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Tiffany Asques	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:07:00 - [1] Hello everyone, Im having some issues with the new POS defense settings... Settings applied 1. Attack if aggressed - enabled 2. At attack if at war - enabled Now the problems we are having is the Tower keeps aggressing the corp its owned by (friendly's), and friends of the corp thats at war with us. The only time there would be a point that the tower would have any opportunity to aggress us is when we do the RR after the battle. But the damn thing bears down on us during the attack and when we are repairing. This issue is quite frustrating and no news on CCP's front at all with petitions. The very unfortunate part is its probably going to cause the destruction of this Tower because we are unable to properly defend it. And there will be no way of getting reimbursement for it. Oh and don't forget the most valuable piece of it all. Pride! Any advice, comments, jokes, questions are welcome. Thank you for your time.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Batolemaeus on 21/02/2011 21:09:35 "Attack on aggression" is known as "homocidal maniac mode". Configure your pos to attack only via standings. Nothing else.
Virtuozzo Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:12:00 - [3] Originally by: Batolemaeus Edited by: Batolemaeus on 21/02/2011 21:09:35 "Attack on aggression" is known as "homocidal maniac mode". Configure your pos to attack only via standings. Nothing else. What he said ^^ ≡v≡ once was about internet spaceships. Then those became serious business. Now all that is left is serious business, and spaceships are docked for two years till after the Dust of Incar
Tiffany Asques	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Batolemaeus Edited by: Batolemaeus on 21/02/2011 21:09:35 "Attack on aggression" is known as "homocidal maniac mode". Configure your pos to attack only via standings. Nothing else. Please go review your POS menus as they have changed, there are only three selections and the one you speak of has been removed from the game. IMO by far the best one. Thanks though...
Arrakis Shai Caldari Deja Vu Holding	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Batolemaeus Edited by: Batolemaeus on 21/02/2011 21:09:35 "Attack on aggression" is known as "homocidal maniac mode". See what happens when you dont read your towers bed time stories when their young...
Swynet	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Tiffany Asques Hello everyone, Im having some issues with the new POS defense settings... Settings applied 1. Attack if aggressed - enabled 2. At attack if at war - enabled Now the problems we are having is the Tower keeps aggressing the corp its owned by (friendly's), and friends of the corp thats at war with us. The only time there would be a point that the tower would have any opportunity to aggress us is when we do the RR after the battle. But the damn thing bears down on us during the attack and when we are repairing. This issue is quite frustrating and no news on CCP's front at all with petitions. The very unfortunate part is its probably going to cause the destruction of this Tower because we are unable to properly defend it. And there will be no way of getting reimbursement for it. Oh and don't forget the most valuable piece of it all. Pride! Any advice, comments, jokes, questions are welcome. Thank you for your time. Take all your time to understand the menus options and try to set response or agression modes by standings (the menus are not intuative has they should). This doesn't means that any blue will be abble to get in/out of your POS but just they will not be targeted/ass kicked, they still need the password to get in so you're safe from blue "jerks" If you still have trouble to set this send me a mail IG. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Tiffany Asques	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Swynet Take all your time to understand the menus options and try to set response or agression modes by standings (the menus are not intuative has they should). Is there any up to date guides on POS setup at this point? All that I have seen is old docs that aren't up to date. And yes I would appreciate your help, I will be contacting IG soon.
Swynet	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:43:00 - [8] Edited by: Swynet on 21/02/2011 21:45:01 Well those existants are not updated and serious people ready to help someone around here has you can see it's like search for water in the desert, but trolls spawn every second Just send IG mail to this char and i'll contact you back has soon has possible with a good friend specialist in the domain you need help, will find the way to help you. If somehow you already found what you need and no more help is needed then i'll wish you good luck for your Eve's future ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Ai Mei Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:55:00 - [9] Hahahaha ok there is the thing. Neutral remote repping causes agression example the two corps are at war with each other they shoot and then fly off. the corp that owns the pos tower still has an agression timer on them. So by remote repping them you cause the agression timer to trigger on you and the tower thinks your are mean peoples and shoots you. Same goes for the other side. So what i am really saying is. Dont bring in neutral RR alts to a pos tower battle they will get shot at by the tower, due to mechanics.
