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CaldariCitizen 5326673
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Posted - 2011.02.22 07:43:00 -
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As the title says, whats with the current surge?
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Jita Bloodtear
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:26:00 -
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I heard a rumor CCP is planning to release T3 modules/ammo
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:33:00 -
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Didn't IT hold a large number of t2 BPOs?
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Darth Mustache
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.02.22 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Mustache on 22/02/2011 09:09:11
IT is selling them all because CCP U21 told them that a nerf is coming 
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Sarah Tilly
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Posted - 2011.02.22 10:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Darth Mustache
Edited by: Darth Mustache on 22/02/2011 09:09:11
IT is selling them all because CCP U21 told them that a nerf is coming
Yea that must be it, I doubt them disbanding had anything to do with it |
Da Trader
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Posted - 2011.02.22 12:26:00 -
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Maybe some BPO-holding allies experienced lack of funds for war effort? Just guessing
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.22 12:44:00 -
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Point is, why do people buy those BPOs if they need 50 years to amortize them?
Aren't BPOs pointless now?
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Turzyx
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.02.22 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert
Point is, why do people buy those BPOs if they need 50 years to amortize them
Because they can sell the BPOs when they are done with them; they will hold (or in most cases) increase in value.
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Lady ISK'Alot
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Posted - 2011.02.22 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lady ISK''Alot on 22/02/2011 13:27:34
Have to agree with the ugly citizen
edit: I understand that people sell prints now and then, but the sudden rush... of like 20+ t2 bpos within a week its madness
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.22 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kalrand on 22/02/2011 13:27:29
Originally by: Turzyx
Originally by: Fulbert
Point is, why do people buy those BPOs if they need 50 years to amortize them
Because they can sell the BPOs when they are done with them; they will hold (or in most cases) increase in value.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.02.22 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory
Unless CCP nerfs them, they will sell for more later.
Anyone who thinks T2 prints are pointless and have no impact, has no clue at all.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.02.22 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Kalrand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory
Unless CCP nerfs them, they will sell for more later.
Anyone who thinks T2 prints are pointless and have no impact, has no clue at all.
Uh huh. I go with Kalrand on this one.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.02.22 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory
Well, that seems to work quite well for the majority of us MD guys, because that Wiki entry can be summarized as "Buy low, sell high".
We don't buy stuff because of its value, but because we're pretty confidend that we can find another fool, who will shell out more money than we did.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.22 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Edited by: Kalrand on 22/02/2011 13:27:29
Originally by: Turzyx
Originally by: Fulbert
Point is, why do people buy those BPOs if they need 50 years to amortize them
Because they can sell the BPOs when they are done with them; they will hold (or in most cases) increase in value.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory
I think this might have some bearing:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1471428&page=1#14
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Fulbert on 22/02/2011 18:11:41
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Well, that seems to work quite well for the majority of us MD guys, because that Wiki entry can be summarized as "Buy low, sell high".
We don't buy stuff because of its value, but because we're pretty confidend that we can find another fool, who will shell out more money than we did.
The main difference is that T2 BPOs are actually useful (their use value exists and cannot be denied), they're not toxic financial assets. Point is, when their price rise, one day or another, it will take more time to amortize them than the actual lifespan of the game itself, so I still don't understand why people block so much ISK for them. It's obvious than one day no serious T2 industrialist will buy such BPO instead of thousands of BPCs...
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert
The main difference is that T2 BPOs are actually useful (their use value exists and cannot be denied), they're not toxic financial assets. Point is, when their price rise, one day or another, it will take more time to amortize them than the actual lifespan of the game itself, so I still don't understand why people block so much ISK for them. It's obvious than one day no serious T2 industrialist will buy such BPO instead of thousands of BPCs...
Unfortunately, you've completely misunderstood the nature of a return-producing asset.
The reason people are willing to take minuscule returns on t2 BPOs is because they can soak up huge amounts of investment and are perceived as at least stable in value. The are no other investment options for people who have 100s of billions in capital besides letting it sit idle. I personally would just let it sit idle because I don;t think the returns are worth the effort, but I understand why people choose not to.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Well, that seems to work quite well for the majority of us MD guys, because that Wiki entry can be summarized as "Buy low, sell high".
We don't buy stuff because of its value, but because we're pretty confidend that we can find another fool, who will shell out more money than we did.
The main difference is that T2 BPOs are actually useful (their use value exists and cannot be denied), they're not toxic financial assets. Point is, when their price rise, one day or another, it will take more time to amortize them than the actual lifespan of the game itself, so I still don't understand why people block so much ISK for them. It's obvious than one day no serious T2 industrialist will buy such BPO instead of thousands of BPCs...
Consider the T2 BPO's at some point as bragging right and vanity item.
