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Tebori sangtoff	Posted - 2011.02.10 17:58:00 - [1] Since entering the wonderful world of lvl5 agents, I've noticed a horrible trend in there offerings.....Rogue Spy.....a mission which I reckon is offered 50%+ of the time. I recently had the mission offered 3 times on the trot after declining it. Now, I know and understand these dog S@it missions are offered to keep the balance, but why is the agent offering it 3 times in a row when I clearly don't want to do it. Before people flame about 'isk farming waaaaa' if someone has worked their ass off to get the standings up for lvl5, and spent the time and iskies on cap ships, then I think they're allowed to get some nice blitzable missions for some decent iskies without getting bombarded with *******s missions. So mods, why are we plagued with a rediculous percentage of Rogue spy missions?
Goose99	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:05:00 - [2] Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Buwah... Lvl5s should either all be gated or moved to highsec to prevent carrier blitizing which is deflating LP value.
Kesshisan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:06:00 - [3] I have a coin. I flipped it three times and it came up on heads only. Clearly my sample size of three is enough to justify a conclusion that my coin must be defective.
Tebori sangtoff	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:07:00 - [4] Lvl5s should either all be gated or moved to highsec to prevent carrier blitizing which is deflating LP value. Or, you could get of high sec and start doing low sec missions.
Tebori sangtoff	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Kesshisan I have a coin. I flipped it three times and it came up on heads only. Clearly my sample size of three is enough to justify a conclusion that my coin must be defective. That logic is based on a 50/50 outcome, but good effort. You're also assuming that my complaint is based purely on the '3 times' Rogue Spy came up on the trot, If so where would I get 50%+ from. Infact, it comes from the overall lvl5's which I have done, and, been offered a stupid amount of Rogue Spys.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Lvl5s should either all be gated or moved to highsec to prevent carrier blitizing which is deflating LP value. Or, you could get of high sec and start doing low sec missions. Of course, FW missions in a sb pays well. But I believe we were talking about your 1337 carebearness in a carrier deflating LP value while whinning it's not easy enough.
Kesshisan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Tebori sangtoff That logic is based on a 50/50 outcome, but good effort. Agreed. This was a stretch. Originally by: Tebori sangtoff You're also assuming that my complaint is based purely on the '3 times' Rogue Spy came up on the trot, If so where would I get 50%+ from. Infact, it comes from the overall lvl5's which I have done, and, been offered a stupid amount of Rogue Spys. Until I develop a way to read your mind via TCP/IP I am stuck with only the information you provide me to work with. If you were to post a complete mission list of the last 100 missions your agent has given you (and I still hold that 100 is also too small a sample size) I would be happy to present you with a more accurate percentage of "Rogue spy" missions you receive. But somehow I feel you're smart enough to do that on your own, which makes me wonder...why are you posting this in the first place?
Tebori sangtoff	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Lvl5s should either all be gated or moved to highsec to prevent carrier blitizing which is deflating LP value. Or, you could get of high sec and start doing low sec missions. Of course, FW missions in a sb pays well. But I believe we were talking about your 1337 carebearness in a carrier deflating LP value while whinning it's not easy enough. Actually, you were whinning about the deflating LP value. You're also right, it makes a lot more sense spending hours grinding lvl4's in high sec for 1/7 the reward....or not. So you're calling people who do the logical thing carebears? Actually, I would call it intelligent, maybe if you used yours you could be earning more than 100m/hour running level 4's.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Lvl5s should either all be gated or moved to highsec to prevent carrier blitizing which is deflating LP value. Or, you could get of high sec and start doing low sec missions. Of course, FW missions in a sb pays well. But I believe we were talking about your 1337 carebearness in a carrier deflating LP value while whinning it's not easy enough. Actually, you were whinning about the deflating LP value. You're also right, it makes a lot more sense spending hours grinding lvl4's in high sec for 1/7 the reward....or not. So you're calling people who do the logical thing carebears? Actually, I would call it intelligent, maybe if you used yours you could be earning more than 100m/hour running level 4's. Enjoy your Rogue Spies.
