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Ariada
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Posted - 2011.02.09 13:58:00 -
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I cannot find the answer myself, what the CCP policy againts Trade bot that automaticaly check and update oder ?
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.09 14:09:00 -
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Bots are not allowed. Why do you think you have found a bot?
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Ariada
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Posted - 2011.02.09 14:40:00 -
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i wonder this because trade bot are very easy to locate. No humain can check 305 order when full skill and modify them every X,X second like a machine, day after day. I use to make good money over trade and it take me 15 minute for locate what order are covered by trade macro and what order are not in a trade hub and i dont use program for this...
I played MMO since ultima online and in each case bot& macro finaly kill the games, i know only a game that never suffering from bot, it was because the bot mechanism was included in the game mechanics and was part of the game but its not the case here.
I would be happy if a GM or someone can explain me what technical issues prevent CCP making the whole macro thing harder.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.09 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 09/02/2011 14:46:00
 Originally by: Ariada
i wonder this because trade bot are very easy to locate. No humain can check 305 order when full skill and modify them every X,X second like a machine, day after day. I use to make good money over trade and it take me 15 minute for locate what order are covered by trade macro and what order are not in a trade hub and i dont use program for this...
I played MMO since ultima online and in each case bot& macro finaly kill the games, i know only a game that never suffering from bot, it was because the bot mechanism was included in the game mechanics and was part of the game but its not the case here.
I would be happy if a GM or someone can explain me what technical issues prevent CCP making the whole macro thing harder.
TBH there are less MARKET bots than you think. There are plenty mining and ratting bots, but not market bots. They are not as easy to make as people assume and those that are made often fail. The whole "no human can check 305 orders" etc argument would require that you actually know for a fact that 1 character is checking 305 orders, this would mean you have had to locate all 305 orders that that 1 character trades in, and have been able to keep track of how often they are updated, which would require you yourself to "be a bot" .. and a bot cannot track and update 305 orders much more regularly than a human can due to various technical limitations.
I know this goes against the grain around here, I just have done a lot of looking into the market bot subculture and tbh I've found little evidence that they are as common as people think but LOTS of evidence that when they do appear they are often utter failures and make huge market losses then get banned for being OBVIOUS.
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Bom Barley
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Posted - 2011.02.09 15:22:00 -
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Hey, I'd like to advertise my market tool here.
It's called Eve001Tool, and I created it to help reduce the advantage bot users have on us legit traders, while at the same time it is "eula legal", and safe to use.
With Eve001Tool, you can browse the 152 items (at max skills) you are trading on a char in about 7 minutes. The tools tells you which orders need updating, in a log window. You can copy paste the amounts to go even faster !
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Cucamunga
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Posted - 2011.02.09 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bom Barley
Hey, I'd like to advertise my market tool here.
It's called Eve001Tool, and I created it to help reduce the advantage bot users have on us legit traders, while at the same time it is "eula legal", and safe to use.
With Eve001Tool, you can browse the 152 items (at max skills) you are trading on a char in about 7 minutes. The tools tells you which orders need updating, in a log window. You can copy paste the amounts to go even faster !
IMO its these kind of tools that hurt the game, along with any proper bots that may be out there as well. In the case of your 'tool' the regular eve users cannot compete with users using your product, its simply not possible. Whether its caused by a bot or a tool, its not a level playing field for the vanilla user, and that is what destroys games.
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Vorius
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Posted - 2011.02.09 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cucamunga
Originally by: Bom Barley
Hey, I'd like to advertise my market tool here.
It's called Eve001Tool, and I created it to help reduce the advantage bot users have on us legit traders, while at the same time it is "eula legal", and safe to use.
With Eve001Tool, you can browse the 152 items (at max skills) you are trading on a char in about 7 minutes. The tools tells you which orders need updating, in a log window. You can copy paste the amounts to go even faster !
IMO its these kind of tools that hurt the game, along with any proper bots that may be out there as well. In the case of your 'tool' the regular eve users cannot compete with users using your product, its simply not possible. Whether its caused by a bot or a tool, its not a level playing field for the vanilla user, and that is what destroys games.
Use it or lose it.
Adapt or die.
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Cucamunga
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Posted - 2011.02.09 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vorius
Use it or lose it.
Adapt or die.
