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Panda Claw principle of motion	Posted - 2011.02.17 02:25:00 - [1] anyone remember the north star of eve? http://www.youtube.com/user/sableyee#p/u/4/nNlMhgwIaHg 3 years ago it appeared and lasted a while, a giant star visibile from every system in eve it was before the worlmholes ect and many stories went around about at the time was it a coming enemy invasion and such it was descrbed as a bug which it really was but was also wrote intot he back story of eve at the time so was kinda offical. has there been any update over the last few years what this space phenemon was and will we ever see its return to bring even greater destruction that it heralded last time :)
prospector oen	Posted - 2011.02.17 02:27:00 - [2] new eden
Stinko McCoy	Posted - 2011.02.17 03:28:00 - [3] Yeah I remember that. When it was revealed that it was a bug and not something more, I felt CCP dropped the ball on some awesome story/future event potential. That star is added to the list of things that with a bit more effort could have been cool: -Ships Logs -Star -Faction Warfare -Incursions (Give it a few more weeks..)
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.17 04:05:00 - [4] It was actually a bug but was hand-waved into the lore by saying that it was the other end of the EVE Gate closing back in the Milky Way, and the light had only just gotten to us in New Eden.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2011.02.17 04:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Jovan Geldon It was actually a bug but was hand-waved into the lore by saying that it was the other end of the EVE Gate closing back in the Milky Way, and the light had only just gotten to us in New Eden. Uh, that would mean we're just 110 light years from the other end of the EVE gate. Sincerely, Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.02.17 04:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Jovan Geldon It was actually a bug but was hand-waved into the lore by saying that it was the other end of the EVE Gate closing back in the Milky Way, and the light had only just gotten to us in New Eden. I don;t rember that lol but there was stories froom eve faction maybe sisters of eve/society of concenrt thought that agnowleged it but no reason ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Valeronx Celestial Horizon Corp. Fallen Angels Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.17 05:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jovan Geldon It was actually a bug but was hand-waved into the lore by saying that it was the other end of the EVE Gate closing back in the Milky Way, and the light had only just gotten to us in New Eden. Uh, that would mean we're just 110 light years from the other end of the EVE gate. Not quite, the EVE Gate collapsed in AD 8061, or about 15,288 years ago, so we are about 15,200 light years from the other end. .
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2011.02.17 05:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Valeronx Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jovan Geldon It was actually a bug but was hand-waved into the lore by saying that it was the other end of the EVE Gate closing back in the Milky Way, and the light had only just gotten to us in New Eden. Uh, that would mean we're just 110 light years from the other end of the EVE gate. Not quite, the EVE Gate collapsed in AD 8061, or about 15,288 years ago, so we are about 15,200 light years from the other end. . I see. Always assumed the YC calendar began when the gate collapsed, turns out it was some conference. Still that's not an impossible distance with our current in game tech. One end of EVE space to the other might even be close to that, or further. Sincerely, Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.17 05:37:00 - [9] It was the Red Star from WoD but they forgot to color it. Thats why it was a bug It was a crossover promotion
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.17 05:41:00 - [10] IIRC there was additional handwaving saying that the light travelled faster than in should have because of micro-wormholes, or some such, and that we really are much further away from the Milky Way than the above figures would suggest. Kinda makes sense, I guess, since the EVE Gate was one massive wormhole anyway. /me shrugs

Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2011.02.17 08:59:00 - [11] I seem to recall that the most important Dev comment on the 'Bright Star' was that it hadn't been supposed to happen yet. The assets required had been prepared, it's not like a cluster of misplaced 1s and 0s spontaneously came together to form the star. Something had been planned for it but unfortunately its early release put a spanner in those works... Perhaps it was going to be the Isogen-5 detonation, perhaps Jamyl Sarum's discovery of her Terran Freighter, perhaps it was supposed to be something which we haven't actually uncovered yet. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.02.17 09:25:00 - [12] The thing about the unknown phenomena is that it didn't adhere to the speed of light since it appeared near-instantly all over the cluster, while if it was normal light it would have taken several years.
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.02.17 17:28:00 - [13] I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. So if that star was the other end of the New Eden WH closing, it was very very far away.
Uncle Lim	Posted - 2011.02.17 17:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. So if that star was the other end of the New Eden WH closing, it was very very far away. That actually sounds plausible.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. The Eve gate allowed travel in both directions. So if the Eve gate moved you billions of years into the future, then going back through moves you back in time billions of years which leaves you open to paradoxes. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
James Tiberius Kirk	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. So if that star was the other end of the New Eden WH closing, it was very very far away. Possibility #1: Universe actually is hell of a lot older and futuristic equipment/science can detect this more clearly. Possibility #2: CCP screwed up, its only natural. Go back to #1.
Jack Gilligan 1st Cavalry Division Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:34:00 - [17] Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 17/02/2011 18:35:26 Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. So if that star was the other end of the New Eden WH closing, it was very very far away. Thing is only red dwarf (class M) stars would typically live that long (it's believed the universe isn't old enough for the first red dwarf stars to have run out of fuel, and they can burn for hundreds of billions of years!). Yellow, orange, white, and blue stars (class K, G, F, A, and O) would live much less than 20 billion years, class K stars can live around 15 billion, class G around 10 billion (our Sun is class G, btw), and the hotter and more massive ones hotter than class G much less than that. As an aside, this is why it's believed that the most likely candidate stars for life are F, G, and K class stars as they are long lived enough for advanced life to form, and large enough for a liquid water planet that can orbit far enough away to not have the same side face the star all the time Given that CCP bothered to put stuff like stellar age, size, class, etc into the game I wish they'd pay more attention to making them astronomically correct. EVE has Red Giants that are 20 billion years old (which is impossible, the smallest star that goes Red Giant is a K, and the Red Giant phase lasts barely 1 billion years) and from what I recall no red dwarf stars (which are by far the most common type).
Uncle Lim	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:36:00 - [18] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. The Eve gate allowed travel in both directions. So if the Eve gate moved you billions of years into the future, then going back through moves you back in time billions of years which leaves you open to paradoxes. Which means our particular version of the universe is one in which a paradox did not occur, or was inconsequential. Or, it could be the reason the EVE Gate collapsed in the first place. We could all be victims of our own future selves.
Armageddon Brown MCLC Galactic	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:41:00 - [19] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. The Eve gate allowed travel in both directions. So if the Eve gate moved you billions of years into the future, then going back through moves you back in time billions of years which leaves you open to paradoxes. only if the light cones intersect. (of course, if we're seeing a star that's the light of the gate collapsing then the cones do intersect..)
Corporal Punishment08 NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 17/02/2011 18:35:26 Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. So if that star was the other end of the New Eden WH closing, it was very very far away. Thing is only red dwarf (class M) stars would typically live that long (it's believed the universe isn't old enough for the first red dwarf stars to have run out of fuel, and they can burn for hundreds of billions of years!). Yellow, orange, white, and blue stars (class K, G, F, A, and O) would live much less than 20 billion years, class K stars can live around 15 billion, class G around 10 billion (our Sun is class G, btw), and the hotter and more massive ones hotter than class G much less than that. As an aside, this is why it's believed that the most likely candidate stars for life are F, G, and K class stars as they are long lived enough for advanced life to form, and large enough for a liquid water planet that can orbit far enough away to not have the same side face the star all the time Given that CCP bothered to put stuff like stellar age, size, class, etc into the game I wish they'd pay more attention to making them astronomically correct. EVE has Red Giants that are 20 billion years old (which is impossible, the smallest star that goes Red Giant is a K, and the Red Giant phase lasts barely 1 billion years) and from what I recall no red dwarf stars (which are by far the most common type). Isn't everything to do with all this a theory? From what I understand, we don't know any of this, and won't be able to know any of this in our lifetime. Maybe CCP knows something we don't? :P _____________________________________ Real men corpse tank.

stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.17 20:23:00 - [21] Edited by: stoicfaux on 17/02/2011 20:24:39 Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. Doh! Why are we assuming that an Eve year represents the same amount of time as a real world Earth year? Especially since no one in Eve would know how long an Earth year is... 13.7 earth_year / 20 eve_year = .685 earth_year/eve_year * 12 earth_months/earth_year = 8.22 earth_months/eve_year. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2011.02.17 21:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. So if that star was the other end of the New Eden WH closing, it was very very far away. That would actually be an awesome twist, if the EVE Gate story were ever picked up. Paradoxes wouldn't be a problem if the two places were sufficiently far apart that changes to the past wouldn't affect New Eden's future. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.02.17 21:25:00 - [23] Originally by: stoicfaux The Eve gate allowed travel in both directions. So if the Eve gate moved you billions of years into the future, then going back through moves you back in time billions of years which leaves you open to paradoxes. Maybe that's why it collapsed? Someone tried doing something that would cause a paradox, and the universe protected itself.
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.02.17 22:42:00 - [24] As far as I am concerned, CCP missed great chance to make something cool out of it.
Redoubti Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.17 23:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Vincent Athena I thought the New Eden wormhole crossed time as well as space, placing us several billion years in the future. The evidence is the age of stars, some are over 20 billion years old. (Do "get info" on stars as you fly about). Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old, so the only way we could be seeing stars 20 billion years old is if we got moved forward in time. So if that star was the other end of the New Eden WH closing, it was very very far away. That would actually be an awesome twist, if the EVE Gate story were ever picked up. Paradoxes wouldn't be a problem if the two places were sufficiently far apart that changes to the past wouldn't affect New Eden's future. Philip J. Fry goes back in time and has sex with is own Grandmother so he would be born.
OC 2av2	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:11:00 - [26] Milky Way of New Eden
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Valeronx Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Jovan Geldon It was actually a bug but was hand-waved into the lore by saying that it was the other end of the EVE Gate closing back in the Milky Way, and the light had only just gotten to us in New Eden. Uh, that would mean we're just 110 light years from the other end of the EVE gate. Not quite, the EVE Gate collapsed in AD 8061, or about 15,288 years ago, so we are about 15,200 light years from the other end. . I see. Always assumed the YC calendar began when the gate collapsed, turns out it was some conference. Still that's not an impossible distance with our current in game tech. One end of EVE space to the other might even be close to that, or further. Unless of course space was bent at the time of the wormhole and now isn't anymore and that last beam of light was the last flicker from a position from which the Earth is now far far away from. Also Known As
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.18 00:45:00 - [28] The star appeared shortly after I became a pod pilot. Unfortunately it ended how others have mentioned. It just disappeared one day. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Brannoncyll	Posted - 2011.02.18 05:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 Isn't everything to do with all this a theory? From what I understand, we don't know any of this, and won't be able to know any of this in our lifetime. Maybe CCP knows something we don't? :P It is a scientific theory, based on large bodies of accumulated evidence and tested repeatedly. Don't confuse this with the meaning that the religious nutjobs like to use when describing evolution or climate change.
VanNostrum	Posted - 2011.02.18 09:09:00 - [30] a supernova



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