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Pointof Desire	Posted - 2011.02.13 22:00:00 - [1] Ok, serious questions here. Let's call it a poll. If you were a carebear (I know it pains you to think about it, but let's JUST PRETEND FOR A 'MO and be honest with your answers) and you were offered a ransom to save your ship and implants (about to be podded by a Heavy Interdictor). 1. Would you pay the ransom for 50mil. (let's say implants and ship was worth 200mil.) 2. What do you think are the odds the pirate will let you go? 2a. What things would you look at before paying... kill record?, Bio? etc. 3. Should your agreement with the "spokesman" carry for the group? 3a. Do you think it will carry through for the group. 4. What things should you do/say to insure you get away after payment? 5. If they don't let you go, and pod you anyway after payment, what should you do or not do. 6. Would you change your answers above depending on 0.0, WH, or LS space? Thanks for your answers, and please leave relevant experiences below...
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.13 22:02:00 - [2] Never pay ransoms. The corps that actually honour them are in the vast minority.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Certified Household Sweeping Consulting	Posted - 2011.02.13 22:04:00 - [3] we always take random
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.02.13 22:09:00 - [4] Haven't ever been in the situation, but here is what I think I would do (if I didn't panic haha): 1) Yes (if I had that much). 2) 50/50 (without knowing the person). 2a) Bio and corp. However, I will likely still pay no matter what I see. 3) IMO yes. 3a) 50/50. 4) I would try "half now, half after I get away" (and pray they don't think I'm just buying time for friends to show up). I would also NOT smack talk. And I would not say anything in local once private chat has been started. 5) Don't smack talk, it just makes you look silly. Really, just live with the loss, and hope you didn't lose all of your ISK. 6) Not really. Though in WH, I might just ask them to pod me anyway, depending on if I had a way back to Empire.
Cebit FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.02.13 22:27:00 - [5] Most of the serious pirating corps out in lowsec enforce a strickt policy of honoring the ransome, with the isk payd back if by some missunderstanding killed after pay'd, and in more serious cases even booting their members who repetedly don't uphold pay's ransoms.. not all are like that ofc, but most of them i know of operate that way. The Rustbucket Outlaw
Oscillation Overthruster	Posted - 2011.02.13 23:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn we always take random Says the man who was seen saying "too bad salvagers can't scram". That was funny. LOL!
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.13 23:37:00 - [7] Just point them to your reputation thread and then if they want the 50m they'll let you go.
I likegirls Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.14 00:18:00 - [8] Nah. I'd self destruct my ship, and tell them if they didn't pay me the ransom which they were demanding of me to pay that I wouldn't stop the self destruct.
Grace Wing Gallente Duane Barry Fan Club	Posted - 2011.02.14 00:32:00 - [9] There is no such thing as ransoming. It's a scam. Basically you scam some poor SOB out of 50mil or so before you kill him. The people who "honor" ransoms are carebears.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.02.14 00:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Grace Wing There is no such thing as ransoming. It's a scam. Basically you scam some poor SOB out of 50mil or so before you kill him. The people who "honor" ransoms are carebears. Well those "carebares" are the only reason anyone bothers to pay ransoms. So be grateful.

Grace Wing Gallente Duane Barry Fan Club	Posted - 2011.02.14 00:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard Well those "carebares" are the only reason anyone bothers to pay ransoms. So be grateful. People pay ransoms for the same reason people fall for contract scams in Jita.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2011.02.14 01:57:00 - [12] As a pirate; my answer is don't pay. I always honored my ransoms and only flew with people who did the same, but the fact is, you just don't know. I don't even bother ransoming people anymore. I just kill them and hope they have nice loot.