Oh I do use it. I have adapted.
My point is, that the vanilla user has not/will not. They are the people that keep the game alive, like it or not.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.09 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cucamunga
Originally by: Vorius
Use it or lose it.
Adapt or die.
Oh I do use it. I have adapted.
My point is, that the vanilla user has not/will not. They are the people that keep the game alive, like it or not.
They are??
It's just another tool, one of many. Would you argue that it's "unfair to vanilla users" that I have several accounts and can buy their net worth out many times over? They can't compete with me already on the market, many items have margins too small for someone with little skill and standing to compete in, and my experience lets me read the markets better than they can. Maybe I am an unfair advantage and destroying the game? heh :)
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Bom Barley
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Posted - 2011.02.09 17:13:00 -
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This is a game. It's not supposed to be fair, or there would be no deception when you loose, no excitement when you win, and thus no incentive to play the game at all. (Which would be very bad for a subscription based business model)
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Optimus Night
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Posted - 2011.02.09 17:38:00 -
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Guys. If you see a bot in the market then REPORT! f12 petition in game!
To bom: Fair is when people just play the game without using tools that are not part of the game.
Im not against PI spreadsheets, EVEmon etc. They give an advantage sure but still its you needed to think , plan and klick. While bots and macros only need the initial start click.
Time for the players to fight against them everywhere. In the markets and in the systems.
We need to pressure CCP to solve this problem. Constantly reporting with Petitions and pushing them to work soemthing out to stop bots.
Otherwise some time in future only bots will play eve 
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Bom Barley
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Posted - 2011.02.09 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Bom Barley on 09/02/2011 18:09:58
Originally by: Optimus Night
Guys. If you see a bot in the market then REPORT! f12 petition in game!
To bom: Fair is when people just play the game without using tools that are not part of the game.
Im not against PI spreadsheets, EVEmon etc. They give an advantage sure but still its you needed to think , plan and klick. While bots and macros only need the initial start click.
Time for the players to fight against them everywhere. In the markets and in the systems.
We need to pressure CCP to solve this problem. Constantly reporting with Petitions and pushing them to work soemthing out to stop bots.
Otherwise some time in future only bots will play eve
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% against botters too. However, my definition of fair is different than yours. If it's allowed by the company developing Eve, then it's fair. They know what's best for the game, because they make a living out of it.
Also, petitioning every zealous trader isn't going to help much. It has been proven already in this thread that to be 100% sure that someone is a bot, you'd have to be a bot yourself.
edit : there you go
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 09/02/2011 14:46:00
TBH there are less MARKET bots than you think. There are plenty mining and ratting bots, but not market bots. They are not as easy to make as people assume and those that are made often fail. The whole "no human can check 305 orders" etc argument would require that you actually know for a fact that 1 character is checking 305 orders, this would mean you have had to locate all 305 orders that that 1 character trades in, and have been able to keep track of how often they are updated, which would require you yourself to "be a bot" .. and a bot cannot track and update 305 orders much more regularly than a human can due to various technical limitations.
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Dallmarr
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Posted - 2011.02.10 00:20:00 -
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(little over a month in game)
I have a trader account, and am only playing with high margin items right now. I check and update every 5 mins with that account while running missions on this account. Someone thought I was a bot in amarr (they dropped their price REALLY low) hoping I would do the same. didn't work ;)
yes, i check and reprice that fast when i am playing
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Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.10 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Jita on 10/02/2011 01:57:23
Why would you complain about finding a market bot? I Have made 2B this month on stupid market bots. You should be celebrating your good fortune.
I WILL GLADLY SCREW OVER ANY MARKET BOT YOU FIND. If you find what you think is a market bot, EVEmail me the name of the character. If I manage to exploit him to great profit, I will split it with you.
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2011.02.10 03:17:00 -
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there were times when my playstile might have seemed botlike. ie playing the .01 isk game for hours and days on 300 orders.
in my experience between 20 and 30 % of the online chars at any time are bots.
ccp would lose 1 million doller monthly income if they would take apropriate measures like removing local or making mining interactive. take your guess what they will do against them.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.10 08:50:00 -
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Using "bots", or automation software, is against the EVE Online EULA and is punishable with an account ban.
If you suspect someone of using such software, please report it using the petition system.
Thread locked.
Spitfire
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