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Dr Fighter	Posted - 2011.02.25 19:40:00 - [91] excellently written account, great show of support for your CEO and good team work. Makes me wonder how different it might have been if you noticed any sooner/later. Im sorry for this, but, i hope somthing like this happens again and you once again crush the theifs efforts and write another top notch post!
PieRat Scummm	Posted - 2011.02.25 19:47:00 - [92] Edited by: PieRat scummm on 25/02/2011 19:54:05 Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla Originally by: PieRat scummm Hmm.. nope.. we have nothing in our corp hanger.. we are lowsec pirates man.. all we needs are pvp ships and a couple alts with cloaky haulers to bring us **.. corp hangars are for carebear wimps and 0.0 corps :P Originally by: OP "What is Blade doing?" .. "He must be going rogue" .. "We need to stop this from happening, he could steal many of our assets" .. A quick check of our corporate hanger, and POS (player owned station) revealed nothing was missing, except for Blade's personal assets. All that remained in his hanger was his newly acquired Caldari carrier. A powerful starship that represents a strategic military resource to all of the players living in the star system. Now the story is really starting to get interesting. First it was "quick...check the corp hangar and make sure none of our loots are missing." then it's "corp hangars are for carebear wimps and 0.0 corps." "When is your reality going to be coming out on Blu-ray so we can all enjoy it?" LOL ohhh my god you guys are really over-nitpicking this to *.. LOL.. there is a certain amount of dramatic flair that went into this guys.. I* do not use the corporate hangar, I don't know if the ceo keeps stuff in it.. as far as i know, it's not used in official capacity.. Did I check it anyways to see if it was empty or full? Of course I did.. I also checked his Personal hangar because I am a director and have rights to do so.. I didn't mention that. I also didn't mention the part about the cane we accidentally popped on the friendly side when we cynoed in a Archon to help with the effort. Consider this a historical drama, it is based on the events that occured, and is very accurate, however, I have left some parts out I felt were not relevant, and may have muddied a few of the facts.. It was written from my perspective of what happened.. not an absolute recreation of every single fact that transpired.. I do not know exactly what everyone did, what modules they ran, etc. etc. .. I am not even that experienced of a pvper, and do not fully understand all of the pvp mechanics of eve at times "History is always re-told from the point of view of the victorious..." Anyways.. haters gonna hate.. I'm not going to respond to anymore 'this is nitpicky 'why didn;'t you do this, or your story is false because xyz mechanic doesn't work that way' I don't care if you all believe me, it happened :) Cheers and signing off. And damn.. should have taken a screenie.. did not even occur to any of us at the time :( o7
Meatay Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2011.02.25 20:17:00 - [93] Nice read... Good work ----------------------------------------------
Hrian d'Greedy	Posted - 2011.02.25 20:34:00 - [94] There are more holes in that story, than in some cheese variants, and it definitely smells cheesy. Just two of the most obvious ones: - Any guy who is skilled / prepared enough to hack multiple accounts would most probably also have some spare alts he/she can contract the stuff to, instead of trying to 'move it' with the hacked characters. - Instead of downloading the client, the CEO should just have told you (or some friend playing EVE he trusts) the username and the changed pass, so you can bump the perp off the accounts, not giving the thief any more chances to cause harm. So even though the story was a nice read, if it is true the way it happened, then it is... oh well, lets not insult our proud heroes here. The title should probably be changed to dumb 1 vs dumber 0 in that case.
PieRat Scummm	Posted - 2011.02.25 20:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Hrian d'Greedy There are more holes in that story, than in some cheese variants, and it definitely smells cheesy. Just two of the most obvious ones: - Any guy who is skilled / prepared enough to hack multiple accounts would most probably also have some spare alts he/she can contract the stuff to, instead of trying to 'move it' with the hacked characters. - Instead of downloading the client, the CEO should just have told you (or some friend playing EVE he trusts) the username and the changed pass, so you can bump the perp off the accounts, not giving the thief any more chances to cause harm. So even though the story was a nice read, if it is true the way it happened, then it is... oh well, lets not insult our proud heroes here. The title should probably be changed to dumb 1 vs dumber 0 in that case. Cool story, bro.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2011.02.25 20:56:00 - [96] Nice read! Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.25 21:02:00 - [97] Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it. edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

AFK Master AFK Chartered System Management	Posted - 2011.02.25 21:13:00 - [98] Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it. edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted. /c Hey Chribba, there is a char over on the new forums called Chribbo. His old pic was much like yours and his new one, like your pre redone new version. Is this your alt or just some wannabe?
PieRat Scummm	Posted - 2011.02.25 21:20:00 - [99] Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it. edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted. /c /me HUGGS CHRIBBA LIKE A TEDDY BEAW!!!! XD we submitted a petition for sure man.. but it's not like we were just going to say 'ok petition filed, lets' all go mine!'

