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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 12:55:00 -
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[Vigilant, Passive]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Damage Control II
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Hammerhead II x5
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 13:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 13:23:47
With 2 90% webs aren't you going to want Void, and/or a long point, and still be weak to neuting?
Edit: lol rigs, nevermind. 
void is still fail against same hull class / smaller
faction or GTFO
and why bother flying a faction ship when u put **** mods on it ?
sure it would be weak to neuting. pick better fights.
use the BONUSES..........
if u want to fit **** mods to a vigilant your better off flying a failmos/thorax
just my 2 cents
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 13:45:44
and that makes it bad ?
maybe i have HG slaves ?
i didn't say anyone had to fit it like this.
OP asked "What builds are you guys using?"
oh yea and the rigs are around 300mil.......
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 16/02/2011 13:52:04
Originally by: Dark Assassin15
[Vigilant, Passive]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Damage Control II
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
I especially like its ability to quickly close range, top stuff.
FW: awesome fits, awesome pvp'ers.
i pulled those from your last post so you can see them
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Webs how do they work ?????
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Butzewutze
Bullshlt detected!
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: KWyz
Weren't Serpentis ships admired by many pvp-ers because they basically represent a fix to everyhing that's currently plaguing(is that how you spell it?) Gallente vessels?(namely massive fitting issues).
From what i've seen, serp stuff take after the other gal philosophy(the one that's not about drones), massive firepower at close ranges.(hence we have the Vindicator blasting everything in its path), with bonused webs so they don't get away(provided they're somehow tanked well enough to do that in time :P ).
Basically the heavyweights in the brawler section.
this guy either A) is really smart
or B) actually flies a vigilant.
he is RIGHT.
if your going to be close u need a FREAKIN TANK
this thing gets blaster bonuses and we bonuses
without the PG/CPU issues that plague gall
Thank you for actually knowing what your saying before posting.
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: freshspree
Get and fit 3 diemosts for the same iskies. Apart from that i think it's ok if you pick your targets carefully. Not a hybrid kinda guy atm.
i agree. if you don't have the iskies to lose, fit a diemost/thorax
the op asked for vigilant fittings though.
and the vigi is far more superior to the diemost/thorax
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize
I still really think that with 2 90% webs and a scrambler on someone, you'll want that extra 10% dps from T2 ammo. And yes, you aren't going to catch anything that doesn't want to be within 18km and caught by you. As for using the falloff bonus etc
[Vigilant, PvP pimped a bit]
Damage Control II
Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
230dps more than your stupidly rigged thing. But what do I know.
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
^^ your rigs ????????
thats a GIMP vigilant fit.
your logic is failsauce.
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize
I must encounter more idiots than you guys or something.
Indeed
Fixed it for you.
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 16:40:30
I must encounter more neuts and less frigates than you guys or something. Or not want to be kited to death, and don't expect my targets to let me land on them in k-space.
Go small cap booster (still navy 400s) and a trimark if you want. Even 2 trimarks if you can avoid explosive damage and take em instead, magically.
even using a small cap booster with your proposed fit, still requires that u use atleast 1 ACR
tank still gimped
still has a gimped fit due to MWD
only 1 web
still using a CB, now a small CB still wasted slot.
Long Point still ?
if u want three trimarks with your fit then i think u might have to downgrade to ions.
once again GIMPED.
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC?
TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits.
once again i can understand what your saying.
but i pick my fights.
i don't roam around in this fit
i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else.
with all that in mind........
i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Dark Assassin15
Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 17:18:02
Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC?
TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits.
once again i can understand what your saying.
but i pick my fights.
i don't roam around in this fit
i use it when i know what i'm fighting as should anyone else.
with all that in mind........
i still wouldn't EVER fit my vigi like yours. EVER.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Daneel+Trevize#knownShips
do you even own a vigilant ?
You are trying way too hard and making yourself look like a moron in the process. Then again, maybe that is your goal.
cool story bro.
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize
No I don't own a Vigilant, I looked at it and never quite decided it was worth it for the limitations I couldn't get around. If 1 cheap BC wants you dead before you or your mates have killed it, you're probably going down.
Me 1
Me 2
Not much I know but I fly a Proteus with quite a bit of success, and have used Astarte, Ashimmu, Arazu and even Deimos almost without loss, though as my experience has grown I find Scorch or Winmatar are indeed the way forward.