Tebori sangtoff	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Kesshisan Originally by: Tebori sangtoff That logic is based on a 50/50 outcome, but good effort. Agreed. This was a stretch. Originally by: Tebori sangtoff You're also assuming that my complaint is based purely on the '3 times' Rogue Spy came up on the trot, If so where would I get 50%+ from. Infact, it comes from the overall lvl5's which I have done, and, been offered a stupid amount of Rogue Spys. Until I develop a way to read your mind via TCP/IP I am stuck with only the information you provide me to work with. If you were to post a complete mission list of the last 100 missions your agent has given you (and I still hold that 100 is also too small a sample size) I would be happy to present you with a more accurate percentage of "Rogue spy" missions you receive. But somehow I feel you're smart enough to do that on your own, which makes me wonder...why are you posting this in the first place? "So mods, why are we plagued with a rediculous percentage of Rogue spy missions?" - this is the actual question directed at people who may know the answer, not just people looking to flame. What this post was saying is that overall, Rogue Spy missions are offered considerably more than any other mission. On numerous occasions it has been offered straight after declining it. I'm sure if someone could be bothered to tally the last 100 mission offerings there would be a massive unjustified difference in % of Rogue Spy. If you do invent a way to read minds via TCP/IP then you could probably buy CCP, and fix the problem at source (although i'm sure you'd be more inclined to keep it the same, just to irritate people such as myself

Tebori sangtoff	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Lvl5s should either all be gated or moved to highsec to prevent carrier blitizing which is deflating LP value. Or, you could get of high sec and start doing low sec missions. Of course, FW missions in a sb pays well. But I believe we were talking about your 1337 carebearness in a carrier deflating LP value while whinning it's not easy enough. Actually, you were whinning about the deflating LP value. You're also right, it makes a lot more sense spending hours grinding lvl4's in high sec for 1/7 the reward....or not. So you're calling people who do the logical thing carebears? Actually, I would call it intelligent, maybe if you used yours you could be earning more than 100m/hour running level 4's. Enjoy your Rogue Spies. Enjoy you level4's
Cambarus Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker	Posted - 2011.02.10 19:03:00 - [12] You guys do know that if you get offered a mission you've just declined that a GM will go and reroll it for you yeh?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.10 19:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Buwah... Lvl5s should either all be gated or moved to highsec to prevent carrier blitizing which is deflating LP value. because moving them to highsec and having afk rattlesnake running is a better choice!
Tebori sangtoff	Posted - 2011.02.11 02:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Cambarus You guys do know that if you get offered a mission you've just declined that a GM will go and reroll it for you yeh? No? Elaborate please.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.02.11 02:30:00 - [15] Rogue spy does seem to come up more than most of the other missions. It's not 3x as often, but it is disproportionate. I make that claim from 2 years of running them. On the flip side, the big sting is an exceedingly exotic mission. Like rogue spy, it's a 3 part series but unlike rogue spy, it's a very rare sight. In any case, rogue spy isn't that bad of a mission. I run it with a vargur/augoror duo. The vargur does all the killing and tanking, the augoror cloaks until all the stuff spawns then cap transfers. Pretty quick and easy all things considered. And the minerals are very handy in low sec. Shuttle a BPC down and you've got yourself a shiny new BC or two. As for deflating LP values, which do you think does more? The 100 or so players running lvl5's or the 100k+ running lvl4's? Yes, lvl5's runners do have a noticeable impact on LP values of certain items but the lvl4 runners are far worse as a group. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Belthazor4011	Posted - 2011.02.11 10:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Originally by: Cambarus You guys do know that if you get offered a mission you've just declined that a GM will go and reroll it for you yeh? No? Elaborate please. And the gullible award goes to...
Tyfuz	Posted - 2011.02.11 10:52:00 - [17] Haha, i know the feeling. "No, I DON'T want Rogue Spy, don't offer it me again."
Tebori sangtoff	Posted - 2011.02.11 11:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Belthazor4011 Originally by: Tebori sangtoff Originally by: Cambarus You guys do know that if you get offered a mission you've just declined that a GM will go and reroll it for you yeh? No? Elaborate please. And the gullible award goes to...
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2011.02.11 16:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Cambarus You guys do know that if you get offered a mission you've just declined that a GM will go and reroll it for you yeh? This, actually. Originally by: Revelations Patchnotes If a player declines a mission from an agent, the agent will not give the same mission again the next time. Linkage And bugreport which agent gave the same mission twice or more in a row so it can be fixed.
