011 14:17:13 Oh this is fun. Lets look at the progression of this thread. Op: [Post thread] CCP I am entitled to an answer as to why I am not getting as rich as I was. Me: Wheres your evidence? Op: Guys seriously this is based on hundreds of observations. Me: Yeah but...wheres your evidence? Op: You don't know what you're talking about, the statistics are sound, sample sizes good, derived percentage accurate. Sorry though, I can't actually share any of this info Me: Can I see some of that data? Op: You are stupid and can't read. Me: Sorry, did you show any evidence yet? Op: Well everyone else agrees with me Me: Who? Alt: Me! Op: You are just a stupid miner/station/POS sitter. Prove that I'm wrong that drop is same as before.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Gladni Jura Prove that I'm wrong that drop is same as before. So now your position is: "Drops have changed, I have seen this. I can't prove it but you can't prove me wrong either, thus, drops have changed." Great logical argument there champ. PS: Thanks for confirming the alt suspicion I had.
Salliene Gallente Paktu Sjet Armada Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:42:00 - [22] Okay since no one else is as smart as I am. I went into this game I play called EVE Online and pulled up the Market Screen. From there you can view the volume of an item traded for the past 6 months!! Based on 6 months of actual collected data and not just stuff I am remembering in my head, I can see that the average volume of Melted Nanoribbons has remained fairly consistent over the past 6 months. There has been a SPIKE in the past 2 months, meaning that there are most likely MORE Nanoribbons on the market, but that could be due to any reason and not a change in the overall drop rate. It should also be noted that the average PRICE for nanoribbons has slowly declined from around 6 millionish to around 4 millionish in that 6 month period, also indicating to me that there are more, not less, nanoribbons on the market. I hate to muddle this conversation with facts, but I thought some people might be interested.
half san Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:48:00 - [23] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Gladni Jura Prove that I'm wrong that drop is same as before. So now your position is: "Drops have changed, I have seen this. I can't prove it but you can't prove me wrong either, thus, drops have changed." Great logical argument there champ. PS: Thanks for confirming the alt suspicion I had. Soo what if I reply from alt, I have nothing to hide. Yes you can't prove because only thing that you have is talk,talk,talk and spining you ship in POS/Station. Soo much experience.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Gladni Jura Prove that I'm wrong that drop is same as before. Simple: you have offered nothing that shows the drops have changed. Thus they haven't. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:53:00 - [25] Originally by: half san Soo what if I reply from alt, I have nothing to hide. My sincerest apologies. Must have been a minor slip when you said "You have no idea what he is saying" implying that Gladni was in fact a different poster. Oh well I guess. Quote: Yes you can't prove because only thing that you have is talk,talk,talk and spining you ship in POS/Station. Soo much experience. I'm sorry I fail to see how these baseless assumptions are relevant to your position. Would you care to address the implications of the market data presented in this thread or perhaps provide your own data?
Contralto Rift Tech	Posted - 2011.02.08 15:09:00 - [26] I agree with the Op, I am seeing a consistent reduced drop of ribbons over the past month or two. A few months ago I received around 5 mill per ribbon in Jita, my last trip out I received 6.3 mill,(sold 300 at that price) actual return per Anom' hasn't changed much so I am not too bothered Tbh.
space alcapone	Posted - 2011.02.08 16:12:00 - [27] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: half san And if hundreds of people from WH space observed that drop od melted nanoribbons is reduced, and my experience is the same. To me it is enough to get the conclusion that something is different then before in drop of melted nanoribbons in sites/anomalies. So uh...where are these hundreds of people? Sorry but your observations may be enough for you and a few other bug blaming players, but I can assure you that the majority of sensible people will see this as nothing more than some observed "bad luck" being confused as "reduced drop rate." One more is here and yes is reduced for sure i live in wh for 2 years too and i agree with half 100%
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.08 16:26:00 - [28] Originally by: space alcapone One more is here and yes is reduced for sure i live in wh for 2 years too and i agree with half 100% 1 more person with no evidence is hardly sufficient to convince anyone that drop rates have reduced. Market data has shown a consistent supply. Now this could mean that more sites are being run to compensate for a decrease in drop rates. However this is a stretch. Prices have increased. If supply were decreasing I would concede the possibility of a drop rate reduction, following the logic that a drop in supply without a drop in demand results in a price increase. However, as supply has been consistent, I would argue that the price increase is more a result of demand increase, specifically for Tengus, potentially as a result of the SP reallocation. As MNR are an essential component to T3 construction, they would be largely affected by this. Still waiting on some actual data from those saying drop rates have been reduced.
Cambarus Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker	Posted - 2011.02.08 16:34:00 - [29] This reminds me of when I used to live out in 0.0, and for that matter, every MMO I've ever played. With just about every single new patch that hits the server, SOMEONE is convinced that the company owning the game nerfed the RANDOM drop rate of something or other. These claims are usually backed up with very little, if anything at all, because the reality behind it is that if you go into a large portion of npc kills with the idea in your head that drop rates have reduced, it would take nothing short of a massive INCREASE to convince you otherwise, because suddenly all you're noticing are the bad kills. This is especially entertaining when it comes to something that has a particularly low drop/spawn rate to begin with (if I had a nickel for ever time I've heard someone complain that CCP nerfed the frequency of faction spawns...)
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.08 17:48:00 - [30] Ever since Incursion I've been pulling 3 Nanoribbons from every wreck, consistently. I'm not going to provide any evidence though, because that way it can't be disproved. Therefore, I am right, and anyone that wants figures is just a stupid miner/station trader.

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