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Jon Taggart
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:44:00 -
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I noticed that some of my skills are taking an unusually long time to train. For instance, training Minmatar Frigate to 4 will take 1D 17H, but I remember on my other character it was only ~20 hours.
How many points am I returned if I do an attribute remap? Does it only allow me to reset my character's base stats?
Also, would anyone mind pointing me in the direction of an attribute build guide of sorts? I'd like to train more combat oriented skills, but most of the ones seem a tad outdated and were released prior to the learning skill changes. Not sure if they remain current or not.
Thank you very much for your time.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:49:00 -
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what are your current stats and what implants have you got
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Jon Taggart
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Taggart on 10/02/2011 16:58:08
 Originally by: RaTTuS
what are your current stats and what implants have you got
Hey, thanks for the reply. Currently my stats are:
21 Intelligence
21 Perception
20 Charisma
21 Willpower
21 Memory
This is with a set of Limited (+1) implants.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.02.10 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Taggart
For instance, training Minmatar Frigate to 4 will take 1D 17H, but I remember on my other character it was only ~20 hours.
How long ago did you train it on your other character?
Up until december new characters got a 100% bonus to training speed for the first 1.6m skillpoints. After december the 100% bonus was removed in favor of removing learning skills and giving everyone an attribute increase.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2011.02.10 17:04:00 -
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Every skill has two attributes, a primary and a secondary. You can 60 SP per hour for each attribute point that you have in the skill's primary attribute and 30 SP per hour for each attribute point that you have in the skill's secondary attribute. Ship and weapon skills tend to have Perception/Willpower as the primary/secondary attributes. Fitting and tanking skills tend to have Intellegence/Memory as the primary/secondary attributes.
Attribute remaps do not give you skill points back. They allow you to shift attribute points so that you can train some skills faster while training other skills slower. Attribute remaps are most useful when you have a training plan that focuses on one branch of skills and will stick to that plan for atleast a year.
The effect of removing the learning skills is basicly the same as giving everyone all of the learning skills. Therefore, you can still use the older guides, just assume that you have all the learning skills pretrained.
The other detail that was changed is that the 100% train bonus was removed because everyone is now starting with much higher attributes. If you had trained Minmatar Frigate 4 while the bonus was in effect, that could explain the difference in training times that you are seeing. If you waited and trained Minmatar Frigate 4 after the bonus had expired, it would likely have taken longer to train.
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Jon Taggart
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Posted - 2011.02.10 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dian'h Might
Originally by: Jon Taggart
For instance, training Minmatar Frigate to 4 will take 1D 17H, but I remember on my other character it was only ~20 hours.
How long ago did you train it on your other character?
Up until december new characters got a 100% bonus to training speed for the first 1.6m skillpoints. After december the 100% bonus was removed in favor of removing learning skills and giving everyone an attribute increase.
I do recall them changing that. If my memory doesn't fail, the skill was trained as a crossover into Minmatar flying, so he was well-past the 1.6mil threshold. I just logged onto him to double-check, and another Rank 1 skill to 4 yields the same result; ~20H, but then again he has beta implants (+3) and the character was made when you could alter base stats during the creation process.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2011.02.10 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Taggart
I just logged onto him to double-check, and another Rank 1 skill to 4 yields the same result; ~20H, but then again he has better implants (+3) and the character was made when you could alter base stats during the creation process.
The frigate skills are rank 2, therefore they will take twice as long to train as a rank 1 skill.
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Jon Taggart
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Posted - 2011.02.10 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Taggart on 10/02/2011 17:12:54
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Jon Taggart
I just logged onto him to double-check, and another Rank 1 skill to 4 yields the same result; ~20H, but then again he has better implants (+3) and the character was made when you could alter base stats during the creation process.
The frigate skills are rank 2, therefore they will take twice as long to train as a rank 1 skill.
Well, that might have something to do with it  . Yep, 1D 16H for Rank 2 to 4 train on my other character  .
Ah being a newb again. That clears things up, but I'll still pursue a remap.
Thanks alot guys.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.10 19:11:00 -
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You might want to look into the newest release candidate of evemon. The last official release was before the learning skill changes. That'll help you put together a good long skill plan and set your attribute remap.
Also, it doesn't really work "points returned." You have a base number of attribute points and anything on top of them you can move around through a remap. I think it's 17 base points or something, I didn't bother memorizing it because there's nothing you can do about them anyway. Also, be aware that when you use your last available remap you've got a 12 month cooldown before you get another one.
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