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Ron Livingston
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:10:00 -
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I'm just wondering, how many active player live out in the far away systems of eve? the ones at the very edge?
Is there any 0.0 space in eve that isn't used that a starting 0.0 corp could move and live?
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Jokerface666
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:12:00 -
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Watch your ingame Map, with stats on, and look at Players Active, prolly some system will nearly not be used.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:15:00 -
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Plenty that are empty and unused, but no, you can't use them.
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Dani Nardieu
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:22:00 -
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All of conquerable 0.0 is owned by someone, someone much older, bigger and richer than you who dosen't want you there unless you join them or pay them tribute. Yes much of that space is unused but they still own it.
If you want to stay independent than go low-sec, NPC 0.0 or WH space. Those aren't empty either but at least your odds are a lot better.
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Conditional Expectation
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:33:00 -
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Yup. Either you join/ally up with one of the bigger alliances, or pay up for the privilege of living next to them. The sovereign system re-done was suppose to let smaller corp a chance to foray into 0.0 has utterly failed.
End of story.
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Aubrey Addams
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:41:00 -
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Wait for a new server, you have no chance.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.02.18 14:54:00 -
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You're all pretty spineless.
Alliances' ability to control space isn't as impressive as you all suggest.
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Conditional Expectation
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Posted - 2011.02.18 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Conditional Expectation on 18/02/2011 15:19:18
 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
You're all pretty spineless.
Alliances' ability to control space isn't as impressive as you all suggest.
Risk vs Reward
If we assume the definition of "living" in 0.0 means no alts generating isk outside of said 0.0 space, then activities that generate isk in 0.0 involves plexin', ratting, 0.0 npc corp mission running, mining (haha), etc.
If we assume you want any sort of efficiency in said activities, building up your "own space" (military, industry, etc) denotes 2 things: 1- you must be able (or willing) to defend {because they will come looking for killmail}, 2- what is the minimal number of pilots required to successfully defend your space?
answer for 1, risk is high, reward is low.
answer for 2, what is the make up of your corp's fleet in defense?
eve now being capital-online, super carriers cannot be built unless you can accomplish #1
without capital ships, and history of eve warfare being blob warfare + super caps (which no neighboring alliance will allow you to build unless you pay or join up) is zero.
you have 3 options, either "live" in 0.0 with no commitment to build up said space and no commitment to defend, meagerly scrapping a living by dodging blobs and defend nothing, or
join up and be a pet or pay isks for the "privilege"
option 3, "live" in low sec/high sec, and venture into 0.0 for pvp.
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Lord Dragonmede
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.18 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Dragonmede on 18/02/2011 15:29:20
If your not an established Coalition of well funded botting Alliances you have no chance of being independent in player Nullsec. The Supercap Blobs own it all. The game mechanics of Sov, nullsec combat, and NBSI politics effectively block you out, unless you become a pet (slave) renter and use all your Isk and effort paying for the privilege of being there. Unfair? Definitely. Sorry but you joined into the game far too late peasant.
Frankly I would find a Wormhole for your new corp to move into...
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That Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.02.18 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: That Forum Guy on 18/02/2011 15:51:31
http://i55.tinypic.com/2sb017c.jpg
If you're too lazy to click.
103539 coalition characters.
Add the NPC space dwellers.
Add the high sec alts of 0.0 dwellers.
You get 1/3 of the entire game population.
If you're a new kid, good luck on acquiring a space on your own. Your best bet is to rent.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:03:00 -
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If they whack jump bridges, the whole equation changes.
***** Warning: Nuclear Launch Detected *****
Trolls feed on trolls, feed on trolls, feed on trolls ...
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:14:00 -
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The other route to owning 0.0 space is to become a successful pirate or merc corp, Noir are an obvious example of this but there have been many over the years.
Until CCP pull their finger out and do something about bots holding will however be nothing more than a sick joke.
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Illwill Bill
Reign of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:30:00 -
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There are indeed empty systems in the far reaches of 0.0 space. Pretty much all of it is claimed by the large 0.0 alliances, but it is possible for a small corp to sneak in behind enemy lines an establish a presence in a couple of systems.
