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Daxine Myth	Posted - 2011.02.10 15:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Daxine Myth on 10/02/2011 15:46:36 Edited by: Daxine Myth on 10/02/2011 15:42:55 I have a Phantasm. Ideally what sort of ships can I take out purely in 1 v 1 pvp? I'm in Caldari High Sec space. Will I be able to take a drake out? I'm ignoring skill points and I'm aware that I have to be careful of older chars that have maxed out their combat skills. Are standard battle ships fitted out in PVE fits ideal targets for Phantams PVP. MY fit 2x Heavy Sansha pulse 1x heavy pulse II 1x small neut 1x microwarp 1x elctro chemical cap booster 2x Invul field II 1x Large shield extender II 1x warp disrupt 2x Heat sink II 1x over drive (faction) rigs: field extender I x 2 EM resist - plugging the massive sansha EM hole My optimum firing is 20km and my kiting speed is 1.2km/s 3x warrior I What ships am I going to be super affective against and what are my main weaknesses and which ships should I have serious reservations against attacking? Thanks.
Drexit	Posted - 2011.02.10 15:53:00 - [2] Youre using 2 lows to boost the dps of a single high? doesnt look too efficient to me. I don't know the phantasm, but where is your dps?
Daxine Myth	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:02:00 - [3] I have 3x High level weapons and 2X Heat sinks. Sorry am I missing something important? I took my fit off battleclinic and modified it slightly by removing a damage control in favour of an over drive to build a slightly higher speed to keep me orbiting my targets at a 20km fast orbit. I think the overdrive will offer better tank than the 10% DCU but I may be wrong.
demonfurbie Minmatar Drunken Wookies BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:06:00 - [4] [Phantasm, pew] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Nosferatu II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x3
Daxine Myth	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:11:00 - [5] [Phantasm, pew] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Domination overdrive Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II x 2 Large Shield Extender II electro chemical Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Sansha Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Sansha Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, scorch Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Nosferatu II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x3 This is my fit, I'm happy but please answer my questions. Not fits I have battleclinic for that. :), Thanks.
Scorpionidae	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:23:00 - [6] You want all T2 guns so you can use scorch cus you is going to be 20km+ Scorpionidae
Zeerover Wolfsbrigade	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Daxine Myth [Phantasm, pew] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Domination overdrive Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II x 2 Large Shield Extender II electro chemical Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Sansha Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Sansha Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, scorch Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Nosferatu II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x3 This is my fit, I'm happy but please answer my questions. Not fits I have battleclinic for that. :), Thanks. Please fit 3 Heavy Pulse Laser II, or 3 Focused Pulse II if your fitting skills aren't up to it. You want to be able to use Scorch on all your guns. Nothing wrong with the mids, and I can understand your choice of the overdrive instead of the DCU, but you should fit the rigs with 1 T2 EM, and 2 T1 polycarbs. You need speed and agility. All the EHP in the World cannot save you if you're not fast and agile in a faction cruiser. This is why everyone uses a Cynabal and only the brave or foolish use a Vigilant. [Phantasm, Phantasm] Overdrive Injector System II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Large Shield Extender II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Nosferatu II Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Warrior II x3 Goes 1850 without overheat (all V, no implants or gangboost), with Snakes, Zor, CMD boost etc it goes 4000+ overheated. At which point you can burn away from anything that can kill you, and kill anything that can keep up.
equincu ocha Sinners.	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:38:00 - [8] Edited by: equincu ocha on 10/02/2011 16:38:24 T2 Lasers = scorch Faction lasers = expensive loss mail Also warrior 2's instead of 1's, if you can't use them then train them up soon, it won't take long Still, I would fly a shield binger over this, although it does look good
MalVortex Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:06:00 - [9] Phantasm is useless in PVP. Ship has immense capacitor issues, is not particularly fast, has low base HP (thanks for that btw ccp), doesn't have the fitting to make use of the two utility highslots, and doesn't have a full dronebay. Its a cool looking ship, so you can pull it out for fancy KM whoring and the like, but in actual serious combat, its just a liability. A proper drake will kill your phantasm without batting an eye. Sell it, buy a few harbingers until you learn how to fit and fly your ships. Faction lasers are beyond useless in pvp (scorch is mandatory), and not fitting a DC to a faction cruiser is suicide.
