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SIlhohuette	Posted - 2011.02.08 21:24:00 - [1] require a fortune of faction gear to be effective. Can anyone recommend T2 fits for a tengu for PvE content. I'd appreciate it.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:02:00 - [2] What PvE content specifically? and also whats the ISK limit? My l4 build is 1.1 bil, Hull+ subsystems is like half that or so. Asking seriously, thanks.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:28:00 - [3] Guristas are easy to tank for. 491 tank + speed tank. Key points to a Tengu are: * great kinetic damage. Good against Guristas, Serpentis, and other kinetic weak targets. Moderate against Angels. Lousy against Sansha/Blood Raider. Use EM missiles on Sansha/Blood Raider, and Kinetic for everything else. * Speed tank. A lot of NPC damage is mitigated due to cruiser sized sig and speed. * Fury missiles against cruisers and bigger. * Six launchers. * A T2 Tengu is going to hit CPU limits. * At least one rigor rig in order to efficiently hit cruisers and bigger. Two to three for frigates. * You can still die to things like Stop the Thief which spawns a metric butt load of webbing frigates. [Tengu, T2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Small Shield Booster II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst If you scare easily, then use a Capacitor Regeneration Matrix, a Medium Shield Booster II, 3x hardeners and a Damage Control Unit II or a 4th Ballistic Control Unit in the lows. You will only be able to mount five launchers, but you'll have a really spiffy tank. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Oohlala	Posted - 2011.02.09 01:00:00 - [4] Originally by: stoicfaux Guristas are easy to tank for. 491 tank + speed tank. Key points to a Tengu are: * great kinetic damage. Good against Guristas, Serpentis, and other kinetic weak targets. Moderate against Angels. Lousy against Sansha/Blood Raider. Use EM missiles on Sansha/Blood Raider, and Kinetic for everything else. * Speed tank. A lot of NPC damage is mitigated due to cruiser sized sig and speed. * Fury missiles against cruisers and bigger. * Six launchers. * A T2 Tengu is going to hit CPU limits. * At least one rigor rig in order to efficiently hit cruisers and bigger. Two to three for frigates. * You can still die to things like Stop the Thief which spawns a metric butt load of webbing frigates. [Tengu, T2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Small Shield Booster II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst If you scare easily, then use a Capacitor Regeneration Matrix, a Medium Shield Booster II, 3x hardeners and a Damage Control Unit II or a 4th Ballistic Control Unit in the lows. You will only be able to mount five launchers, but you'll have a really spiffy tank. Thank you very much.
Xui Meili Caldari Swedish Aerospace Inc The Kadeshi	Posted - 2011.02.09 01:39:00 - [5] Edited by: Xui Meili on 09/02/2011 01:42:03 [Tengu, PVE CHEAP] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Medium Shield Booster II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst What I would build on the cheap. I am fighting Sansha. I have the CCC rigs because it just makes life easier to not have to deal with cap issues. Adjust whatever you like. You don't need rigor rigs... People need to understand that its easy to target paint something, those modules have great range, but making a target slow down enough to do full damage is harder (you need to be 10k or closer) Hence why I have the web. I use T1 missiles because I am cheap, I build them myself so its a constant supply. IF you are willing to spend a little extra cash I would say your first choice would be a nice small shield booster. You want to properly protect your expensive investment. After which when you want to spend a tad more (much cheaper then the booster) go for Caldari BCU's for the added damage. IF you want to go with different rigs, then go with flares and just target paint the target you are going to shoot. You will see better gains with flares then rigor. Rigor is for cruise missiles and cruise missiles alone. I am fighting sansha rats. but if you going for something like gurista or serp or even angel, that frees up more mids to put more TP's on their. Contact me ingame if you wish to talk more about fits. =D Enjoy the new tengu =D (edit: minor adjustment =P)
knentil	Posted - 2011.02.09 02:56:00 - [6] Edited by: knentil on 09/02/2011 02:56:15 The very definition of the tengu is to go big or go home. Its epic1337sauce. If you have the time to train for a tengu and the money to buy one theres no reason to not pimp it out.
Dr Chau Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.09 03:03:00 - [7] Originally by: knentil Edited by: knentil on 09/02/2011 02:56:15 The very definition of the tengu is to go big or go home. Its epic1337sauce. If you have the time to train for a tengu and the money to buy one theres no reason to not pimp it out. This. And if money is really a problem, at the very least get a Gist booster.