HowardStern	Posted - 2011.02.11 22:29:00 - [20] It takes 20 minutes, just do it. ;p And I love the fail quoting in this thread, good work on that. o7

Iseult Kross	Posted - 2011.02.22 15:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Nika Dekaia Originally by: Cambarus You guys do know that if you get offered a mission you've just declined that a GM will go and reroll it for you yeh? This, actually. Originally by: Revelations Patchnotes If a player declines a mission from an agent, the agent will not give the same mission again the next time. Linkage And bugreport which agent gave the same mission twice or more in a row so it can be fixed. I Petitioned rogue spy coming up twice in a row after declining it, and received this reply: "Hi, For now the agent can offer again the same missions but it's possible to refuse one offer every four hours without standing penalty. Maybe in the future the dev team will modify that again, unfortunately I don't know more than you about this topic. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to contact us again." On one agent I've received the mission 9/20 times, and it is by far the most commonly offered mission on all my lvl 5 agents.
Iseult Kross	Posted - 2011.02.22 18:48:00 - [22] This is ridiculous, I've now received this mission for the 3rd time, after declining it a second time on the same agent, much like the op. This has gotta be fixed.
Kael'Jierr	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:22:00 - [23] Actually this mission is the best imho... since you can easily blitz it in a stealth bomber: -burn toward structure, when local message appears, cloak and head straight up -continue to move up while waiting for spawns to complete -when you are over 70km from nearest neut tower, decloak, hit AB and proceed to kill alvus queens (nearest BS group) -when you approach your range cap of 120km (you're range rigged with sensor booster and javs, right?) drop a can and orbit at 5km -kill BC group that spawns after death of queens -kill BS group that spwans after death of BC -15 mins or so + travel lather, rinse, repeat, enjoy your LP very rarely the neut tower will still aggro you, warp and reposition
Diz Trakta	Posted - 2011.02.22 20:00:00 - [24] I have done alot of research into this. I've considered the number of overall missions offered, the number of different types of missions, and all of the associated rewards. Having considered all that, when you take into account the random generator employed by CCP, and the number of pilots accessing all l5 agents across the universe, the conclusion becomes clearer: You're a sook and need to harden the hell up!
Iseult Kross	Posted - 2011.02.22 21:13:00 - [25] I'm not debating the difficulty of the mission (I'd rather not waste my time doing it) but rather the obvious frequency with which it occurs compared to other missions.
Slotos	Posted - 2011.03.12 07:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Kael'Jierr (you're range rigged with sensor booster and javs, right?) 800 DPS brawler bomber finishes this mission with less risk in about 5-7 minutes after everything spawns. With additional benefit of having MSE fitted. And it could be considered a ceptor pilot training due to transversal being the key to survival. PS: Psst, Coercer can do this mission solo, given you're bored.
Dawn Black	Posted - 2011.03.12 11:10:00 - [27] Edited by: Dawn Black on 12/03/2011 11:11:56 The devs intended this for it to work this way.. It is their way of getting rid of more and more caldari mission runners. Now for the very, very few systems with lvl 5's that are actually usable and not being overrun by tons of gankers, i'd say they are just pushing everyone back into empire again.. Clearly remember a time not so long ago where they intended to get more players into low-sec... But ah well. they lack incompetence in most of any area so who cares anymore? But on the topic, offering this many drone missions on a say a caldari agent is kind of stupid since they are almost impossible to do unless you are working with a 3 man group.
Perramas Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures	Posted - 2011.03.12 15:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Dawn Black Edited by: Dawn Black on 12/03/2011 11:11:56they lack incompetence in most of any area Im pretty sure you do not know what incompetence means.
Dawn Black	Posted - 2011.03.18 13:58:00 - [29] Edited by: Dawn Black on 18/03/2011 13:58:08 Pretty fking screwed.. Rogue spy being offered 1 out of 3 missions... you decline it and get offered another crap mission and after that.. rogue spy again... wonderfull... Done fot the day again. And a -0.8 standing hit... lolz.. CCP get your fking act together or scrap lvl 5's alltogether.. Hard enough as it is with all the probing crap flying around.
Klament R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.18 14:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Dawn Black Edited by: Dawn Black on 12/03/2011 11:11:56 Clearly remember a time not so long ago where they intended to get more players into low-sec... But ah well. I believe CCP was trying to get more people into zero sec.....not low sec.



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