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.02.25 21:22:00 - [100] @AFK Master, not me, imposter using the new char creator to fake my face (which is old now btw) @PieRat, great! Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

AFK Master AFK Chartered System Management	Posted - 2011.02.25 22:32:00 - [101] Edited by: AFK Master on 25/02/2011 22:34:12 Originally by: Chribba @AFK Master, not me, imposter using the new char creator to fake my face (which is old now btw) Yea I saw it was the old new face, I hope you've petitioned the idiot.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.25 22:33:00 - [102] Originally by: Stu Pendis** Originally by:** Aessoroz ............Actually brute force hacking doesn't occur in this game, there is an actual cooldown that goes in place............ Right. And hack bots can't wait x seconds between tries. Wake up, lad. The old password requirements were too easy to brute force. And they WERE brute forced. wow.... Yep, brute forcing passwords, by testing one password every 5 or so seconds. sounds awesome brah, it'd only take 2 weeks to break a 3 character password For the record, your pro hacking method would take 35 million years to break the minimum strength password CCP now requires, and over 100,000 times the age of the universe to break my password (srsly the number the brute calculator returned was so huge I don't even know what it's called) For the further record, it'd need to be much much slower than one attempt every 5 seconds, you think CCP won't notice something strange when 720 incorrect passwords are attempted in a one hour period? You're the one who needs to wake up buddy. People who get hacked have one of the following apply to them (most likely to least likely) A) Have keylogger infection B) Share their account details with unscrupulous people C) Are idiots who use the same pw/username for multiple websites. Websites that either farm pw or have hackers farming pw. Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.25 23:56:00 - [103] Originally by: PieRat scummm Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it. edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted. /c Thot u were pirates... you have miners too? /me HUGGS CHRIBBA LIKE A TEDDY BEAW!!!! XD we submitted a petition for sure man.. but it's not like we were just going to say 'ok petition filed, lets' all go mine!' ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
captain foivos	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:01:00 - [104] ITT: CCP gets trolled. -- Need a break from EVE?
PieRat Scummm	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:01:00 - [105] Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Thot u were pirates... you have miners too? That was sarcasm :)
Zanes Shoubje	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:12:00 - [106] <-EVE Fiction is that way
Marcus Druallis Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:25:00 - [107] Originally by: Verkala Ven So, let me make sure I understand this. It was in low-sec. Someone hacked your CEO's account(s). He then proceeded to try to fly a bunch of random stuff out of low sec. He never contracted anything over to anyone else (like a nameless alt). He never touched the corp hangar. He didn't clean out the wallet. He never self-destructed the carrier, or the pod, despite being stuck there for an hour. He also never tried to redock the carrier in that time. Uhm... Yeah. Sorry, I'm having to go with fiction here. Entertaining fiction, to be sure, but fiction nonetheless. Either that or the dumbest hacker in the history of EVE. And for some reason the station attacked him for attacking corp members? --
Avernus Gallente Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.02.26 02:12:00 - [108] The very near same actually happened to me once a few years ago (3 I think), fairly similar situation being a CEO of a corp. Hacker was only going for my personal assets however, perhaps he didn't realize my position in the corp, but when things got truly crazy, was the moment I logged in, and bumped him offline. The guys online had thought I had just been going through my evemails or was stuck in convo's as often happened. I said hi, they did likewise, and I experienced a sudden disconnect. I logged back in and said it was odd that I dropped since my connection had been so stable lately. One of the guys said something to the effect that it was odd that it had happened twice in a row so fast. I think to myself 'huh? twice?'. Then I disconnected again as the hacker relogged in. HOLY FRACK! I logged back in again and dropped all roles, typing furiously in corp what was going on. Disconnect. I log back in. Look at my wallet, it's dry, 4 years worth of assets sucked away. I check journal and see where it's being transferred too. Disconnect. I log back in. People and places, search string 'GM A'. I start flying through the alphabet on a mad mission as I add GM's trying to find one online. Disconnect. I log back in and fire off a petition, I start up the client again and enter my account info without hitting enter so that I can recover from the bumps faster. Disconnect. I'm back on in 15 seconds flat and repeat the procedure. Corp is going nuts, pilots are scrambling to the station to make sure I don't go on a road trip. Bubbles up, fast lock tackle ready. Disconnect. I try to log back in. Account has been disabled for investigation. It seemed like an age while all this went on, but when the petition went in, my account got locked down in under 15 minutes flat. Got everything back, the only sad aspect of it all was my single line employment history got nerfed as the GMs removed me from my corp for the investigation. Oh the humanity! GMs got it right that day. /pours a beer for the employment history
Michwich	Posted - 2011.02.26 03:54:00 - [109] Awww i was cheering for the hacker. Good story. But the hacker was your CEO.
Jones Bones Heretic Army	Posted - 2011.02.26 06:46:00 - [110] Fake story, is fake. If not your CEO is guilty of RMT and should be permabanned.