But back to this business of knowing your every opponent and not roaming... so you're staying in 1 system with alts & corpmates to ensure you're safe to gank a frig in a bil isk cruiser?
i didn't say i knew them, all i said was that i pick my fights
i also don't just fly the vigilant.
DA - Known Ships
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Posted - 2011.02.16 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 18:25:51
Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 18:18:57
I'm confused, now you have 1/3 the kills and you've killed 3 more things with a Vigilant than you have in a pod...
FWIW OP, shield Vigilants and Adrestia were/are ripping up the FFAs on Sisi. Try them out with meta4 webs unless you can bargain some faction stuff. Mail me if you want a Vig and there's none available.
and you sir have killed 0 things in a vigi
I'm going to stop here. just be sure you let me put your vigi on my kb,
when u finally buy and use one. lol
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Posted - 2011.02.16 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 18:49:09
Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Originally by: Daneel Trevize
...I don't own a Vigilant...
Originally by: Dark Assassin15
and you sir have killed 0 things in a vigi
Needz m0ar 90% webz 2 keep up!!1
I would 1v1 your Vig fit in my Ashimmu any time, just say when, please.
yea cause i would totally do that.
and i would 1v1 your ashimmu in my rupture, point ?
and if your ashimmu fit is anything like your proposed vigi fit
im sure its a failure.
your a cool guy.
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Wait so Rupture > 1bil Vigilant? Why is that? The lack of cap booster, or the lack of mwd, or the blasters, or the isk, or what?
Back to the ship and basics, if a blaster boat is fail without a scram and a web, what's wrong with having just 1 web that's as good at slowing the enemy as a scram, but also keeps their sig huge and drains their cap? Midslots are precious, but CCP just gave you a 2 for 1 special, why pack 2? To control a second target that's already within 18km?
so if this thread was talking about a winmatar ship would you still offer a 1v1 against your ashimmu ?
OF COURSE NOT....
you will attempt to counter my ship/race
OF COURSE......
would i solo engage a ashimmu in a vigi ????
OF COURSE NOT....
you prove nothing.
the noobs you pvp and ME have nothing in common.
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Dark Assassin15
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Posted - 2011.02.16 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 19:34:15
I can't help but think you're agreeing with me. You fit a ship to work with its strengths and mitigate its weaknesses.
Why do only you get to know the enemy and dictate the engagement? Vs said Ashimmu you're under a long point, with only an ab, and can't get away, or into point range without being neuted dry in 1 cycle. Vs a Cynabal, again you're kited to death, you can't get away or hit it. Packing different drones you might have a lucky jam to flee with. In fact vs any other faction cruiser I can think of, you're ****ed the same way. Phantasm, kited like the Ashimmu would. Gila, lol you're goint to be kited and maybe die to a Gila, or just shoot its drones and it'll leave.
You surely need to expect people to try and not get close to the blaster boat. And to neut it if they can, or bring neuts/TDs if they expect to meet it with any regularity. If they do get/start close, what's a second, stacking penalized web going to get you that a different mid isn't? If you're vs a frig, again pack some bloody warriors + ec300s. Put a TD of your own in the new spare mid rather than another web.
Yes there's no ubersolopwn ship, but this one has some real limitations to consider despite the fact CCP give it bonuses to work around usual blaster boat ones.
i kind of agree.
every ship has a weakness, you just happen to focus on other ships vs the topic at hand
i believe the OP wanted to know what fits we use on our vigilant. talking about what ships can counter it and how are besides the point. we can talk about counters vs every ship in the game. still doesn't prove your point of my vigilant fit failing against your 3x ACR fit vigilant.
i posted a fit that i have used.
you post crap about it being weak to neuts, weak to kite, blah blah
every ship is weak to something, they have there strengths & weaknesses . thats the good thing about eve is that its pretty balanced.
not saying that your tactics are wrong or anything like that, I'm just giving you my opinion
i would not fly my vigilant like that
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Posted - 2011.02.16 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 20:34:20
Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 20:02:06
And I think yours is weak to almost everything, unlessthey end up within scrambler range, so I felt the need to warn the OP of that.
And I think "mine" fulfills its role just fine, When they end up within scrambler range, so I felt the need to warn the OP of that.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Assassin15 on 16/02/2011 21:14:12
Quote:
Vigilant PVP - What builds are you guys using?
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Posted - 2011.02.17 00:53:00 -
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Quote:
Vigilant PVP - What builds are you guys using?
And, GO !
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