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b24j68
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Posted - 2011.02.22 16:25:00 -
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I am one of those Domi drone lovers. I am currently training up my drones and have noticed they are out damaging my guns. The only reason I use my guns is to keep my precious drones out of harms way.
Is there a good way to keep the PVE hate on me without guns?
I am currently running level 3 missions. I am currently running with medium guns. I tried large guns but I could not hit the more speedy targets. I plan to switch to gunnery skills after getting T2 heavy drones and sentry drones.
I may not have done this in the correct order but I want to stick with drones because of attribute mapping.
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Felicia Day Olacar
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Posted - 2011.02.22 17:07:00 -
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if you're looking to use guns just for aggro.. then you only really need 1 gun. Just shoot at the + that don't have [+] and when all the + have [+] then release the drones and get yourself a Pepsi.
If your drones get aggro, recall them back and shoot at the + until they're [+]. You get the idea.
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Tsabrock
Gallente
Circle of Friends
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tsabrock on 22/02/2011 18:13:31
For non-incursion, non-Sleeper enemies, you only need a single gun to grab agro from a mob. The gun doesn't need to hit, or even be in range of the enemies, it'll wake-up a group of NPC's and they'll focus on you.
The one-gun method isn't the only way, however. Here's a couple other tricks I've used.
Target Painters: They grab agro just as good as a gun, and can help your drones hit a little better (in comparison to Omni's, I think a TP gives slightly better to-hit chance, but no bonus to range like the Omni grants to drones).
Sentry Swap: Drop a few sentries and stay right next to them. Have them start sniping a group (or groups) of NPC's. When they've stirred-up enough trouble, scoop them into your bay and give the NPC's a couple seconds to switch their target to you. Then redeploy whatever drones you wish. Note: best done with Wardens and/or Bouncers with their superior range, but any sentry will work if you prefer the close-range Garde.
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b24j68
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:17:00 -
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Thank you for the ideas. I did not know that PVE mobs did not consider damage done. It feels like an oversight of the game but if it works I will try it.
If I can get away with one medium gun for agro then I can put back in my larger guns for the bigger slower targets. I might try out the target painter just to see how it works.
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Lenartowicz
FireStar Inc
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.22 22:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Tsabrock
Edited by: Tsabrock on 22/02/2011 18:13:31
The gun doesn't need to hit, or even be in range of the enemies, it'll wake-up a group of NPC's and they'll focus on you.
read it
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:10:00 -
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The AI, god it depresses me calling it that, on the mission ships is the worse than pac man ghosts.
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.23 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: b24j68
Thank you for the ideas. I did not know that PVE mobs did not consider damage done. It feels like an oversight of the game but if it works I will try it.
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Tsabrock
Gallente
Circle of Friends
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Posted - 2011.02.23 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: b24j68
Thank you for the ideas. I did not know that PVE mobs did not consider damage done. It feels like an oversight of the game but if it works I will try it.
If I can get away with one medium gun for agro then I can put back in my larger guns for the bigger slower targets. I might try out the target painter just to see how it works.
You could mount a Civilian gun and it'd do the job just fine. All the NPC's process is, "Something is shooting at me! Let's go get it!"
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
The AI, god it depresses me calling it that, on the mission ships is the worse than pac man ghosts.
Indeed. However, I dread the time if/when the improved Sleeper/Sansha AI starts to be deployed to regular NPC's. I've always liked drones, but I've found non-drone ships to be vastly superior for most Wormhole excursions, since Sleepers find drones crunchy and tasty with garlic. I can't speak for the New Sansha, as I haven't had the opportunity to run any Incursions yet. While I wouldn't mind seeing improvements to global NPC AI, drones would need some improvements to go along with such changes or else they'd loose most of their usefulness.
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Cyniac
Gallente
Twilight Star Rangers
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Posted - 2011.02.24 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tsabrock
But I've found non-drone ships to be vastly superior for most Wormhole excursions, since Sleepers find drones crunchy and tasty with garlic.
Been in a WH fighting sleepers with a Domi for nearly a month now.
I've yet to lose a drone. But my drones do find sleepers tasty and crunchy.
Just saying.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.24 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Target Painter on 24/02/2011 11:57:56
Originally by: Tsabrock
I can't speak for the New Sansha, as I haven't had the opportunity to run any Incursions yet. While I wouldn't mind seeing improvements to global NPC AI, drones would need some improvements to go along with such changes or else they'd loose most of their usefulness.
Using any kind of EWAR (especially ECM) or RR makes the Sansha rage and focus fire on whatever ship or drone is putting it out.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:37:00 -
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When piloting a domi you donŠt (usually) use target painters but Omnidirectional, preferably two of them, as they increase the optimal + tracking of your drones. If it has to be, use a single civilian whatever gun to get aggro.
Every experianced Domi pilot will tell you to build your domi around 2 x Omnidirectional, 1 x Drone Link Augmentor and 2 x Sentry Damage rig.
Hope this helps.
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Tsabrock
Gallente
Circle of Friends
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Posted - 2011.02.24 21:00:00 -
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I fly an Ishtar as opposed to the Dominix, so drone range mods are less important for me. I do swap back-and-forth between Target Painter or Gun depending on my fit. I got thinking though, now that drone damage is being logged in the log, I'm gonna have to run some tests to see if a Target Painter or an Omni helps drones to hit better.
As for Wormholes, I admittedly don't run them often (mostly when they first came out). However that does remind me of some random chatter I heard a little while back. Somebody was making a comment about how she thought Sleepers didn't seem to hate her drones as much as they used to. I just dismissed it as being weaker C1/C2 Sleepers, but I do wonder...
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Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.02.26 00:09:00 -
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My mission runner uses a Target Painter for aggro.
x2 Omni's and 1 TP works well. The target painter really kicks in when your shooting at the smaller ships as they approach.
She has no gun skills to speak of so fly's with x3 salvager and x2 tractors for when I am paying enough attention to bother to loot.
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Echo Vector
Gallente
Odyssey SEC
Phoenix Virtue
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Posted - 2011.02.26 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito
My mission runner uses a Target Painter for aggro.
x2 Omni's and 1 TP works well. The target painter really kicks in when your shooting at the smaller ships as they approach.
She has no gun skills to speak of so fly's with x3 salvager and x2 tractors for when I am paying enough attention to bother to loot.
Glad to see you are still around!
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