Songbird	Posted - 2011.03.01 05:27:00 - [10] I've got that same ship and the only use I've found was for lvl 1-3 missions. How is the nightmare one of the best ships in the game and the cruiser version one of the worst, I'd never know.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.01 09:05:00 - [11] Originally by: MalVortex Phantasm is useless in PVP. Ship has immense capacitor issues, is not particularly fast, has low base HP (thanks for that btw ccp), doesn't have the fitting to make use of the two utility highslots, and doesn't have a full dronebay. Its a cool looking ship, so you can pull it out for fancy KM whoring and the like, but in actual serious combat, its just a liability. A proper drake will kill your phantasm without batting an eye. Sell it, buy a few harbingers until you learn how to fit and fly your ships. Faction lasers are beyond useless in pvp (scorch is mandatory), and not fitting a DC to a faction cruiser is suicide. While CCPs decision to nerft it was idiotic, its far from useless. The rest of your post shows your ineptitude in PVP as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Songbird	Posted - 2011.03.04 17:00:00 - [12] is there anything that the said phantasm does better than nano shield harbinger? Other than empty your wallet that is?
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.03.04 17:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Songbird is there anything that the said phantasm does better than nano shield harbinger? Other than empty your wallet that is? The same could be said about the Vaga vs. the Cane: Speed and agility are it's advantages, nothing more.
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.03.04 18:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Tony SoXai Originally by: Songbird is there anything that the said phantasm does better than nano shield harbinger? Other than empty your wallet that is? The same could be said about the Vaga vs. the Cane: Speed and agility are it's advantages, nothing more. The funny thing is that while a typical Vaga, without speed mods fit, still has a decent mobility advantage over the Hurricane, whereas a non-nano'd Phantasm is barely faster than a nano'd Harbinger. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.03.04 18:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Tony SoXai Originally by: Songbird is there anything that the said phantasm does better than nano shield harbinger? Other than empty your wallet that is? The same could be said about the Vaga vs. the Cane: Speed and agility are it's advantages, nothing more. The funny thing is that while a typical Vaga, without speed mods fit, still has a decent mobility advantage over the Hurricane, whereas a non-nano'd Phantasm is barely faster than a nano'd Harbinger. And much more tank and cap than a Vaga with frightening range. Add a nano to your Phantasm instead of a DCU. You still get a good tank with good speed.
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.03.04 18:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Tony SoXai Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Tony SoXai Originally by: Songbird is there anything that the said phantasm does better than nano shield harbinger? Other than empty your wallet that is? The same could be said about the Vaga vs. the Cane: Speed and agility are it's advantages, nothing more. The funny thing is that while a typical Vaga, without speed mods fit, still has a decent mobility advantage over the Hurricane, whereas a non-nano'd Phantasm is barely faster than a nano'd Harbinger. And much more tank and cap than a Vaga with frightening range. Add a nano to your Phantasm instead of a DCU. You still get a good tank with good speed. 2HS+nano phantasm with 1 poly and 2 CDFEs, compared to a Vaga with 2gyro/DC/2TE and 2 CDFE rigs... The Phantasm has a decent DPS advantage between about 15 and 25km (at 22.5km, 420 dps on phantasm to 330 on Vaga), has only 2k more EHP, and is like 900 m/s slower :( I think I'd probably fly the Vaga unless I had snakes - 1600 m/s is too close to hurricane speed for me imo. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.03.04 20:44:00 - [17] Sansha ships need a buff methinks. But how? Better shield tank turns them into pseudo-guristas ships. More speed? They need something more. My rifter can get similar stats, if shield tanked, to a succubus with a web. Pretty pathetic.
Meeko Atari	Posted - 2011.03.04 20:59:00 - [18] I love this ship, however I do feel it is lacking compared to the other pirate faction ships, and is very cap dependent but with a friend or some bonuses in system it can be a very scary thing to run across. Here is my current fit, the single LSE II didn't offer enough staying power during most normal fights I ran across, so I tried a lol 3x extender fit and have had some real luck with it. Lets face it, you will not get a 1 vs 1 unless you pre-arrange it flying a pirate ship around! [Phantasm, Buffer] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Small Nosferatu II Small Nosferatu II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hornet II x3 GL!
Maz3r Rakum Gallente The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.03.04 21:09:00 - [19] http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=175486 Phantasim is pretty meh tbh
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.03.04 21:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Maz3r Rakum http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=175486 Phantasim is pretty meh tbh What'd you use, ecm drones? I don't see that outdpsing him at any range.
Maz3r Rakum Gallente The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.03.06 05:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Maz3r Rakum on 06/03/2011 05:07:49 Dual Rep rupture actually. I had RF fusion loaded unfortunately. overheated mwd+scram ftw.

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