Mavnas	Posted - 2011.02.09 03:18:00 - [8] Originally by: knentil Edited by: knentil on 09/02/2011 02:56:15 The very definition of the tengu is to go big or go home. Its epic1337sauce. If you have the time to train for a tengu and the money to buy one theres no reason to not pimp it out. Tengu doesn't exactly take that long to train for.
Pod Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.09 09:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Mavnas Originally by: knentil Edited by: knentil on 09/02/2011 02:56:15 The very definition of the tengu is to go big or go home. Its epic1337sauce. If you have the time to train for a tengu and the money to buy one theres no reason to not pimp it out. Tengu doesn't exactly take that long to train for. Actually with all the t3 it is a dam short cut to have a ship that obsoletes 90% of the cruiser and BC hulls In multiple roles t1 and t2 [hello super booster no command ship needed] With training for one hull. All you need then is to buy 2 timecards and sell it for plexes and you are 95 % as effective as someone ho trained for years Pod
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.09 10:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Pod Amarr Actually with all the t3 it is a dam short cut to have a ship that obsoletes 90% of the cruiser and BC hulls In multiple roles t1 and t2 [hello super booster no command ship needed] Yo, remember when you were a little kid and wished there was ice cream pizza? Huginn is my ice cream. Vagabond is my pizza. It's like I'm 7 all over again.
Cygnus Zhada Custodians of Athra	Posted - 2011.02.09 10:26:00 - [11] Disregard what most of these people are saying (per usual), Stick to Stoicfaux' fit and you'll be fine although fury missiles are optional. Once you have some spare cash invest in faction BCS and as long as you stick to guristas or serpentis you don't need more tank. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.09 11:43:00 - [12] Edited by: GyokZoli on 09/02/2011 11:44:32 Originally by: Pod Amarr Actually with all the t3 it is a dam short cut to have a ship that obsoletes 90% of the cruiser and BC hulls In multiple roles t1 and t2 [hello super booster no command ship needed] With training for one hull. All you need then is to buy 2 timecards and sell it for plexes and you are 95 % as effective as someone ho trained for years Please explain that how could someone skip training missiles skills (including the support ones), shield skills and fitting skill. These are the ones costing you the most training time. Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Disregard what most of these people are saying (per usual), Stick to Stoicfaux' fit and you'll be fine although fury missiles are optional. Once you have some spare cash invest in faction BCS and as long as you stick to guristas or serpentis you don't need more tank. No, you need the fury missiles for the extra 25% DPS.
Cygnus Zhada Custodians of Athra	Posted - 2011.02.09 11:53:00 - [13] Originally by: GyokZoli No, you need the fury missiles for the extra 25% DPS. Depends on the situation. Extra cost, increased explosive radius and a ship sig radius penalty means it's situational. Useful and logical? Sure, but not a requirement. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
Jitaherp Derp	Posted - 2011.02.09 12:27:00 - [14] Can anyone explain to me what this craze about the Dissolution sequencer is? CPU efficiency gate lets you use 4 BCUs and fit things much more comfortably, including T2s. Little to no disadvantages. Better in almost every way, please prove me wrong.
Cygnus Zhada Custodians of Athra	Posted - 2011.02.09 12:39:00 - [15] You don't need CPU much, especially not when you start pimping a bit. And dissolution gives more targeting range so you can actually make use of your massive HML range right away. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
AstarothPrime	Posted - 2011.02.09 12:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Pod Amarr Actually with all the t3 it is a dam short cut to have a ship that obsoletes 90% of the cruiser and BC hulls In multiple roles t1 and t2 [hello super booster no command ship needed] With training for one hull. All you need then is to buy 2 timecards and sell it for plexes and you are 95 % as effective as someone ho trained for years Yup - true - but in my Eve ships pop when blob fires on them. And normal T2 hull + fit = 150M isk, while T3 hull + fit = 600M ISK + loss of skill when u pop it. I.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.09 13:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Jitaherp Derp Can anyone explain to me what this craze about the Dissolution sequencer is? CPU efficiency gate lets you use 4 BCUs and fit things much more comfortably, including T2s. Little to no disadvantages. Better in almost every way, please prove me wrong. Two words: Sensor Range. With Skills at V: * Dissolution Sequencer: 117.19km * CPU Efficiency Gate: 81.25km * HML Range: 113.9km (Fury) or 126.6km (T1) There are many missions where the NPCs start out at greater than 80km range. The sooner you can target things, the sooner you can start applying DPS. However, you do bring up a good point in that the CPU Efficiency Gate can compensate for low fitting skills and/or cpu hogging T2 modules and cpu penalizing missile rigs. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Swynet	Posted - 2011.02.09 13:52:00 - [18] Originally by: stoicfaux Guristas are easy to tank for. 491 tank + speed tank. Key points to a Tengu are: * great kinetic damage. Good against Guristas, Serpentis, and other kinetic weak targets. Moderate against Angels. Lousy against Sansha/Blood Raider. Use EM missiles on Sansha/Blood Raider, and Kinetic for everything else. * Speed tank. A lot of NPC damage is mitigated due to cruiser sized sig and speed. * Fury missiles against cruisers and bigger. * Six launchers. * A T2 Tengu is going to hit CPU limits. * At least one rigor rig in order to efficiently hit cruisers and bigger. Two to three for frigates. * You can still die to things like Stop the Thief which spawns a metric butt load of webbing frigates. [Tengu, T2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Small Shield Booster II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst If you scare easily, then use a Capacitor Regeneration Matrix, a Medium Shield Booster II, 3x hardeners and a Damage Control Unit II or a 4th Ballistic Control Unit in the lows. You will only be able to mount five launchers, but you'll have a really spiffy tank. Same than this at one difference, I would put 2 flares t1 1rigor t2, just a matter of choice.