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.02.26 11:50:00 - [111] Neat story. The story does add up for the most part. -Hacker probably didn't know of the guys roles in corp which is why the Corp Hanger/Wallet wasn't touched. -The hacker probably uses courier contracts instead of just dumping stuff on an alt because then it will cause a link to that alt which gets it banned aswell. Courier contracts makes it "look legit". -Hacker was probably waiting till he got all assets moved before clearing out the wallet. Since he was using courier contracts he had to keep isk in his wallet to set them up. -The CEO giving his account info out could have worked but also he would be at risk of being banned for account sharing. Doing this also could have negated any help from CCP considering they would just blame it on that. Also this is EVE trust noone. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why the hacker didn't just log off when the carrier was tackled. Would seem like a waste of time for him sitting there for 2+ Hours. Also brute force doesn't work on EvE. Yes someone could create a program to space the attempts out however your talking about thousands of attempts which will obviously throw up red flags to CCP and will temp ban the account pending investigation. Lastly logging on to a account WILL kick the active account off. Ive done this numerous times when I log into the wrong alt account and end up kicking my main off.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2011.02.26 12:04:00 - [112] Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it. edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted. /c Well. Then it would of been just like every other hacked account where CCP allows you to keep characters that were hacked off of you as long as enough time has passed. I'm looking at you U Cak and Bong Me. Both accounts hacked off of my buddy that wasn't playing at the time and when he tried to get his accounts back he was basically told too bad, they are someone elses accounts now. Funny isn't it. CCPs stance on hacked accounts though is that if you hack and control a character for more than a year it's yours. They won't ban you for it. Everytime "U Cak" or "Bong Me" logs in I get reminded of that fact that CCP only cares about money and not the player. Since my buddy was inactive for so long and not paying his characters are now in the hands of a paying subscriber and **** all who they were made by. But that is a different rant to be heard later and again, good job stepping up where CCP fails. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Stu Pendisdick Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.02.26 18:36:00 - [113] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau ............... Much pedantic bull**** spouted by a statistic lover with no grasp of reality or how hackers work or even basic pen testing is done. Thank you for the giggle. I need a nice reminder like this every once in a while to keep me grounded as to the utter stupidity of imbeciles who think they know comp sec. Simple minded morons that keep me in business. Gotta love em.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:03:00 - [114] Originally by: Stu Pendis** Originally by:** Copine Callmeknau ............... Much pedantic bull** spouted by a statistic lover with no grasp of reality or how hackers work or even basic pen testing is done. Thank you for the giggle. I need a nice reminder like this every once in a while to keep me grounded as to the utter stupidity of imbeciles who think they know comp sec. Simple minded morons that keep me in business. Gotta love em. hah I don't know ** about comp sec, never claimed I did. Grasp of simple maths != degree in IT. You however are the idiot who claimed brute force was rife in EVE, and that hackers would be able to brute force passwords at a rate of <1 password attempt per second. If you knew half of what you claim to know about comp sec you'd realise what an ridiculous and idiotic statement that is. Feel free to backpedal on your statements all you like. Make up your mind on whether you're talking about dictionary list hacks, meta hacks, or true brute force, then your opinion might be worth a damn. Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:20:00 - [115] Nice story. My take on it is that your ceo did it on purpose to 'liven up' the evening. Mission acomplished if so. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Reeno Coleman	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:44:00 - [116] Nice story. We were just hit ourselves, unfortunately not so lucky.
Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:45:00 - [117] Some hacking asswipe got pwned. Epic.
Stern Kyrenov	Posted - 2011.02.26 23:24:00 - [118] tl;dr
Birdman Ravo Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.27 05:00:00 - [119] Great story. A while back I had the same thing happen to me. My ordeal was a lot less dramatic, a GM got wise to my account mysteriously going through a few billion isk in assets, losing it's first battleship ever (Big deal to a two year old mission runner char), and a strange new and overly generous alt - but the point is it does happen. RMT, buying isk, & shady stuff are not required, sometimes all it takes is an old password.
X Dead	Posted - 2011.02.27 23:41:00 - [120] Just to make an observation, the fact that Eve Gate permits folks to log in with their "actual playing credentials" and people are incentivised (yes, English spelling) to use it then there will ipso facto be an increase in people logging in from insecure locations such as cyber cafes. Personally, I would expect the amount of account compromises to increase. Welcome to the perverse world of security economics folks, where what is good for A (e.g. improved usability) is not necessarily good for B (greater "security") if not thought through and designed carefully. Personally, I would have let people create secondary credentials (maybe required them to) to use on Gate to separate the informational aspects from the asset access aspects. The proposed API stuff is a step in that direction but it looks like the left API hand didn't explain to the right Human Interface Gate hand why it's doing things the way it is... There are other options (e.g. secondary credentials to authorise actions as opposed to access) but that's a contextual decision.

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