As in the real world, people will just pay virtually any price to get something that no one else can have regardless if it is profitable or not. |
Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Fulbert on 22/02/2011 18:34:51
Originally by: Elise DarkStar
Unfortunately, you've completely misunderstood the nature of a return-producing asset.
Let me laugh, please. Tulip bulbs were also a return-producing asset before people were ruined.
Those assets produce returns only because people believe they will do so... that's what I'm not understanding. If you do something like this in the real world, even kids will laugh at you.
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Consider the T2 BPO's at some point as bragging right and vanity item.
As in the real world, people will just pay virtually any price to get something that no one else can have regardless if it is profitable or not.
This makes sense.
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert
Originally by: Elise DarkStar
Unfortunately, you've completely misunderstood the nature of a return-producing asset.
Let me laugh, please. Tulip bulbs were also a return-producing asset before people were ruined.
Those assets produce returns only because people believe they will do so... that's what I'm not understanding. If you do something like this in the real world, even kids will laugh at you.
And now you demonstrate your ignorance.
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fulbert on 22/02/2011 18:39:49
Originally by: Elise DarkStar
And now you demonstrate your ignorance.
Skepticism is not ignorance, FYI.
edit : unless EVE is a serious spaceship buisness.
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert
Originally by: Elise DarkStar
And now you demonstrate your ignorance.
Skepticism is not ignorance, FYI.
But continuing to blather despite being informed that you are misunderstanding key concepts is.
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Roguehalo
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:45:00 -
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T2 bpos are vanity items these days since it takes years to make any money from them.
Buying a t2 bpo is kinda like publically announcing that you just bought a Rolls Royce
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:47:00 -
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Quick, someone tell me what happens to T2 BPO profitability when the price of Tech doubles, given that the price is set by -4 ME invention prints that also have POS fuel costs to cover?
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Buying a t2 bpo is kinda like publically announcing that you just bought a Rolls Royce
As they say with a RR - if you need to ask the price you can't afford one.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
T2 bpos are vanity items these days since it takes years to make any money from them.
You can buy one for 40b, run it for a week, and sell it for 40b. You made money off it in a week. It is not destroyed when you are finished. Where do you come up with years?
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Roguehalo
T2 bpos are vanity items these days since it takes years to make any money from them.
You can buy one for 40b, run it for a week, and sell it for 40b. You made money off it in a week. It is not destroyed when you are finished. Where do you come up with years?
That's the basis of the "Greater Fool" thing they have going on. You are hoping to find "some bigger idiot" to soak up your risky investment. The key issue is that they see it as a risky/useless investment.
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Candy Oshea
Amarr
Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.02.22 23:00:00 -
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to answer OP
My guess is rich players (lets face it, anyone with half a brain can do this) combined with lazyness.
As a person who runs a successful T2 Manufacturing business (without a T2 Bpo). let me tell you that invention is a pain in the ass, Not the math part, factoring in probability of success/failure is easy (i write my own spreadsheets), its purely the clickfest that goes with it. i run approx 50-60 invention jobs per weeknight. & weekends upto 200+ to get ahead.
if i had a set of BPO's to run off, it would save alot of my time & as long as they don't nerf them (lets face it, this wont happen they have been around for years) the value of the asset wont depreciate. Sure it will take time to break even but who cares, it saved the lazy person 40-50 clicks of a mouse & hey can always sell it when i want for more than i paid for it.
Candy.
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Dawn Black
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Posted - 2011.02.23 15:31:00 -
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It's a sad fact that these lottery t2 bpo's still exist in the game. they have and are giving players who just happen to have been around in that time a HUGE advantage over any other player. Online gaming is supposed to offer equal opertunities and "pleasure" for all players.. Don't see and never did how this is the case in EVE. T2 bpo owners are of in the small minority... for the rest it just seems more and more like work.
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Knokploeg
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Posted - 2011.02.23 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dawn Black
It's a sad fact that these lottery t2 bpo's still exist in the game. they have and are giving players who just happen to have been around in that time a HUGE advantage over any other player. Online gaming is supposed to offer equal opertunities and "pleasure" for all players.. Don't see and never did how this is the case in EVE. T2 bpo owners are of in the small minority... for the rest it just seems more and more like work.
You are missing the fact that many - if not most - of the current owners bought their T2 BPOs from other players. No need to punish these players for the crappy lottery mechanism that spawned the BPOs.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.23 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dawn Black
It's a sad fact that these lottery t2 bpo's still exist in the game. they have and are giving players who just happen to have been around in that time a HUGE advantage over any other player. Online gaming is supposed to offer equal opertunities and "pleasure" for all players.. Don't see and never did how this is the case in EVE. T2 bpo owners are of in the small minority... for the rest it just seems more and more like work.
HTFU
you can buy them if you want
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