Guillieme Lohran	Posted - 2011.02.09 17:13:00 - [19] Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 09/02/2011 17:15:02 This one worked as my basic w-space/L4. TP slot is a utility slot in practice, you can swap it out with little difficulty to adapt if needed. Just plug in more expensive shinies as desired. [Tengu, Gooey] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 'Copasetic' I Particle Field Acceleration Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Cygnus Zhada Custodians of Athra	Posted - 2011.02.09 17:23:00 - [20] You're 1 launcher short. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
Marcus McTavish	Posted - 2011.02.09 23:15:00 - [21] Just buy a gistii b-type small shield booster if your not willing to spend at least 50 million in mods then dont fly it tengu is not for everyone
Atsuko Yamamoto Spartan Shipyards	Posted - 2011.02.10 02:28:00 - [22] People say "go big or go home" with the fittings for the tengu. This guy is asking for effective, cheap setups that don't attract the attention of 1400mm Apocs looking for a payday. That said, I've poked at setups for cheap and effective and I get a drake... I dunno, hope you have better luck.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.10 03:29:00 - [23] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/02/2011 03:29:55 I remember doing some pretty basic playing with EFT and found that the NH is almost as good as the Tengu. Its actually close enough that I'm not totally convinced it isn't equal/better. I'm pretty sure that the NH will actually be be outright better than the Tengu if you exclude super "expensive" fits. The down side to that is that its so much faster to train Offensive Subsystems 5 than Command Ships 5... the upside is that you have a lot more HP and your ship hull doesn't scream "gank me". Disclaimer: I don't know this for fact. I do not have a NH, but I do have a Tengu. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.10 03:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/02/2011 03:29:55 I remember doing some pretty basic playing with EFT and found that the NH is almost as good as the Tengu. Its actually close enough that I'm not totally convinced it isn't equal/better. I'm pretty sure that the NH will actually be be outright better than the Tengu if you exclude super "expensive" fits. The down side to that is that its so much faster to train Offensive Subsystems 5 than Command Ships 5... the upside is that you have a lot more HP and your ship hull doesn't scream "gank me". Disclaimer: I don't know this for fact. I do not have a NH, but I do have a Tengu. -Liang I have a character with both, although I'm fairly sure the tengu is better, more speed, more dps, more tank, more pretty much everything.
Mister Normal	Posted - 2011.02.10 04:20:00 - [25] I am training up for this: [Tengu, cheep] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Some faction gear is needed due to CPU and grid issues
knentil	Posted - 2011.02.10 06:36:00 - [26] Edited by: knentil on 10/02/2011 06:41:38 Edited by: knentil on 10/02/2011 06:37:50 Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto People say "go big or go home" with the fittings for the tengu. This guy is asking for effective, cheap setups that don't attract the attention of 1400mm Apocs looking for a payday. That said, I've poked at setups for cheap and effective and I get a drake... I dunno, hope you have better luck. Thats only a problem when the person is a moron. Here are some easy steps to not have a multi bill fit suicided. Don't do missions or farm isk in the Same spot for hours upon hours with predictable patterns of movement. Don't play often, mostly pertains to staying in one area for hours on end. Don't be a douche to people, be nice, don't give people anymore of a reason to ** you, show a fake fit if people ask, don't advertise your fit, don't fleet with people. Trust no one, not even corp mates. Don't mission with anyone if in a player corp, if they insist on salvaging or having your loot drop them a bookmark after the mission, and if they warp in unexpected warp out or log out. Watch local and be aware of ships around you, warp out if ** gets werid or a bunch of bs show up. Have some safe spots in each system if you believe your being hunted. Have all your aligning related skills up to 5. The main one is never go afk while in space, always dock if your not paying attention. Its easiest to just not be in a player corp when fielding mutlibill pve isk printing machines. Never have to worry about war decs or getting killed by corp mates. theres probably more, but its alot of common sense.
