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Xintri Ra'Virr
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Posted - 2011.02.11 08:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Tutskii
Weren't plexes worth SIGNIFICANTLY less when they came out? under 100 mill isk even?
So much for that theory. As for the inflation I think its due to station traders. We continually drive the price of goods down. That and the ability to produce any good.
Since whenever a product goes up in price, the profit margin in making it goes up, more industry people make that product. But then, when selling it, they compete and drive the price down.
The main CCP impact was the fixed insurance that set a bottom price level for minerals but that seems to have changed afaik.
You are all wrong.
Let's do some math then.
Let's say there is 40 000 players online every single second on the server. Each of them is killing 1 rat during game session of the day. Rat is dropping item x ( let's say it is a shield booster ).
So by killing 1 rat dayly they generate 40 000 shield boosters on the market every day.
That will be 280 000 items weekly and 1200000 items monthly.
This should create a flood of shield boosters on the market bringing their price to the worthless level.
Check market stocks now. Do you see any flood? Or maybe stocks are FIXED and amounts of items of every product only vary to the certain point?
I tell you player driven economy is a myth.
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.11 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
Originally by: Tutskii
Weren't plexes worth SIGNIFICANTLY less when they came out? under 100 mill isk even?
So much for that theory. As for the inflation I think its due to station traders. We continually drive the price of goods down. That and the ability to produce any good.
Since whenever a product goes up in price, the profit margin in making it goes up, more industry people make that product. But then, when selling it, they compete and drive the price down.
The main CCP impact was the fixed insurance that set a bottom price level for minerals but that seems to have changed afaik.
You are all wrong.
Let's do some math then.
Let's say there is 40 000 players online every single second on the server. Each of them is killing 1 rat during game session of the day. Rat is dropping item x ( let's say it is a shield booster ).
So by killing 1 rat dayly they generate 40 000 shield boosters on the market every day.
That will be 280 000 items weekly and 1200000 items monthly.
This should create a flood of shield boosters on the market bringing their price to the worthless level.
Check market stocks now. Do you see any flood? Or maybe stocks are FIXED and amounts of items of every product only vary to the certain point?
I tell you player driven economy is a myth.
I run missions for 2-3 hours a day and don't get small shield boosters every day.
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Xintri Ra'Virr
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Posted - 2011.02.11 10:43:00 -
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It was just an example, all i'm trying to say is that volumes of items on the market are too small for that amount of players and looks like being fixed and changes +- 20% maybe.
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Reminora Ho
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Posted - 2011.02.11 10:54:00 -
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Or maybe there is an option in game to convert loot to a other form such as minerals, that are small and easy to transport and sell easy ?
And yes plx buy plex :D
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.11 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
It was just an example, all i'm trying to say is that volumes of items on the market are too small for that amount of players and looks like being fixed and changes +- 20% maybe.
i wouldn't be surprised that most people don't loot at all. and those that do loot, recycle most loot for minerals. there are even people that loot every single item and just toss it in a can, and keep it there.
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Xintri Ra'Virr
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Posted - 2011.02.11 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes
i wouldn't be surprised that most people don't loot at all. and those that do loot, recycle most loot for minerals. there are even people that loot every single item and just toss it in a can, and keep it there.
Not every mission but some of them for sure. Farming AE for 6 days you can make about 200m from loot and salvage and i know ppl who do this regulary.
Anyway the reason for create this post was to calm down plex market a bit.( I've bought xx of them at 325m / piece) After rapid drop 4 day ago the price stabilized at good level for me (323m atm).
Sorry guys for this little manipulation but i had to protect my investment 
Still Plexes are at minimum ( for 6 month time interval).
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.11 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
Originally by: Jagga Spikes
i wouldn't be surprised that most people don't loot at all. and those that do loot, recycle most loot for minerals. there are even people that loot every single item and just toss it in a can, and keep it there.