Tiffany Asques	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Ai Mei Hahahaha ok there is the thing. Neutral remote repping causes agression example the two corps are at war with each other they shoot and then fly off. the corp that owns the pos tower still has an agression timer on them. So by remote repping them you cause the agression timer to trigger on you and the tower thinks your are mean peoples and shoots you. Same goes for the other side. So what i am really saying is. Dont bring in neutral RR alts to a pos tower battle they will get shot at by the tower, due to mechanics. Our remote RR's are not neutral, they are members of corp.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.21 22:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Tiffany Asques Our remote RR's are not neutral, they are members of corp. What part of RRing causes aggression do you not understand? Anyone who RR's someone is the same as agressing even if its the same corp as the POS.
Tiffany Asques	Posted - 2011.02.21 22:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Breaker77 What part of RRing causes aggression do you not understand? Anyone who RR's someone is the same as agressing even if its the same corp as the POS. I understand remote repairing, and not once did I say that I was remote repairing during the battle. So let me be really clear here... Step 1. Attack commences. Step 2. We fly-out of shield to attack. Step 3. We gain aggression as soon as we leave shield. Step 4. Attack is nullified and the enemy withdraws. Step 5. 30 minutes pass. Step 6. Same group of guys leave shield to RR and once again gain aggro after leaving shield. This happened on the first attack, so there was no RR needed until after the fight was finished. So your insight on aggro and RR'ing is not the issue. Thanks though...
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.21 23:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Tiffany Asques Originally by: Breaker77 What part of RRing causes aggression do you not understand? not once did I say that I was remote repairing during the battle. That part (bolded), I think.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.21 23:33:00 - [14] I think I found your problem Originally by: Tiffany Asques 1. Attack if aggressed - enabled For some reason a POS will consider members of the same corp under agression even if they attack the enemy. I would suspect the timers are similar to a GCC in highsec where a session change such as docking will reset the timer with an invisible time that is longer than the shown GCC timer. Even though you can't dock at a POS, CCP has screwed up code before and I wouldn't expect this to be any different.
Dunkler Imperator N.F.H.P. Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.02.22 00:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Tiffany Asques Originally by: Breaker77 What part of RRing causes aggression do you not understand? Anyone who RR's someone is the same as agressing even if its the same corp as the POS. I understand remote repairing, and not once did I say that I was remote repairing during the battle. So let me be really clear here... Step 1. Attack commences. Step 2. We fly-out of shield to attack. Step 3. We gain aggression as soon as we leave shield. Step 4. Attack is nullified and the enemy withdraws. Step 5. 30 minutes pass. Step 6. Same group of guys leave shield to RR and once again gain aggro after leaving shield. This happened on the first attack, so there was no RR needed until after the fight was finished. So your insight on aggro and RR'ing is not the issue. Thanks though... your missing the entire point. Turn off the aggression and ur pos should work fine.
Fennisair Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.22 01:54:00 - [16] From what I've read the "attack if aggressed" setting will cause it to shoot anyone who has aggression... even from it's only from NPCs (i.e. from missions or ratting). I don't know for sure if that's true. Either way, every guide I've seen says turn that one off! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "If men make war in slavish obedience to rules, they will fail." ~ Ulysses S. Grant
Tiffany Asques	Posted - 2011.02.22 02:46:00 - [17] Thanks everyone. We should be attacked again tonight, I will turn off the agression setting and give an update.
Chandaris Gallente Lethal Devotion	Posted - 2011.02.22 14:43:00 - [18] Turn off the attack if agressed. It attacks ANYONE who agresses anyone within range of the guns. RR is aggressing. Set to attack war targets, and anyone with standing less than +0.1 Thus it will attack neutrals, neg sec status and not anyone in corp and won't kill you if you duel / RR in range. The only exploit hole it opens up is that your blue friends could attack and kill, so pick your friends carefully.

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