Aichi Awara	Posted - 2011.02.10 07:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Aichi Awara on 10/02/2011 07:05:25 Hi! Quick question. Is "Fire-support" tengu with heavy assault missiles usable with rigs that increase range to around 40km or does it have some problems? I have two chars and I was planning to use tank (tengu too) with HM to lob missiles from safety and my second account fitting tengu with HAM's and range rigs? 840dps with ~40km range. Idea: tank with one tengu and zip around in another and kill anything within 40km range. I don't have experience with HAM fits, so will HAM's hit small and large ships ok or does it need some different rigs to it? Thanks! Ps. To original topic. From my point of view good (fitting) skills enable using t2 fits in tengu without spending huge amount of isk to faction modules. I have been plexing 6/10 and 8/10 plexes with only faction small shield booster and that's to be on the "safe" side. But that's only my "feeling".
Cygnus Zhada Custodians of Athra	Posted - 2011.02.10 08:33:00 - [28] HAMS lack range, have increased damage but have issues hitting smaller/faster ships. Also, as they're "unguided" they're not affected by rigor rigs. End result is that they're great against close range cruiser and up but don't like small or fast stuff and you'll have to move around a lot apply your dps. Consensus is that in most missions you lose more time with running around than you gain from increased DPS. Because you run 2 accounts and want to use both actively you're probably better off just using HML's so you can sit still on both chars and just target+shoot stuff. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
Atsuko Yamamoto Spartan Shipyards	Posted - 2011.02.10 10:11:00 - [29] Originally by: knentil Edited by: knentil on 10/02/2011 06:41:38 Edited by: knentil on 10/02/2011 06:37:50 Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto People say "go big or go home" with the fittings for the tengu. This guy is asking for effective, cheap setups that don't attract the attention of 1400mm Apocs looking for a payday. That said, I've poked at setups for cheap and effective and I get a drake... I dunno, hope you have better luck. Thats only a problem when the person is a moron. Don't do missions or farm isk in the Same spot for hours upon hours with predictable patterns of movement. Don't play often, mostly pertains to staying in one area for hours on end. Don't be a douche to people, be nice, don't give people anymore of a reason to ** you, show a fake fit if people ask, don't advertise your fit, don't fleet with people. Trust no one, not even corp mates. Don't mission with anyone if in a player corp, if they insist on salvaging or having your loot drop them a bookmark after the mission, and if they warp in unexpected warp out or log out. Watch local and be aware of ships around you, warp out if ** gets werid or a bunch of bs show up. Have some safe spots in each system if you believe your being hunted. Have all your aligning related skills up to 5. The main one is never go afk while in space, always dock if your not paying attention. Its easiest to just not be in a player corp when fielding mutlibill pve isk printing machines. Never have to worry about war decs or getting killed by corp mates. theres probably more, but its alot of common sense. Best way to play EvE is by not logging in, right?
Jason Farstrider	Posted - 2011.02.10 12:03:00 - [30] Edited by: Jason Farstrider on 10/02/2011 12:05:33 Originally by: stoicfaux If you scare easily, then use a Capacitor Regeneration Matrix, a Medium Shield Booster II, 3x hardeners and a Damage Control Unit II or a 4th Ballistic Control Unit in the lows. You will only be able to mount five launchers, but you'll have a really spiffy tank. Don't do this. Having to replace subsystems later will probably end up costing you more than it saves you! The first fit is very good, though. If you've got plenty tank and you're hurting for DPS vs small targets, you can play around with the mid slots to fit a TP instead of or as well as the rigors. The problem you'll have, I think, is that a suicide ganker is quite likely to see a tengu and just assume that it's a pimped fit. They're not always going to scan you before popping you, and losing the hull + skill is pretty harsh.

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