There are going to be huge challenges in doing this, but hey, challenges are fun, right? 
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:33:00 -
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If you're truly interested in owning your own, completely independant slice of the 0.0 pie, you could start out by renting unused space, bide your time quietly building a fleet of caps and super-caps, then stab your masters in the back. 
That might work, but it'll take time. And a lack of moral fiber, b/c everyone knows that what you do in game reflects on your real life, you scum sucking, traitorous backstabbing piece of human garbage. I can't believe you would even think of such a course of action.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ron Livingston
I'm just wondering, how many active player live out in the far away systems of eve? the ones at the very edge?
Is there any 0.0 space in eve that isn't used that a starting 0.0 corp could move and live?
Large parts are empty, like large parts of low sec are empty.
The thing is some people 'claim' part of space. And while some would love to stick to one low sec/ null sec system with a bunch of level 4 agents or high quality sanctums, if the claimers do not 'sort off' control neighboring systems their main system is not that useful at all. You are just to vulnerable and have too much trouble getting stuff in or out.
Another problem is that if an corp/ alliance claims a few systems there is no custom control whatsoever except for a bunch of bubbles on null sec gates to slow people getting in. Still peeps you do not want to get in, still get in.
So toss out of the window the idea you could be able to take a low sec/ null sec pocket and won't get beaten out of it almost instantly, unless you have a big willing alliance around to back you up.
You also need to realize that in non NPC controlled space you will find very little stations around, which you have to conquer first to get access to. So you basically have lots of space pockets with belts and moons and planets but no stations. So you need a POS at the very least to hide in. And a POS needs fuel and that means logistics and and and.....
As others said, join up with an existing alliance that holds 0.0 space, while it lasts (see 'IT' for how it won't last forever). And that 'IT' story probably goes for any and all alliances currently in 0.0. Now they are there, with in a few month's/ year they may as well get kicked out.
Don't be a renting pet, just show up with your entire corp when they need you to fight along side the other alliance members. Being there is *the* most important thing you can do when fighting for or holding low sec/ null sec space.
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Skareon
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Posted - 2011.02.18 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Skareon on 18/02/2011 18:51:39
Originally by: Lord Dragonmede
If you're not an established Coalition of well funded botting Alliances you have no chance of being independent in player Nullsec. The Supercap Blobs own it all. The game mechanics of Sov, nullsec combat, and NBSI politics effectively block you out, unless you become a pet (slave) renter and use all your Isk and effort paying for the privilege of being there. Unfair? Definitely. Sorry but you joined into the game far too late peasant.
Frankly I would find a Wormhole for your new corp to move into...
+1.
That is the absolute truth of the situation. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably has bots themselves or is simply naive. 
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:02:00 -
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It is the Wild, Wild West, so the territory is owned by ranchers that don't want to ha settlers moving in e claiming land.
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:40:00 -
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The edges of 0.0 are sadly, not worth more than the easily accessible parts.
Even if you got there with a pos, fuel and fittings, good luck finding a moon without an indefinitely anchored structure sitting there.
CCP can fix this by:
A) Allowing multiple (One per alliance, max 50 or something that can be abused, but only at huge cost) POS' per moon (PLEASE DO THIS!)
B) Un-anchoring structures that need fuel to come live (POS), but aren't fueled for over 8 hours (OR DO THIS!)
C) Do nothing, leave these gridlocking type tactics in place, without discussion about them or plans to review (CCP is currently working hard on this one).
Hoppit!
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Kwashi
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:42:00 -
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Confirming that if you want to be a small and rugged band of pioneers living on the edges of space, outermost Nullsec is not your destination.
Wormspace is your destination.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:46:00 -
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There are many areas of 0.0 with npc stations where any corp can base themselves.
My corp lived in npc 0.0 for years and ut was fun.
You must be prepared for what is to come though, you will have no option but to stay docked or face fleets with far superior numbers on occaision.
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Jokerface666
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.18 19:53:00 -
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Findyourselfs a C1 or C2 with a static Highsec, stay there until you're stronger and bigger, and move up the classes, when you are a 300 man corp in a C6, invade some 0.0 space, to show balls and join one of the big guys.
Br,
Joker
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