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Tiger Would
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:38:00 -
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Why Goonswarm needs to go
First you will have to ask yourself, do you like EvE Online?
If you are hesitant to answer that is probably because you think that some behavior is crossing a line in regards to supposed maturity or getting the feeling the game is not run by the right people (not pointing at CCP here, on the contrary) Goonswarm has a reputation (true or not) of wanting to ruin games and have been stopped in their tracks a few times.
Some believe Goonswarm is just about arshattery. Well this is arguably true for some of the members (coming from somethingawfull.com). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXOHjQoq0Rs And some of you probably recognize this good lad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1sdTzj9iac&feature=related
But is this true today? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-2acttwPNc Also watch the entire alliance board presentation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE Now, how much better would EvE be if all players would be civil like the first 4 speakers? ThatGÇÖs another question, but letGÇÖs keep focusing on whether it is still true today that goonswarm is not out to destroy the game.
Logically, mittens got banned and actually got off easy IMO. He also GÇ£resignedGÇ¥ as CSM 6 Chairman and was not ineligible for CSM7 because of the ban. He then officially apologized only to state to seek revenge after receiving the ban. Burn Jita. This was dually obvious that it was revenge because after the Jita riots, also fueled by Goonswarm propaganda, it was agreed upon that it would be a onetime event. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbh2ct_B7DQ Did you know that this has cost quite a few people there job since CCP had to lay of 20% of their people!?
Not the only reason of course, but it didnGÇÖt help either and a much more professional approach should have been expected if goonswarm actually wanted to help to keep the game entertaining and solving the problem at that time.
Since than, the forums, and the most visited General Discussion in particular, started to see a flooding of created threads about how bad CCP is. How bad their service is, How bad the game is. How bad other players are. Not to mention the griefing is getting worse and worse.
And do not be fooled here. You might see a lot of those threads made by GÇ£non-goonswarmGÇ¥ characters. But they are Goonswarm characters (pets or otherwise), it is the way they roll. Now factor in that they recruit scam constantly. One guess for the main target? Yes, players who barely got their feet down in EvE. They also troll every fair question of people that just started playing in a way that makes EvE look like a pool of drug /alcohol abusing psychotic maniacs.
Now wonder why EvE has trouble retaining new players? Ever noticed how many threads like that come from worried fellow capsuleers?
Also, if you are a goonswarm tackler, please know that GÇ£tacklerGÇ¥ is just a polite term for meat shield. It is not fun for you, you are being used, and every resource you have gets depleted. Regardless of ship replacement program. You are a resource as well you know! You could have spent that time actually enjoying, exploring, looking into other gameplay features, built up some fat ISK wise and maybe create your own corp one day or even an alliance. This pretty much goes for 90% of you people in goonswarm.
Also, since goonswarm is losing the war now, they are already making plans how to maintain at least the CEO / officer accounts. This means you are about to get ripped off. It would not be the first time this happens. http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1262659 It is good to see that forces opposing goonswarm finally started to collaborate. Even if they canGÇÖt stand each other, they have set aside their difference for this one goal. Get rid of those who ruin the game for everyone and seem to be out to destroy CCP out of a weird sense of entitlement and revenge. I think there are a lot of gamers out there that are more entitled to get to experience EvE than this one group are entitled to ruin it.
Ide say: Kill a Goon a day will make your troubles go away.
They are not the ones writing the great stories,someone like Chribba is, John Rourk with Clear Skies etc. Those are the great stories. Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:40:00 -
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Alice Saki
3684
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:40:00 -
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2 Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused.
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Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
28
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:40:00 -
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Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1574
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:41:00 -
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Else
Since this thread clearly isn't heading anywhere good, is packed with trolling, off topic posting, personal attacks and ranting, I'm just going to lock it. In future, please post sensibly, thank you - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
We get this, and I am asserting a valid civil worded issue here. Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:43:00 -
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What war are the goons losing and by what metric are they losing it? |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:44:00 -
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All those reasons OP listed are reasons why it's good to have Goons in EVE, no?
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Cede Forster
EVE University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:44:00 -
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at first glance it looked like he was serious, then i noticed, he hid the "4" in plain sight
so 5 it is |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1576
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:45:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:What war are the goons losing and by what metric are they losing it?
Well that might actually be a mistake pointed out by dear ISD TYPE 40. Instead of removing the insults and cleaning that up, he just locked the civil approach of my post.
I will have to re investigate my conclusions accordingly. Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:46:00 -
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GAS THREAD, BAN OP **** |
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
404
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:48:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:What war are the goons losing and by what metric are they losing it? Well that might actually be a mistake pointed out by dear ISD TYPE 40. Instead of removing the insults and cleaning that up, he just locked the civil approach of my post. I will have to re investigate my conclusions accordingly.
What? That doesn't answer my question at all. |
Osabojo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:48:00 -
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You can't start a thread with a troll post and then complain when people are trolling it. Well, you can, and you did, but it's really not cricket. |
Jyuno Terkar
Stoned Faced Killers
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:49:00 -
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The beautiful thing about the sandbox is that you can kick over someone else's sandcastle. Don't like Goonswarm, go kick over their sandcastle. Rally the Corps and Alliances in game and see how much support you can truly gain. At the moment, it's just another thread in the forum.