shakedatazz	Posted - 2011.02.14 02:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Pointof Desire Ok, serious questions here. Let's call it a poll. If you were a carebear (I know it pains you to think about it, but let's JUST PRETEND FOR A 'MO and be honest with your answers) and you were offered a ransom to save your ship and implants (about to be podded by a Heavy Interdictor). 1. Would you pay the ransom for 50mil. (let's say implants and ship was worth 200mil.) 2. What do you think are the odds the pirate will let you go? 2a. What things would you look at before paying... kill record?, Bio? etc. 3. Should your agreement with the "spokesman" carry for the group? 3a. Do you think it will carry through for the group. 4. What things should you do/say to insure you get away after payment? 5. If they don't let you go, and pod you anyway after payment, what should you do or not do. 6. Would you change your answers above depending on 0.0, WH, or LS space? Thanks for your answers, and please leave relevant experiences below... 1. Yes, if I knew I could not otherwise get out of the situation AND i was confident they would honor the ransom. 2. Most pirates I've been bested by honored the ransom (although they had a cheap demand) 2a. Honestly, most ransoms occur so fast you don't have time for this. 3. Yes. 3a. See #2. 4. Once paid, you should be spamming warp to a gate/station. 5. Do - Remember the gang's members, and don't pay them again. Don't - make a thread and ***** about it. This is EVE. HTFU. 6. In 0.0 or against war targets, I'd never pay. In WH space, I'd asked them to pod me. Lowsec is the only place i'd consider paying. My corporation has a designated 'hostage negotiator', usually the FC. The FC invites the target to our ransom channel which has a MOTD along the lines of "turn off all modules, stop your ship, pay the ransom and you go free." If the victim pays, we keep the target locked while our fleet warps off. (While we are waiting for payment, we continue shooting just enough to keep shields/armor from regenerating. We will neut if we can). If they do not pay, we destroy the ship, scramble the pod and begin the ransom process all over again
raney ilara	Posted - 2011.02.14 02:40:00 - [14] I never pay ....at worst that's just throwing good money after bad; at best you are making yourself a future target. Though I did have a pirate pay me one time... because I wished him a good night after he blew my ship and I got away in my pod.
psycho freak Minmatar Alcohlics Anonymous Fear.	Posted - 2011.02.14 03:02:00 - [15] Edited by: psycho freak on 14/02/2011 03:03:14 most lo-sec pvper's iv flown with honor randsoms but normly only randsom pods, ships are like piniata's never know wot they drop some lo-sec corps make isk from camps and such so it is in they intrest to accept the randsom you do get a few trigger happy guys who will pop your pod b4 u get chance to awnser we normly offer a 30m fee per pod unless we think u got imps then could go up to 500m best advise is IF you get the option of randsom dont move / dont smack / dont take to long to decide if you gona pay or not but way i see it 30m is nowt and worth the risk just to not start your jurney from your med clone bay - the clone price we get a few who smack wen randsomed and the guys just laugh on coms post the tears on our foroum for lulz :) my advise if it resnoble price wot u got to loose your dead anyways if dnt try psycho
Mighty Dread Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.14 03:36:00 - [16] If EVE was set up so that it was far more attractive for pirates to ransom than blow up a ship and pod then you might see more ransoming. Pirate by definition: One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation. That means profiting is of the utmost concern to the pirate.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.02.14 08:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Oscillation Overthruster Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn we always take random Says the man who was seen saying "too bad salvagers can't scram". That was funny. LOL! Make that "too bad salvagers can't scream", and I'm all for it. Would love to hear the orchestra of carebear tears all over Empire. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Kikkoman6 Amarr NON PROPERO	Posted - 2011.02.14 17:42:00 - [18] Get an in-corp friend with a frigate. Meet him at random points in a system and have him blow up your noob ship. Practice warping your pod out before he can point you. -----------
kiki mo Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2011.02.14 18:39:00 - [19] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Just point them to your reputation thread and then if they want the 50m they'll let you go. Posting in a thread that references the AkJon Ferguson reputation thread
Alcarius	Posted - 2011.02.14 19:05:00 - [20] I am an American and as such I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Barrii	Posted - 2011.02.14 19:13:00 - [21] We rarely ransom. As half the time the carebears just self destruct. The few occasions where we have offered, and the carebear has paid, we have honored it.
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.02.14 20:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Alcarius I am an American and as such I don't negotiate with terrorists. Then what was the bank bailout? ----------sig------------------------- A Higher grade of posting Originally by: CCP Mitnal Beware of the revenge of elves for the non-believers.
insanebe Caldari draketrain	Posted - 2011.02.14 20:29:00 - [23] we honor ransoms but no one ever chooses to pay the "state militia fine"
SaltyandSweet Amarr Steady Mobbin The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.14 20:41:00 - [24] i wqs held for a ransom by some guy from the space police or some** when i first went into lowsec, i told em to suck my **.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.02.14 21:02:00 - [25] Go down talking smack. They can pry modules off of my ships vented corpse, but they'll get none of my isk. Originally by: Infinity Ziona Your avatar makes me want to follow you to a rural farmstead, give you all my worldly goods and call you The Aiwha.
Syndryna	Posted - 2011.02.14 22:00:00 - [26] Originally by: kiki mo Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Just point them to your reputation thread and then if they want the 50m they'll let you go. Posting in a thread that references the AkJon Ferguson reputation thread You have just earned +1 AkJonsons. Congrats!
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.02.14 23:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Le Poupon Originally by: Alcarius I am an American and as such I don't negotiate with terrorists. Then what was the bank bailout? They have to create terrorists first, so they have someone to not negotiate with later. -


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