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Astrogel
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:48:00 -
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I currently fly a paladin, it works good but every now and then I get an angel mission. That takes to long in a paladin really to be worth it I think so I just refuse and get another.
I have recently gotten minmitar battleship 5, large autocannon 4, and tons and tons of shield skills. Mealstrom cuts threw angels like a hot knife in butter.
Im looking at the vargur now. Im thinking of replaceing my paladin with a vargur but thats one hell of an investment. Anyone here fly a vargur on sansha missions tell me how you like it?
If I do end up with the vargur Ill just sell the paladin I think.
Any advice thank you
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:52:00 -
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I don't know how many non-sansha/blood missions you get but a vargur will do them well, even guristas because of phased plasma.
Paladin will be superior to the vargur though for blood/sansha missions.
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Neoexecutor
Minmatar
Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:54:00 -
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Vargur can kill any type of rats very fast if you have t2 autocannons + support gunnery skills trained, since you can alternate ammo (fusion, emp, phase plasma etc) to match rats resistance weakness. Properly skilled/fitted Vargur is among few very best mission ships so investment is well worth it.
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Astrogel
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Posted - 2011.02.24 23:04:00 -
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support gunnery skills are maxed. litterally. the only ones that arent at level 5 are the large autocannon specialization and thats 4. Ill give it a ride for a bit. If worse comes to worse I can always sell it.
Its time for a change anyway. Ive been flying a paladin for a LONG time.
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Mister Agreeable
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Posted - 2011.02.25 02:59:00 -
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Just keep Paladin. WTF are you thinking?
Vs blood/sanshas Pala is much better than Vargur. Ofc you can buy Vargur/Mach just for running AE if you want but selling Pala is not worth it unless you want to move to Matar space.
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Missy Sasha
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Posted - 2011.02.25 04:06:00 -
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why wouldn't you just have both *boggle*
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.02.25 04:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Missy Sasha
why wouldn't you just have both *boggle*
I have both, and a nightmare, and a macha, and a well pretty much everything that would be considered good for mission running. 
and in amarr space I'd much rather have the paladin if I could only choose one. for the occasional AE it just isn't worth switching.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.25 05:33:00 -
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Keep the Paladin. Buy a Vargur. Pick whichever one you like flying most for whatever mission. :)
-Liang
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:23:00 -
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Just throwing this out there, but there are 2 big advantages to using the varg over the pally:
1)Last time I checked rats still used the OLD kind of TDs, meaning they drop optimal, but not falloff. An AC varg will just shrug off the TDs whereas a pally gets hit hard by them.
2)EMP L has a damage distribution of 36 EM, 8 exp, and 4 kin.
Multi L has a damage distribution of 28 EM, and 24 therm.
EMP hits for more EM damage than multifrequency does
That and the vargur is a much better ship overall. |
Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
Just throwing this out there, but there are 2 big advantages to using the varg over the pally:
1)Last time I checked rats still used the OLD kind of TDs, meaning they drop optimal, but not falloff. An AC varg will just shrug off the TDs whereas a pally gets hit hard by them.
2)EMP L has a damage distribution of 36 EM, 8 exp, and 4 kin.
Multi L has a damage distribution of 28 EM, and 24 therm.
EMP hits for more EM damage than multifrequency does
That and the vargur is a much better ship overall.
On the flip side, 28 EM + 24 Therm is generally better vs EM weak enemies than than 36 EM + 8 Exp + 4 Kin even before you consider optimal vs falloff. The TD thing I agree with.
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Julien Brellier
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:12:00 -
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Then use Phased Plasma L.
40 Therm, 8 Kin ftw.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
1)Last time I checked rats still used the OLD kind of TDs, meaning they drop optimal, but not falloff. An AC varg will just shrug off the TDs whereas a pally gets hit hard by them.
If I remember correctly (and that isn't always the case), TDs cut falloff prior to Dominion...which was the source of one of the major complains that TE and TCs didn't increase falloff to compensate.
I could be totally wrong however, or the above statement could be true and NPCs still didn't reduce falloff anyway. I haven't done a proper Sansha mission in forever.
In any case that would be news to me and seems like something that should be fixed.
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TacticalNuclear Penguin
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:16:00 -
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Once i got the vargur, i found i was usuing my paladin less and less until i accepted the fact
that the varg does the blood/sansha missions just as fast (if not quicker) as the pally did and
got rid of it. - and i much prefer shield tanking for pve anyway.
Vargur is the one marauder to rule them all. 
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.02.26 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored
Originally by: Cambarus
1)Last time I checked rats still used the OLD kind of TDs, meaning they drop optimal, but not falloff. An AC varg will just shrug off the TDs whereas a pally gets hit hard by them.
If I remember correctly (and that isn't always the case), TDs cut falloff prior to Dominion...which was the source of one of the major complains that TE and TCs didn't increase falloff to compensate.
I could be totally wrong however, or the above statement could be true and NPCs still didn't reduce falloff anyway. I haven't done a proper Sansha mission in forever.
In any case that would be news to me and seems like something that should be fixed.
I don't remember specific patches, but originally TDs did NOT reduce falloff, then CCP changed it (post-amarr-buff). They never bothered changing the npc TDs though, cuz really who the hell complains about that? |
Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.02.26 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored
Originally by: Cambarus
1)Last time I checked rats still used the OLD kind of TDs, meaning they drop optimal, but not falloff. An AC varg will just shrug off the TDs whereas a pally gets hit hard by them.
If I remember correctly (and that isn't always the case), TDs cut falloff prior to Dominion...which was the source of one of the major complains that TE and TCs didn't increase falloff to compensate.
I could be totally wrong however, or the above statement could be true and NPCs still didn't reduce falloff anyway. I haven't done a proper Sansha mission in forever.
In any case that would be news to me and seems like something that should be fixed.
Nah, they don't and never have had an effect on falloff. When player TDs were changed, they didn't change the npc TDs.
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Astrogel
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Posted - 2011.02.27 14:24:00 -
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wow some serious great replys here. I havent had a chance to test the vargur I just bought but Im going to give it a shot soon. I didnt even think of of the td as far as not being an issue with the vargur. Honestly sometimes I avoid blockaid because it just gets annoying. Thank you all for the info.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.27 23:48:00 -
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I have to agree with the others.
If you have Minmatar BS 5, T2 large ACs AND fly Marauders, there¦s simply no sane reason to avoid flying a Vargur.
Sell the Paladin to buy one of them nice Gist X-large shield boosters for the Vargur.
I wish I had one.
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