Get some boots on the ground to rally the people if you feel strongly about getting rid of Goonswarm. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
861
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:50:00 -
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6? Why did you take my wings away? |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1576
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:50:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:What war are the goons losing and by what metric are they losing it? Well that might actually be a mistake pointed out by dear ISD TYPE 40. Instead of removing the insults and cleaning that up, he just locked the civil approach of my post. I will have to re investigate my conclusions accordingly. What? That doesn't answer my question at all.
It might be the case that moderation promotes crossing the line of being uncivil. Why not remove the insults.
Read the locked post, you will find no answer at all from my side being uncivil or attacking anyone personally. Its well with civil boundries......each response from my end anyway. Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
688
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:50:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:What war are the goons losing and by what metric are they losing it? Well that might actually be a mistake pointed out by dear ISD TYPE 40. Instead of removing the insults and cleaning that up, he just locked the civil approach of my post. I will have to re investigate my conclusions accordingly. What? That doesn't answer my question at all.
That was the point
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1576
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:53:00 -
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There really shooting the wrong messengers here.
Do not care to much, but it is disappointing.
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
404
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:53:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:What war are the goons losing and by what metric are they losing it? Well that might actually be a mistake pointed out by dear ISD TYPE 40. Instead of removing the insults and cleaning that up, he just locked the civil approach of my post. I will have to re investigate my conclusions accordingly. What? That doesn't answer my question at all. It might be the case that moderation promotes crossing the line of being uncivil. Why not remove the insults. Read the locked post, you will find no answer at all from my side being uncivil or attacking anyone personally. Its well with civil boundries......each response from my end anyway.
I'd actually just prefer if you posted your datapoints. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
862
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:56:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:There really shooting the wrong messengers here.
Do not care to much, but it is disappointing.
Well, I care enough to unsub actually.
I choose not to be part of uncivil behavior disguised as arshattery. I have given examples of what I think is well between boundries by providing links to older articles Enjoy WOW Why did you take my wings away? |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1584
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:58:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Tiger Would wrote:There really shooting the wrong messengers here.
Do not care to much, but it is disappointing.
Well, I care enough to unsub actually.
I choose not to be part of uncivil behavior disguised as arshattery. I have given examples of what I think is well between boundries by providing links to older articles Enjoy WOW
No thats the thing, I thought I found a better game.
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2478
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:59:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Tiger Would wrote:There really shooting the wrong messengers here.
Do not care to much, but it is disappointing.
Well, I care enough to unsub actually.
I choose not to be part of uncivil behavior disguised as arshattery. I have given examples of what I think is well between boundries by providing links to older articles Enjoy WOW No thats the thing, I thought I found a better game. In fairness, you ask people to "discuss sensibly" without drafting an OP sensibly.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
404
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:59:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Tiger Would wrote:There really shooting the wrong messengers here.
Do not care to much, but it is disappointing.
Well, I care enough to unsub actually.
I choose not to be part of uncivil behavior disguised as arshattery. I have given examples of what I think is well between boundries by providing links to older articles Enjoy WOW No thats the thing, I thought I found a better game.
You did. Please explain to me by what metric you are saying the goons are in the middle of losing a war. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
303
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:00:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:GAS THREAD, BAN OP **** Can't we just Gas OP?
err in game of course |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1584
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:00:00 -
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Accepting this, would hurt my brain, I am really to old to have to listen to uncivil alcohol and drugs abusing psychopaths
I am All for arshattery though. Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Ghazu
45
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:02:00 -
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jesus christ |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
404
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:02:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:Accepting this, would hurt my brain, I am really to old to have to listen to uncivil alcohol and drugs abusing psychopaths
I am All for arshattery though.
Well, that escalated quickly. OP, I just want to know by what metric you are saying the goons are losing a war. I would like you to post evidence. That is not trolling, that is having a discussion on an internet forum. |
Overseer Aliena
Lord of Wars
26
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:02:00 -
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So you create a post and load it to the brim with slander, factual fallacies, and outright lies, and expect people not to troll you? Then we have the whip cream of reposting a locked toic and discussing moderation, with your savage abuse of the English language as the cherry on top.
This is a rumor thread and thus should be locked and you banned.
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Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1584
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:03:00 -
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Overseer Aliena wrote:So you create a post and load it to the brim with slander, factual fallacies, and outright lies, and expect people not to troll you? Then we have the whip cream of reposting a locked toic and discussing moderation, with your savage abuse of the English language as the cherry on top.
This is a rumor thread and thus should be locked and you banned.
On the contrary!
The line I draw is at personal insults and becoming uncivilized Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:04:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:Why Goonswarm needs to go
Stopped reading there.
Goonie alt detected.
Another goonies thread detected.
Someone else posting in GD because they can't post in CAOD.
Blah blah blah... |
Overseer Aliena
Lord of Wars
26
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Posted - 2012.08.24 16:04:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:Overseer Aliena wrote:So you create a post and load it to the brim with slander, factual fallacies, and outright lies, and expect people not to troll you? Then we have the whip cream of reposting a locked toic and discussing moderation, with your savage abuse of the English language as the cherry on top.
This is a rumor thread and thus should be locked and you banned.
On the contrary! The line I draw is at personal insults and becoming uncivilized
Tiger Would wrote:Accepting this, would hurt my brain, I am really to old to have to listen to uncivil alcohol and drugs abusing psychopaths
You suck at drawing. |
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