Not every mission but some of them for sure. Farming AE for 6 days you can make about 200m from loot and salvage and i know ppl who do this regulary.
Anyway the reason for create this post was to calm down plex market a bit.( I've bought xx of them at 325m / piece) After rapid drop 4 day ago the price stabilized at good level for me (323m atm).
Sorry guys for this little manipulation but i had to protect my investment
Still Plexes are at minimum ( for 6 month time interval).
How much effect do you genuinely think this thread had on the plex market? I'd say none, tbh. People don't just run out and buy plex from market because random dude goes "OH BUY PLEX" we're not that ****-stupid with our money.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.02.11 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
This should create a flood of shield boosters on the market bringing their price to the worthless level.
Wrong. It brings those shield boosters to the value of their reprocessed minerals. Which is exactly the situation with most stuff at or under meta 3. Market working as expected.
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Xintri Ra'Virr
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Posted - 2011.02.11 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
How much effect do you genuinely think this thread had on the plex market? I'd say none, tbh. People don't just run out and buy plex from market because random dude goes "OH BUY PLEX" we're not that ****-stupid with our money.
Look i really don't care what was the main reason for plex pirces stop falling but they did. My post was intended to help stabilize those prices. If it help me reach the goal - good, if prices stabilized all by itself and my post had nothing to do with that - also good. In both cases goal is reached.
I just had a few liquid billions to put into something and as i think plexes will rise again to 380m
in coming months it will bring nice profit.
I'm here to increase my wealth not e-peen. If it sounds like that - it was not intended.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
Look i really don't care what was the main reason for plex pirces stop falling but they did.
We'll see if they actually stopped falling or not. Glancing at Jita, it still looks like they're declining to me.
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.11 15:01:00 -
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Crash, baby crash! Daddy needs some "free" game time!
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Mercurius Steele
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Posted - 2011.02.11 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mercurius Steele on 11/02/2011 16:42:50
Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
I just had a few liquid billions to put into something and as i think plexes will rise again to 380m
Ima crash plex just to spite you.
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Xintri Ra'Virr
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Posted - 2011.02.11 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mercurius Steele
Edited by: Mercurius Steele on 11/02/2011 16:42:50
Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
I just had a few liquid billions to put into something and as i think plexes will rise again to 380m
Ima crash plex just to spite you.
Yeah go for it. I will just buy more
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Ami Quintero
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Posted - 2011.02.11 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
Look i really don't care what was the main reason for plex pirces stop falling but they did.
I agree with Tasko. Prices in Jita are what? 326.5 / 316.5?
While I think it would be silly to say "PLEX will never again be 380M", I don't think that's going to happen soon. I think PLEX will stay low for some time now as there's a massive oversupply.
I think you'll get your profit eventually, but I think you'd have been better investing in something else.
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Companion Qube
Minmatar
Electron Conservation Inc
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Posted - 2011.02.11 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
Look i really don't care what was the main reason for plex pirces stop falling but they did.
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They stopped dropping (quickly) for a couple of days, they tend to stabilize and even rise over a the weekend even if the driving trend is down. If you wait until mid week you'll see plex prices drop rapidly again. I'm pretty certain that within a week or two we'll be looking at 310/315, and a week or two after that 305/310 and so on.
tl;dr- there's nothing to stop the current downward trend (yet) don't expect a spike until there is.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2011.02.11 21:36:00 -
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I am not complaining that they are going down...
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Eleonora Skye
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Eleonora Skye on 11/02/2011 22:38:06
Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
Anyway the reason for create this post was to calm down plex market a bit.( I've bought xx of them at 325m / piece) After rapid drop 4 day ago the price stabilized at good level for me (323m atm).
Sorry guys for this little manipulation but i had to protect my investment
Still Plexes are at minimum ( for 6 month time interval).
r o f l... "Ohhh we didn't see coming !" ...I think we'll forgive you son...even regarding the amazing influence you had on the PLEX market. "Protect my investment". Oh my...
Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
Look i really don't care what was the main reason for plex pirces stop falling but they did. My post was intended to help stabilize those prices. If it help me reach the goal - good, if prices stabilized all by itself and my post had nothing to do with that - also good. In both cases goal is reached.
I just had a few liquid billions to put into something and as i think plexes will rise again to 380m
in coming months it will bring nice profit.
I'm here to increase my wealth not e-peen. If it sounds like that - it was not intended.
"l o l". "Me me me, i say "buy plex" so plex stop falling. May be ?" 1) It didn't help at all, obviously but 2) the only thing you actually reached is looking stupid.
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Originally by: Xintri Ra'Virr
You are all wrong.
Let's do some math then.
Let's say there is 40 000 players online every single second on the server. Each of them is killing 1 rat during game session of the day. Rat is dropping item x ( let's say it is a shield booster ).
So by killing 1 rat dayly they generate 40 000 shield boosters on the market every day.
That will be 280 000 items weekly and 1200000 items monthly.
This should create a flood of shield boosters on the market bringing their price to the worthless level.
Check market stocks now. Do you see any flood? Or maybe stocks are FIXED and amounts of items of every product only vary to the certain point?
I tell you player driven economy is a myth.
You are all wrong + your calculations are probably the funniest i've seen for a while. I mean...seriously :
1) There isn't 40K players online H24
2) Each one do not kill a rat each day (btw you start talking about each second and then about "day session", anyway...) : how many just mine ? Trade ? Prod ? Pvp ? We don't know, but OBVIOUSLY, far less than 40k players rat every day.
3) So now you're going to tell me : "that's an average number, some kill 100 rats, others 0". Y, but : "rat is dropping X item". Each one of them ? So the "100 rats" killed by the player who do that, they each drop something ? "..."
4) "Let's say it is a shield booster" : the same single item ?
5) "40 000 shield boosters on the market, do you see any flood" -> ??????????????????????????????????????????????
I must say i'm amazed.
So assuming they all drop something, they all drop the SAME thing, and from this point you calculate it adds "xxxxx items" to the market, which should result in a crash of the prices. 
Ok, nice and what about the OTHERS items ?
Can you believe this ? They all drop different things, so rather than 40k item on a single market, there is x, xx or xxx new items on hundreds of market. And depending on how common they are, they cost more or less. Too hard to understand, really ? Please keep investing your money, we need people like you.
Pointless to say that Tutskii was totally right, but i guess his try to teach you something was as useless as mine is.
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Companion Qube
Minmatar
Electron Conservation Inc
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Posted - 2011.02.11 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Eleonora Skye
angry neckbeard ranting
Stop making the other ****** feel important.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.02.11 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Raid'En
so... until how much will the price drop ?
Probably right after the fanfest.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1411038&page=6#164
i think i'm gonna buy some years of plex a bit before fanfest.
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Commander Go Go
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Posted - 2011.02.12 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Companion Qube
There will be no plex for remaps
There will be no plex for character transfer
While it is true there are no PLEX for remaps, the PLEX for character transfer is implemented and working.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.02.18 12:47:00 -
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Well, 320M didn't last long.
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Lt Frazier
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:19:00 -
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Why spend billions on something that might take months to get your investment back, if your a mission runner fair enough, but if your a trader, you haven't a clue, and best of all you post in MD about it, sure way to get ****** up!
have fun waiting on your return lol :)
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ApophisXP
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Posted - 2011.02.19 17:24:00 -
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I bought a 365 day gtc once for 750m.
Good old days.
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Lores Mastermind
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Posted - 2011.02.20 07:25:00 -
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Oh noes the sky is falling!! Sell Sell Sell!!!!!!
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.02.22 14:16:00 -
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price raised a lot on a night, manipulation ?
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:39:00 -
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It's going up sell sell sell!
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